The Judgement of Nations: Millennium Proof

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What does this mean? The passage indicates that the sheep (the righteous) inherit "eternal life" in "the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" at that time. Is the millennial kingdom an eternal kingdom? Not from your Premil perspective, right? So, how does your understanding line up with the passage itself indicating that they will be inheriting an eternal kingdom?
Yes and the nations (peoples) will stand before the Lord after Armagedón and when the Lord sits on HIs throne here on earth. there will be survivors both saved and unsaved from Armageddon when the Lord returns and He separates the peoples to sheep and goats. Teh sheep enter the millenial kingdom and the goats go to the place of torments awaiting the Lake of Fire.

The millenial kingdom is not an eternal kingdom but one that just 1,000 years It is described in many OT passages, Matt. 24-25 after Jesus returns and the length of it is given in REv. 20.

We all will inherit an eternal kingdom- that comes in Rev. 22
Also, where does scripture ever indicate that mortal people will be inheriting the kingdom of God? That contradicts what Paul wrote:

1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

So, how do you reconcile your understanding of mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns with Paul saying that mortal "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God"?
The millenial kingdom is not heaven that is why. Once the great white throne is accomplished all humans that ever lived will be immortal. The bible does not specifically say that the survivors of Armageddon that enter the millenial are made incorruptible then so I won't say either.
Well, why didn't you make that clear in the first place? You gave the impression that it is nations being judged. Ugh.
Well I did, just not in a way you could understand. I did say peoples and not land masses.
Where is there any indication of that, though? And what happens to the goats who do not inherit the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world?

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

What is the difference between what is described in Matthew 25:41 and what is described here:

Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Because these are simply the unsaved survivors of Armageddon when Jesus physically returns to set up His 1,000 year kingdom on earth. It is only a judgment of them.

Rev. 20 is all teh dead and living who are unsaved in the millenial kingdom who stand before the great white throne! This is the lost from all time.
 

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Yes and the nations (peoples) will stand before the Lord after Armagedón and when the Lord sits on HIs throne here on earth. there will be survivors both saved and unsaved from Armageddon when the Lord returns and He separates the peoples to sheep and goats. Teh sheep enter the millenial kingdom and the goats go to the place of torments awaiting the Lake of Fire.

The millenial kingdom is not an eternal kingdom but one that just 1,000 years It is described in many OT passages, Matt. 24-25 after Jesus returns and the length of it is given in REv. 20.

We all will inherit an eternal kingdom- that comes in Rev. 22
The kingdom being inherited when Jesus comes with His angels is eternal, as can be seen in Matthew 25:31-46 which indicates that those who inherit "the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matt 25:34) inherit "eternal life" (Matt 25:46) at that time. So, your understanding of the kingdom being inherited at that time as not being eternal contradicts what the text in Matthew 25:31-46 indicates.

The millenial kingdom is not heaven that is why. Once the great white throne is accomplished all humans that ever lived will be immortal. The bible does not specifically say that the survivors of Armageddon that enter the millenial are made incorruptible then so I won't say either.
I didn't say heaven, I said the kingdom of God. The supposed earthly millennial kingdom you believe in is not the kingdom of God? How can you think that Jesus would rule over any kingdom besides the kingdom of God? Where does scripture ever teach such a thing?

Because these are simply the unsaved survivors of Armageddon when Jesus physically returns to set up His 1,000 year kingdom on earth. It is only a judgment of them.

Rev. 20 is all teh dead and living who are unsaved in the millenial kingdom who stand before the great white throne! This is the lost from all time.
Unsaved survivors of Armageddon? Where are you getting that idea from?

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

This very clearly indicates that, of those who are on earth at this point, "all people, free and slave, great and small" will be destroyed. So, again, where are you getting the idea that any unsaved person will survive this?
 
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This is where you depart from Scripture.

For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Jesus and angels mingled with Abraham, and angels mingled in Sodom.

Angels mingle with men unawares.

Jesus mingled with disciples for 40 days.

The first resurrected mingle of thousand years, including the Lord.

This cannot be! Mortality cannot co-exist in an immortal world! Since nothing impure shall exist with immortality, there will be no more sin, or death there. The fact that our mortal body is destined to die means mortal bodies cannot co-exist where immortal, and incorruptible bodies do.

