Adam and Eve Were Replacements for a Previous Couple Who Died

[Mr E]

After God created the First Adam on the Third Day, the next thing God made of course were plants, trees, etc...

Genesis 2:8
"And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."

Again...

Man was created first, then plants afterwards.

Now, at this point, the First Adam was all alone. No fish, birds or other animals existed. Poor First Adam. Not a problem...

Genesis 2:18
"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

Thus, God proceeded to make fish, birds and animals...

Genesis 2:19
"And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

We are now finally on the Sixth day.

Close, but not quite. The third day begins with the account just as recorded in Gen 1:11

Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Gen 2:5 tells us that God created each of these when He created the heavens and the earth (Day 1) --before putting them on the earth.

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

It's not that they had not already been formed or created. They just hadn't grown yet, because they hadn't been watered from above. But here on Day 3 God puts a man in the garden to till the soil. (the adamah).

God plants the seed, the man (His son) works the soil.... Day 3. God is spirit. His son is spirit. Spiritual sons. Spirit gives birth to spirit. Focus on the spiritual understanding. If you want to understand the physical-- look at what is happening on earth below.... the reflection. A tree, plants bearing seed, grass...... these are physical men.

 

[jeffweeder]

Hi @jeffweeder . I appreciate your perspective.

There is a glaring issue that none of the "experts" here on this forum have been able to resolve thus far. Perhaps you can.

Why were plants and animals created *after* Man in Genesis 2, contrary to Genesis 1?

That would contradict what God said in Gen 1. God doesnt contradict himself of course so your reading of it is wrong. It is just a recap rendering more specific details. God created things on specific days, and once all was made it all began to work properly. Things cannot grow until there is a sun etc. They may sprout in darkness but thats it.

There is one first Adam of flesh and the second one was Jesus from above.
If Adam and the first woman died completely when they ate then God would have no need to expel them from the garden to endure hard painful labor all the days of their lives. They would have died completely in the Garden.

What of your second flesh Adam and woman? why didnt they die completely when they sinned...why dont we?

One thing should be clear, and that is God rested from this created work. He didnt start again.
When God did come close to wiping out all flesh, he had Noah build and ark to save those chosen and the animals.


Gen 3
17 Then to Adam the Lord God said, “Because you have listened [attentively] to the voice of your wife, and have eaten [fruit] from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’;

The ground is [now] under a curse because of you;
In sorrow and toil you shall eat [the fruit] of it
All the days of your life.
God bless.

 

[QuantumBit]

Well when you claim you are about the only Christian who figured something out- that is arrogance!

Not at all. As an Engineer and Inventor, I am the first to figure something out almost on a daily basis. It is what I do for a living.

Besides that, my Testimony stands. I have yet to meet one person on the planet that does not alter the Word of God as you and everyone else does.

No you just used a concordance. that is primary look at the original languages.

Neither a concordance nor a knowledge of Hebrew, Greek, etc. is required to prove that the current teachings on display in this thread (and all over the world for that matter) are in serious contradiction with the rest of the Bible, as I have proven over and over.

The LITERAL reading does not contradict, yet everyone seems to think so. That is the point of this thread.

No I just looked up the verse you are writing about and the construct shows that in english, it would be rendered , in dying you will die.

Again, I already showed how 'dying you will die' is an extremely contradictory interpretation. It does not work for the rest of the Bible.

How about we take a look at what one of the Scholars has to say...

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
....in the day that … die] Literally, in the day that Adam ate of the fruit, he did not die. This is one of the minor inconsistencies in the story which are not explained for us. Either we are to assume that, in some fuller version of it, the Lord God was described as “repenting” of the sentence of immediate death, as changing His mind and sparing man in His mercy: or the words “in the day, &c.” are to be regarded as metaphorical, and the doom, “thou shalt surely die,” merely means “thou shalt become mortal.”

Genesis 2:17 Commentaries: but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

I trust you can comprehend the magnitude of what is being said in the above Commentary? It is not minor, that is for sure.

Nevertheless, there is an inconsistency. Do you understand? <-- Please answer so that I know you acknowledge it.

I refuse to be told how 'wrong' I am when this is a standard teaching at any Bible college.

So, what is their solution?

TO ASSUME!

Is that what everyone expects me to do? <-- Please answer the question.

We are to assume that "God changed his mind" even though it does not say that anywhere in the context? Are you kidding me? Either that, or we have to say that the verse is "not literal", in other words, we cannot believe what Genesis 2:17 says so we must ALTER IT to say "thou shalt become mortal" when it clearly does not say that? Unbelievable!