Mortal body -

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2349. θνητός thnetos (thnētós)

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θνητός thnētós, thnay-tos'

from G2348; liable to die:—mortal(-ity).

adjective


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2348. θνήσκω thnesko (thnḗskō)

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θνήσκω thnḗskō, thnay'-sko
a strengthened form of a simpler primary θάνω thánō than'-o (which is used for it only in certain tenses); to die (literally or figuratively):—be dead, die.

verb

Since we are clothed in mortal bodies of sin and death, we cannot obtain immortal and incorruptible bodies forever until the seventh angel sounds and time for this earth shall be no more. At the point when man of faith becomes immortal and incorruptible, mortal bodies will have either been changed to immortal and incorruptible, or they will have been cast into the lake of fire that is the second death. Because mortal bodies destined to sin and death shall not co-exist in the age to come with immortal and incorruptible bodies destined to live with Christ forever on the new earth. Not for one thousand years, but forever!

1 Corinthians 15:53-54 (KJV) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 
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This cannot be!
Whatever.

Mortality cannot co-exist in an immortal world!
Now you change the argument, as usual.

Immortal bodies have mingled with mortal men on earth, including Jesus after His resurrection.

Mortal men will mingle with God and the Lamb in New Jerusalem on the new earth. They will flow in lawfully thru the gates to eat of the healing leaves in the city.

Your declarations and prophecies really don't matter in the end.

Since nothing impure shall exist with immortality,
This is true. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but only the righteous resurrected from the dead with immortal bodies.

Different topic.



there will be no more sin, or death there.
There will be leaves for healing there.

The fact that our mortal body is destined to die means mortal bodies cannot co-exist where immortal, and incorruptible bodies do.
Not our own of course, but mortal men will exist forever on the new earth, some healed of leaves, and some not.

Mortal body -

Strong's Greek Dictionary
2349. θνητός thnetos (thnētós)

Search for G2349 in KJVSL; in KJV.

θνητός thnētós, thnay-tos'

from G2348; liable to die:—mortal(-ity).

adjective


Strong's Greek Dictionary
2348. θνήσκω thnesko (thnḗskō)

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θνήσκω thnḗskō, thnay'-sko
a strengthened form of a simpler primary θάνω thánō than'-o (which is used for it only in certain tenses); to die (literally or figuratively):—be dead, die.

verb

Since we are clothed in mortal bodies of sin and death,
Mortal flesh and blood is natural, not sinful nor righteous.

You are condemned if you sin with your body. God doesn't judge bodies and grass and dust. He only judges souls.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Because mortal bodies destined to sin
The only one destining your body to sin, is you by wilfully sinning with it.

Your soul pays the price for sinning, not your body. Natural bodies die naturally, because Christ makes them that way.

and death
The soul that sins dies apart from God.
 

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Now you change the argument, as usual.

Immortal bodies have mingled with mortal men on earth, including Jesus after His resurrection.

Mortal men will mingle with God and the Lamb in New Jerusalem on the new earth. They will flow in lawfully thru the gates to eat of the healing leaves in the city.

Your declarations and prophecies really don't matter in the end.

This too cannot be true.

There has never been immortal men upon this earth, co-existing with mortal man. The only immortal, physical man to ever walk upon this earth was Christ when resurrected from mortal physical death to immortal physical life.

Mortal bodies cannot co-exist with immortal bodies, and the only exception was the short time Christ was upon this earth clothed in immortal body of flesh after His resurrection.

Men/women of faith HAVE ETERNAL spiritual life through Christ NOW in this age, through His Spirit in us. Therefore our spirit as living soul, shall NEVER die. But men/women of faith will not become immortal bodies until the seventh (last) trumpet sounds and we are physically, bodily resurrected and changed.

Mortal, corruptible mankind shall NEVER inherit eternal life until/unless he/she is born again! They shall NEVER be immortal and incorruptible, only those who have eternal spiritual life through Christ before they die shall inherit the new earth with Christ forever!
 
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The only immortal, physical man to ever walk upon this earth was Christ when resurrected from mortal physical death to immortal physical life.

Coexisting for 40 days. Not impossible then.

Those that are to be in the likeness of His resurrection, will do so for a thousand years with Him.

Whether one day, 40 days, or a thousand years, it's all the same to the Lord.
Men/women of faith HAVE ETERNAL spiritual life through Christ NOW in this age, through His Spirit in us.

True. And if we abide in Him unto the end, then we will inherit everlasting life in the resurrection of the dead.
Therefore our spirit as living soul, shall NEVER die.
If we abide in Him. OSAS is false. None are ever justified by faith alone without works, and inheriting everlasting life is by reward only for godly living unto the end.

Mortal, corruptible mankind shall NEVER inherit eternal life until/unless he/she is born again!

Mortal flesh and blood shall never inherit the kingdom of God.
They shall NEVER be immortal and incorruptible, only those who have eternal spiritual life through Christ before they die shall inherit the new earth with Christ forever!
Have and continue to have unto the end. Yes.
 

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Coexisting for 40 days. Not impossible then.

Those that are to be in the likeness of His resurrection, will do so for a thousand years with Him.

Whether one day, 40 days, or a thousand years, it's all the same to the Lord.

Impossible again! Those in the likeness of His physical resurrection when the last trumpet sounds shall not be immortal and incorruptible as He is until the hour coming when all who are in the graves shall be resurrected either to life with Christ forever, or resurrected to damnation in the lake of fire which is the second death. When the faithful are physically resurrected as He is it will not be for one thousand years, but forever!
 

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Impossible again! Those in the likeness of His physical resurrection when the last trumpet sounds shall not be immortal and incorruptible as He is until the hour coming when all who are in the graves shall be resurrected either to life with Christ forever
A new one, thanks.

So, the plot thickens. Having part in the first resurrection, is only being partially resurrected.

Having part in Jesus' bodily resurrection, is having part of the body resurrected.

Which part of your body is now resurrected? I suspect it's as much a part of this spirit-only rule of years: no real part at all.


When the faithful are physically resurrected as He is it will not be for one thousand years, but forever!
The first bodily resurrection of the saints, is at His coming again to rule over the nations with Him for a thousand years.
 

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In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the same trump of the Lord descending to earth a second time.
So - will trumpets be banned during the Millennium?
It is wrong to think that 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is a Prophecy about when Jesus Returns. It refers to the end of the Millennium, to those of the dead who ae found worthy of immortality Proved by how it is only then that Death will be no more.
God will dwell with man in new Jerusalem, and the saved nations will flow unto it to be with God and the Lamb
You are a very confused person, mixing a prophecy about Eternity . in this thread about the Return of Jesus.
 

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A new one, thanks.

So, the plot thickens. Having part in the first resurrection, is only being partially resurrected.

Having part in Jesus' bodily resurrection, is having part of the body resurrected.

Which part of your body is now resurrected? I suspect it's as much a part of this spirit-only rule of years: no real part at all.

Your continual error comes through this manner of thinking.

The physical body of all who have died and gone to the graves shall not be resurrected until the last trumpet sounds an hour that is coming. Then every dead body of humankind shall be bodily resurrected either to resurrection of life, or damnation. There shall be no physical bodily resurrection and change to immortality & incorruption before the hour coming.

Believers have NOT a physical resurrection that shall be a first resurrection to physical life. Believers partake of the first resurrection THROUGH Christ. For it is He, whom we MUST partake of while alive (in TIME; a thousand years) to be part of HIS FIRST RESURRECTION, and overcome the second death. We partake of Christ's resurrection life when we are born again of the Spirit sent from Him before we physically die. Man must be born again of the Spirit in TIME John writes a thousand years. And when we have been born again, we, who were spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, have part in Christ's resurrection life spiritually, and have His promise that we shall never die.

Having His promise that death of our body cannot kill our living soul, we are assured that when the last trumpet sounds an hour that is coming, the mortal physical flesh of believers will become immortal & incorruptible, then reunited with our spirit (living soul) that returns with Christ. Then after all things of earth have been made new again, and there is no more sin or death believers shall be fit to live with Christ forever on the new earth. Then time shall be no longer! That means there will not be another one thousand years of more time given this earth.
 

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Having His promise that death of our body cannot kill our living soul, we are assured that when the last trumpet sounds an hour that is coming, the mortal physical flesh of believers will become immortal & incorruptible, then reunited with our spirit (living soul) that returns with Christ. Then after all things of earth have been made new again, and there is no more sin or death believers shall be fit to live with Christ forever on the new earth. Then time shall be no longer! That means there will not be another one thousand years of more time given this earth.
Another one who says; Itallhappenswhen Jesusreturns.
The Last Trumpet sound, has to be the final one, the call for all the dead to rise and stand before God in Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

What happens at the glorious Return, is the shout of the Archangel and the trump of God. 1 Thess 4:16
The mortal, physical world continues as it is now, but under the rule of King Jesus, safe and prosperous, until Satan is released for a short time, after a thousand years.
ONLY after the Book of Life is opened, does anyone receive immortality.
 