I am telling you and everyone here that I am NOT going to 'assume' anything. I have every right to believe what the verses teach EXACTLY how they are WITHOUT altering them. How dare you or anyone here tell me that I have to add and take away from the Word of God to make it say what you or someone else wants it to. That will never happen.

 

[QuantumBit]

That would contradict what God said in Gen 1. God doesnt contradict himself

Of course. That is the point I am making.

...of course so your reading of it is wrong.

No, your reading is wrong. I am merely pointing it out.

It is just a recap rendering more specific details.

Agreed.

God created things on specific days, and once all was made it all began to work properly.

Your comment above is why it is you that is reading Genesis wrong. You changed 'day' into 'six days'...

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day [six days] that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens"

You are in error.

There is one first Adam of flesh and the second one was Jesus from above.

Jesus is the Last Adam, not the Second Adam.

Both Adam and Eve were 'Adams'...

Genesis 5:2
"Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

If Adam and the first woman died completely when they ate then God would have no need to expel them from the garden to endure hard painful labor all the days of their lives. They would have died completely in the Garden.

What of your second flesh Adam and woman? why didnt they die completely when they sinned...why dont we?

I have addressed your comment throughout the thread.

The First Adam and Ishshah died *literally* on the Sixth Day. God recreated them as the Second Adam and Eve on the Sixth Day...

Genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

It was the Second Adam and Eve that were expelled. They died later of course.

The ground is [now] under a curse because of you;
In sorrow and toil you shall eat [the fruit] of it
All the days of your life.
God bless.

We exist in a 'fallen' state. It is like Waves vs. Particles. We exist in Particles now.

When God recreated Ishshah as Eve, God then gave Eve a womb. That is why she is called 'Mother of all Living'.

The First Adam and Ishshah did *not* have reproductive organs. That is why they tried to cover their private parts. They were not there before the Fall and they freaked out.

There was a major change of DNA that happened.

They were 'New Creatures'.

 

[QuantumBit]

Again, if your translations...

My translations? No.

I use the KJV primarily and I do not need to retranslate anything as the rest of you here have to.

Anyhow, the rest of your posts are the usual "I am right because I say so" rhetoric. You have proven nothing.

So, let us stay on target here. Answer honestly which of the following fits your interpretation of Genesis 2:17...

1) Figurative Death, Figurative Day
2) Figurative Death, Literal Day
3) Literal Death, Figurative Day
4) Literal Death, Literal Day

I choose number four. And you?

 

[Mr E]

And what does this say about the Tree of Life? That Adam and his Wife had to keep eating of it to stay alive?

Do not forget the fact that the Tree of Life is in the New Heavens and New Earth. What you are teaching is that the Glorified Body is no Glorified Body at all. It is still susceptible to aging and death if it does not continually eat from the Tree of Life.

Thus, Death is NOT swallowed up in victory. People still die in Heaven.

I do not agree with that.

 

[jeffweeder]

Your comment above is why it is you that is reading Genesis wrong. You changed 'day' into 'six days'...

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day [six days] that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens"

You are in error.

Gen 1 speaks of 6 days, so how can I be wrong?

Jesus is the Last Adam, not the Second Adam.

Both Adam and Eve were 'Adams'...

Genesis 5:2
"Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

I am referring to this...,


1Cor 15
45 So it is written [in Scripture], “The first man, Adam, became a living soul (an individual);” the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving spirit [restoring the dead to life]. 46 However, the spiritual [the immortal life] is not first, but the physical [the mortal life]; then the spiritual.

47 The first man [Adam] is from the earth, earthy [made of dust]; the second Man [Christ, the Lord] is from heaven. 48 As is the earthly man [the man of dust], so are those who are of earth; and as is the heavenly [Man], so are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthly [the man of dust], we will also bear the image of the heavenly [the Man of heaven].


The time now is for passing from death to life through the born again experience...while still in the flesh.


Jn 5
24 “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, the person who hears My word [the one who heeds My message], and believes and trusts in Him who sent Me, has (possesses now) eternal life [that is, eternal life actually begins—the believer is transformed], and does not come into judgment and condemnation, but has passed [over] from death into life.
25 I assure you and most solemnly say to you, a time is coming and is [here] now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear it will live.




This proves that the death Adam experienced in the garden was a Spiritual one. (The day you eat of it you will surely die.)

I have addressed your comment throughout the thread.

The First Adam and Ishshah died *literally* on the Sixth Day. God recreated them as the Second Adam and Eve on the Sixth Day...

Genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

It was the Second Adam and Eve that were expelled. They died later of course.

Gen 1 neither says or alludes to such a thing.
Why did the first Adam die? Why was the second expelled? Did they commit the same offense?