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A new one, thanks.

So, the plot thickens. Having part in the first resurrection, is only being partially resurrected.

Having part in Jesus' bodily resurrection, is having part of the body resurrected.

Which part of your body is now resurrected? I suspect it's as much a part of this spirit-only rule of years: no real part at all.



The first bodily resurrection of the saints, is at His coming again to rule over the nations with Him for a thousand years.

The reason you keep coming out with this nonsense is because you reject spiritual resurrection in the New Testament and reject your participation in the same. That is more of an indictment upon yourself than what the Bible teaches! Notwithstanding, your biggest enemy is the Word. It destroys your whole argument!

The only way that we can transition from death to life (both spiritually and physically) is by way of resurrection. There is no other way! This is demonstrated many times in Scripture in regard to both spiritual and physical resurrection.

Two resurrections result for the believer from Christ’s one resurrection. Man needs both spiritually redeemed and physically redeemed. When one gets saved they are spiritually redeemed. But they are not physically redeemed until resurrection day. His “first resurrection” secured both resurrections for those who will put their faith in Christ.

Romans 6:3-6 says, “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up [Gr. egeiro] from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection [Gr. anastasis]: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”

There are two Greek words used in Romans 6:3-10 that are used to describe the resurrection of Christ, and that are significantly in turn purposely equated to the believer and the new birth experience; they are egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and anastasis (Strong’s 386). Such a correlation between these two diverse types of resurrection (physical and spiritual) is only secured through Christ’s sinless life, atoning death and glorious resurrection, enabling the believer to walk in resurrection power and “newness of life.” The believer here is therefore supernaturally transferred from a condition of death into one of life. This undoubtedly relates (1) to a spiritual state, and, (2), to the here in now. It cannot relate to the physical resurrection which is still future and which occurs at the second coming of Christ.

The first word egeiro (Strong’s 1453) is used many times throughout the New Testament to describe the Lord’s physical resurrection. These references are found in Matthew 14:2, 16:21, 17:9, 23, 20:19, 26:32, 27:63, 64, 28:6, 7, Mark 14:28, 16:6, 14, Luke 1:69, 9:22, 24:6, 34, John 2:19, 20, 22, 21:14, Acts 3:15, 4:10, 5:30, 10:40, 13:30, 37, Romans 4:24, 25, 6:4, 9, 7:4, 8:11, 34, 10:9, 1 Corinthians 6:14, 15:4, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 2 Corinthians 4:14, 5:15, Galatians 1:1, Ephesians 1:20, Colossians 2:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and 1 Peter 1:21.

Similarly, the other Greek word anastasis (Strong’s 386), which is identified several times in Scripture with the new birth spiritual resurrection is also used several times to describe the Lord’s physical resurrection. It is derived from the root word anistemi (Strong’s 450). These are outlined in Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:34, 16:9, Luke 18:33, 24:7, 26, John 20:9, Acts 2:24, 31, 32, 3:26, 4:2, 33, 10:41, 13:33, 34, 17:3, 18, 26:23, Romans 15:12, Philippians 3:10 1 Thessalonians 4:14, 1 Peter 1:3, 3:21.

The same two Greek words that are repeatedly employed to describe Christ’s physical resurrection from the dead are also used in Ephesians 5:14 to describe the new birth experience of the believer. The sinner being commanded: Awake [Gr. egeiro] thou that sleepest, and arise [Gr. anastasis] from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light (Ephesians 5:14).

The resurrection portrayed here is again not a physical resurrection, but, a spiritual resurrection in which the recipient (the sinner) receives the joy of salvation. Through this spiritual resurrection, the believer receives the “light” of God and is therefore spared the awful sentence of eternal wrath. The verb “arise” in this text specifically relates to salvation and is a metaphor describing the spiritual resurrection that Christians undergo when they are lifted from the grave of sin. It also demonstrates the blessing that follows this resurrection. The true child of God receives the blessed light of God’s dear Son the Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke 2:34 also records, “Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again [Gr. anastasis or resurrecting] of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against.”

Matthew Henry explains in relation to this passage, “He (Jesus) is set for the rising again of many in Israel, that is, for the conversion of many to God that are dead and buried in sin, and for the consolation of many in God that are sunk and lost in sorrow and despair. Those whom he is set for the fall of may be the same with those whom he is set for the rising again of. He is set eis ptosin kai anastasin - for their fall, in order to their rising again; to humble and abase them, and bring them off from all confidence in themselves, that they may be exalted by relying on Christ; he wounds and then heals, Paul falls, and rises again”

The believer is raised from the grave of his sin and spiritual death at conversion, which of necessity must be a spiritual resurrection. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 1:8-10, “For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life: But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth [Gr. egeiro] the dead: Who delivered us (past tense) from so great a death, and doth deliver (present tense): in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us (future tense).”

This whole passage is concentrated upon the great eternal provision of spiritual deliverance. The word “raiseth” in this reading is a present active verb, therefore it is talking about a resurrection that is happening now, rather than the future physical resurrection. This is obviously speaking of spiritual resurrection, because it alone has been ongoing since Christ’s first (physical) resurrection. This will, of course, culminate with the general physical resurrection at His return.

The same word repeatedly applied to Christ’s physical resurrection in the New Testament – egeiro – is here again used spiritually to describe the spiritual resurrection of the believer from the reality of spiritual death. It shows a present realisation and victorious triumph over that state in this testimony of Paul. This reading does not at all indicate that the believer will not experience natural death, no, but rather, that he wouldn’t experience spiritual death. It positively outlines that through the spiritual (or first) resurrection the believer is rescued from entering into the awful realisation of the second death (eternal punishment).
 
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A new one, thanks.

So, the plot thickens. Having part in the first resurrection, is only being partially resurrected.

Having part in Jesus' bodily resurrection, is having part of the body resurrected.

Which part of your body is now resurrected? I suspect it's as much a part of this spirit-only rule of years: no real part at all.



The first bodily resurrection of the saints, is at His coming again to rule over the nations with Him for a thousand years.
Colossians 2:10-14 says, “ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ‘ye are risen with him’ [Gr. sunegeiro] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised [Gr. egeiro] him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened [Gr. suzoopoieo] together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

This explicit passage describes the act of salvation as a resurrection feat. Moreover, the raising of the forgiven child of God in resurrection power in salvation is in turn carefully identified with, and connected to, Christ’s glorious resurrection. It confirms that our hearts “are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” in salvation, and likens this supernatural work to a death, burial and resurrection. This reading shows how the child of God is “buried with him,” “quickened together with him,” and finally “risen with him.”

The wording relating to this spiritual resurrection – “ye are risen with him” – is translated from the Greek word sunegeiro (Strong’s 4891), which is derived from the coupling of two other Greek words sun (Strong’s 4862) – denoting union and togetherness, and egeiro (Strong’s 1453), which means to awaken or resurrect from the dead. This word egeiro is constantly used in the New Testament in reference to Christ’s physical resurrection.

Also, the word rendered “quickened” in the above passage is translated from the Greek word suzoopoieo (Strong’s 4806), which is derived from combining the words sun (Strong’s 4862) with zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227), meaning to make alive, give life and revitalize. Hence, we can see the deep meaning of this word in the aforementioned passage and the essential work that is perfected in the penitent sinner in regeneration.

Many new birth passages in Scripture are surrounded in resurrection terminology. Notwithstanding, they are not in any way referring to a physical resurrection, although, often, using the same type of language that accompanies literal ones. These references repeatedly describe spiritually dead men being spiritually made alive by being first spiritually quickened and then spiritually resurrected from the grave of their sin. This reading plainly outlines how the penitent sinner is raised with the exact same supernatural power that raised Christ at His resurrection, saying, “ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”

Colossians 3:1-4 goes on to add, If ‘ye then be risen with [Gr. sunegeiro] Christ (speaking in the present tense about those who have experienced spiritual resurrection in Christ), seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear (speaking of the second coming), then shall ye also appear with him in glory (referring to the physical resurrection which is future tense).”