We exist in a 'fallen' state. It is like Waves vs. Particles. We exist in Particles now.

When God recreated Ishshah as Eve, God then gave Eve a womb. That is why she is called 'Mother of all Living'.

The First Adam and Ishshah did *not* have reproductive organs. That is why they tried to cover their private parts. They were not there before the Fall and they freaked out.

There was a major change of DNA that happened.

They were 'New Creatures'.

Bollocks...what private parts Lol

 

[Brakelite]

That is a shame you believe that. God taught one of the most profound lessons in all the Bible in Job...

Job 38:4
"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding."

Well, where was he? Are we to assume that the answer is that Job simply did not exist? Sadly, this is what most Christians conclude because the Official Church Narrative told everyone we did not exist before birth.

Ironically, God answered his own question here...

Job 38:7
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

*WE* were the Morning Stars that sang together! We pre-existed. You probably do not remember when we all hung out back then.

Bummer.

Stars are symbolic of Children in the Bible. Usually, they are symbolic of a Child that has not been conceived yet...

Numbers 24:17
"I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth."

Revelation 22:16
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

A 'Star' falling from Heaven is a Child that is about to be conceived *again*...

Revelation 9:1
"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit."

Such wonders of Scripture await those that can handle them.

Stars are symbolic of angels or men. Depends on context

 

[Brakelite]

You are getting to the Heart of the matter as to what happened to the First Adam and his Wife Ishshah after partaking of the Forbidden Fruit and passing away.

I know you will not agree, but I just want to make this information available for those who are wondering what happened next...

Genesis 3:7
"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."

Their 'eyes were opened' because they just experienced the Resurrection of Damnation. The entire story of Adam and Eve is a foreshadowing of the events in the Book of Revelation and what happens to those who are thrown into the Lake of Fire.

They 'pass through the fire' to another Life. Anyone who is honest with the text will realize that the Second Adam and Eve are now New Creatures. The verses that follow after Genesis 3:7 attest to that fact. Their DNA was changed. They were, in essence, reincarnated. Satan was reincarnated as well.

Thus, because God had made a New Creature, the Second Adam had to give her a name...

Genesis 3:20
"And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."

Those are the rules. Adam must name every New Creature...

Genesis 2:19
"And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

Adam did not name his Wife twice!

You are right. I don't agree with you. Your esoteric occult musings contradict the plain reading of God's word, and contribute nothing to the character development necessary for our fitness for heaven, nor to the understanding of the human condition as sinners.

 

[Brakelite]

That is a shame you believe that. God taught one of the most profound lessons in all the Bible in Job...

Job 38:4
"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding."

Well, where was he? Are we to assume that the answer is that Job simply did not exist? Sadly, this is what most Christians conclude because the Official Church Narrative told everyone we did not exist before birth.

Ironically, God answered his own question here...

Job 38:7
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

*WE* were the Morning Stars that sang together! We pre-existed. You probably do not remember when we all hung out back then.

Bummer.

Stars are symbolic of Children in the Bible. Usually, they are symbolic of a Child that has not been conceived yet...

Numbers 24:17
"I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth."

Revelation 22:16
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

A 'Star' falling from Heaven is a Child that is about to be conceived *again*...

Revelation 9:1
"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit."

Such wonders of Scripture await those that can handle them.

Yep, occult musings using scripture to support them are but a counterfeit to truth. Job was exactly nowhere at the time of creation. The question was to humble him and make him realize how little he knew. You could do with the same.

 

[Brakelite]

@Brakelite how can God kill or completely get rid something he gave to you and plans to raise again? That unique individual called “you”, your soul.

You are not able discredit what John writes either, about those outside of the heavenly kingdom.

Im not sure what quantum on about but he was the least of my concerns.

My concern was with what you said something about eventually souls are gotten rid of.

But if you believe the soul is destroyed, utterly as some say annihilated, I love you nonetheless. And disagree.


Also say to me, you believe that I believe a lie of Satan doesn’t sit right with me either. Can I not freely think for my own self without the devil’s influence?

You didn't answer my question. Where in scripture is there any hint or suggestion that eternal life is granted sinners? There is only one immortal Spirit, and that is God. The gift of eternal life is given repentant believers who are sanctified and converted by truth, the word of God. There are criteria for citizenship in heaven and on the new earth. Unrepentant sinners, those who do not know Jesus, are cast into the lake of fire, which covers the earth prior to the planet being made new. Eventually, the fire will go out when the last dinner ceases to be... Satan.
KJV Ezekiel 28:19
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

 

[MatthewG]

You didn't answer my question. Where in scripture is there any hint or suggestion that eternal life is granted sinners? There is only one immortal Spirit, and that is God. The gift of eternal life is given repentant believers who are sanctified and converted by truth, the word of God. There are criteria for citizenship in heaven and on the new earth. Unrepentant sinners, those who do not know Jesus, are cast into the lake of fire, which covers the earth prior to the planet being made new. Eventually, the fire will go out when the last dinner ceases to be... Satan.
KJV Ezekiel 28:19
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

I have no reason to answer you.