There are two distinct resurrections outlined in this reading, the first being spiritual and the second being physical. The initial resurrection of necessity sees a spiritual change, whereas, the second resurrection of necessity requires a physical change. Interestingly, the Greek word sunegeiro is again used here to describe the spiritual resurrection of the penitent sinner through union with Christ. No one could surely dismiss the current reality of the resurrection outlined at the beginning of the above passage. Moreover, those that have experienced the aforementioned resurrection are then instructed to “seek” and “set their affection” upon “those things which are above” – spiritual actions that are to be performed in this scene of time. The key to experiencing the reality of this current resurrected life is found in the concluding part of the reading that our earthly life is “hid with Christ in God.”

Ephesians 2:1-6 also says, you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, ‘hath quickened us together’ [Gr. suzoopoieo] with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath ‘raised us up together’ [Gr. sunegeiro] and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.”

The same two Greek words found in Colossians 2:10-14 are also used in this reading to describe the spiritual resurrection. Again, the word rendered “quickened” here in Ephesians 2 is the Greek word suzoopoieo, which indicates a uniting to Christ in mystical union by means of being spiritually revitalized and made alive. The Greek word sunegeiro carries the meaning of union with Christ through resurrection. It is also in the aorist active demonstrating that it relates to the present. All sane theologians know that is not therefore not talking about physical resurrection.

The quickening of the spiritually dead life results in a consequential spiritual resurrection. Resurrection cannot plainly occur unless God in His providence reaches down in supernatural quickening power and imputes spiritual life into a spiritually dead man.
 

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A new one, thanks.

So, the plot thickens. Having part in the first resurrection, is only being partially resurrected.

Having part in Jesus' bodily resurrection, is having part of the body resurrected.

Which part of your body is now resurrected? I suspect it's as much a part of this spirit-only rule of years: no real part at all.



The first bodily resurrection of the saints, is at His coming again to rule over the nations with Him for a thousand years.
There is no greater example of a spiritual resurrection than that outlined in the vision of the valley of dry bones in the book of Ezekiel 37:13-14. There we learn, And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves (in a supernatural spiritual resurrection), And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.”

This familiar Old Testament passage is undoubtedly immersed in metaphorical language, and is undoubtedly speaking of a spiritual resurrection of the spiritually dead. God is speaking specifically of His elect – “the whole house of Israel” (v 11) and of a widespread move of revival power. For any person to be raised from a grave requires resurrection. In this case the people are physically alive, therefore it is plainly not speaking of a physical resurrection. Therefore, we can safely deduce that these persons that are held in the awful bondage of a spiritual grave are then ‘uwbha`ªlowt or ‘brought up’ or ‘raised up’ into newness of life by means of a supernatural resurrection.

Jesus taught in John 11:25, saying, “I am the resurrection [Gr. anastasis], and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."

Here we have the “first resurrection” mentioned (Christ’s glorious resurrection) that in turn results in a dual resurrection for the believer. To bring a believer from death to life as what we are seeing in this teaching of Christ is resurrection. The physical resurrection of Christ secured both spiritual and physical resurrection for the believer

Two resurrections result for the believer from Christ’s one resurrection. Man need spiritually redeemed and physically redeemed. When one gets saved they are spiritually redeemed. But they are not physically redeemed until resurrection day. His “first resurrection” secured both resurrections for those who will put their faith in Christ.

Jesus presents Himself as the absolute and only cure for the blight of physical and spiritual death. The eternal life He gives is therefore the complete antidote for “the second death” that Revelation 20 discusses.

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection secured two distinct, yet inextricably linked, resurrections for the believer, not one as the Premillennialists repeatedly assert; the first being a spiritual resurrection – the new birth; the second being a physical resurrection of the just. Significantly, there are many passages in Scripture, which support this biblical supposition. We must therefore keep this though very much in our mind as we examine the allegorical passage before us in Revelation 20:6.

Jesus said in John 5:24-29, referring to these two different, yet inextricably linked, resurrections, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live (speaking of our spiritual resurrection in Christ). For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life (speaking of the second or physical resurrection); and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

There are clearly two resurrections here:

(1) Spiritual
(2) Physical

The first highlighted part here is clearly referring to the first resurrection, the spiritual resurrection that comes through having our part in Christ (Revelation 20:6). The terminology “the hour is coming, and now is” is used here and in other places to simply indicate – ‘the time is now upon us’ although it would have an immediate reality for every passing generation. The first resurrection outlined here is a spiritual resurrection pertaining solely to the elect: “the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live,” it relates to the here-and-now. The second relates to all the dead (saved and unsaved), "the hour is coming, in the which ALL that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth." It relates to the all-consummating resurrection day. The physical resurrection is therefore not restricted to the elect alone but to “the dead.” It is they in total that hear Christ’s voice, being raised to two different destinations.

The wording of this passage is consistent with the spiritual terminology of many of the New Testament passages that describe the same resurrection that attends salvation. The gist of this passage is beyond dispute, and is in no real need of interpretation. God succinctly declares, “ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live.”
 
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Another one who says; Itallhappenswhen Jesusreturns.
The Last Trumpet sound, has to be the final one, the call for all the dead to rise and stand before God in Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

What happens at the glorious Return, is the shout of the Archangel and the trump of God. 1 Thess 4:16
The mortal, physical world continues as it is now, but under the rule of King Jesus, safe and prosperous, until Satan is released for a short time, after a thousand years.
ONLY after the Book of Life is opened, does anyone receive immortality.

Actually I believe it all begins when Jesus returns! What begins? The eternal age when this age of time shall be no longer! Then there shall be no more sin or death, for all things shall be made new, with immortal, incorruptible life with Christ forever on the new earth. What a glorious day that will be! Come, Lord Jesus, Come...Amen!
 
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The wording of this passage is consistent with the spiritual terminology of many of the New Testament passages that describe the same resurrection that attends salvation. The gist of this passage is beyond dispute, and is in no real need of interpretation. God succinctly declares, “ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live.”
Unfortunately, people reading this can think it means a physical raising of the physically dead.
But careful study of the Words and context proves the Prophecy of Ezekiel 37:1-14 refers to a Spiritual regeneration of peoples, who now have the good news of the Gospel of Jesus.
We Christians are the mighty company which have accepted Jesus and have received God's Spirit, but we still await the rest of verse 14, where we are settled into all of the holy Land.

Ezekiel 28:24-26 The Lord God says: When I gather the House of Israel from the nations among whom they are now scattered and I have been reverenced by them, as the nations will see, then they will live in their heritage, all of the Holy Land that I promised to My servant Jacob.
They will have security there, building houses and planting vineyards, yes, they will dwell in confidence and safety, when I have executed My judgements upon all their contemptuous neighbours. They will no longer have to fear any threats from ungodly peoples around them and they will know that I am the Lord their God
. KJV, CJB, REB.

This short prophecy encapsulates the truth of what every righteous Christian can expect for their future. Sadly, not many can see this future, because of beliefs in false teachings and inability to discern the prophesies correctly.

We know from New Testament teaching that Christian peoples now belong to the House of Israel, whether they are true descendants of Jacob or not. Galatians 3:26-29 But in order for God’s promises to the Patriarchs to be fulfilled, the majority, now ‘scattered among the nations’, WILL, in fact, be their descendants. Only God knows who they all are. Amos 9:9

All of the Lord’s righteous people will be gathered soon after ‘a Day of cloud and darkness’, Ezekiel 34:12 Ezekiel 20:34-38. That will be the many prophesied and well described ‘Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath’, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster of fire from the sun, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7, that will destroy His enemies, Isaiah 66:15-16 and enable God’s plan for His people to ‘display His glory for all the nations to see’, Ezekiel 39:27, to be fulfilled. Proving that all this will happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.

The people of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, having passed through the ‘great ordeal’ of the Day of wrath, Luke 21:35, Revelation 7:1-17, will select their own leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11, they will build a new Temple, Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9, they will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus, and after all that is prophesied before the Return takes place, it is them who say: ‘Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord’!
 

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The Book of Life will be opened at the Great White Throne Judgment.

Where the unsaved DO NOT RECEIVE IMMORTALITY. The opening of the book of life does not mean immortality is given to people. You have created that false concept.
 

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Where the unsaved DO NOT RECEIVE IMMORTALITY. The opening of the book of life does not mean immortality is given to people. You have created that false concept.
Of course not. Revelation 20:11-15 tells us the fate of the ungodly peoples.
But it will be only when God sits in Judgment and the Book of Life is opened, that anyone receives immortality.

A seriously 'wrong concept', is to think immortality is given to believers when Jesus Returns. We have the Promise of it, John 3:16, but people cannot become immortal until after the Millennium, for Eternity.