 

[Brakelite]

I have no reason to answer you.

You think? You think it better to believe God plans to immortalize sinners by giving them eternal life? You think it better maybe to believe that humans are naturally and innately immortal, that Satan was correct in his theological comment on the state of the dead, telling Eve she would never die, but on the contrary, be like God?

 

[MatthewG]

Yes Gods ways are better. Better than what man can come up with. His ways are heavenly compared to brutish man’s way. Would’nt you also say that is true?

But you don’t have to answer me truthfully if you don’t want too,@Brakelite.

It was God’s purpose to raise everyone again, so what’s the purpose and killing them after raising them again, just to put them back to death in the sense that they obliterated,?

Man = confusion.
God = not the author of confusion.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus speaks openly about the resurrection here in John chapter 5 will people be able to listen and hear what he has to say I don’t know.

“and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment. I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5‬:‭29‬-‭30‬ ‭NLT‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.5.29-30.NLT

He talks about his spiritual resurrection of condemnation, and he also talks about those who have done right.M, faithful in Christ doing good.

John the beloved expresses a mention of those inside, and those outside of the kingdom. Nobody can argue with me, and nobody can argue with him about it being true.

“Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life. Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭NLT‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/116/rev.22.14-15.NLT

 

[MatthewG]

So people who talk about the soul dying the right, the soul does dye it dies by the influence of the mind of the will, or of the emotion of an individual.

Darkness is what kills the soul, and the soul naturally starts off, spiritually dead, until it becomes, spiritually, fed and spiritually born again in Christ towards the heavenly things.

A place where second death occurs, known as the lake of fire has been overcome, but still in place where people will go into and be purged from the darkness that they wants we’re all about perhaps coming to the light and learning who Jesus is, and are able to kneeling down confess allowing God to get what he wants none to perish.


But it’s all speculation I found in the Bible to consider what is true it’s up to you and it’s between you and God what is true and I don’t know what your heart is, or speculation it makes for you and your own mind and soul.

 

[QuantumBit]

Gen 1 speaks of 6 days, so how can I be wrong?

This is why verses need to be addressed individually, one at a time. If one does this, they will (except for me) find contradictions with their interpretations.

The issue that must be resolved is that the order of creation differs between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Again, this is well documented...

Genesis 1 Order of Creation:

1. Plants Created
2. Whales and Winged Foul
3. Animals
4. Man

Genesis 2 Order of Creation:

1. Man
2. Plants
3. Animals
4. Woman

Christians have various ways of interpreting the verses in Genesis 2 to try and make it match Genesis 1.

How do you resolve the issue?

47 The first man [Adam] is from the earth, earthy [made of dust]; the second Man [Christ, the Lord] is from heaven.

Semantics.

The 'Second Man' is referring to the second person that is being mentioned in verse 45.

To paraphrase...

1 Corinthians 15:47
"The [first person that I am referring to] is of the earth, earthy: the [second person that I am referring to] is the Lord from heaven."

Jesus is the 'First and Last' not the 'First and Second'...

Revelation 22:13
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

This proves that the death Adam experienced in the garden was a Spiritual one. (The day you eat of it you will surely die.)

Now we are getting somewhere. You added the word 'Spiritual' to Genesis 2:17...

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Unfortunately, by doing so you have contradicted the rest of the verses that use the phrase 'surely die'...

Example 1:
Genesis 20:7
"Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die [spiritually die], thou, and all that are thine."

Example 2:
Judges 13:22
"And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die [spiritually die], because we have seen God."

Example 3:
1 Samuel 22:16
"And the king said, Thou shalt surely die [spiritually die], Ahimelech, thou, and all thy father’s house."

Example 4:
2 Samuel 12:5
"And David’s anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die [spiritually die]"

Example 5:
1 Kings 2:37
"For it shall be, that on the day thou goest out, and passest over the brook Kidron, thou shalt know for certain that thou shalt surely die [spiritually die]: thy blood shall be upon thine own head."

Etc. Etc.

It should be obvious that a literal death is what the rest of the verses intend. Moreover, there is an allusion to being disobedient to God and therefore that person will face the Second Death.

If everyone is already 'spiritually dead' then how can the above verses even work?

I do not believe in contradictions; therefore, I must reject altering Genesis 2:17 to add the word 'spiritual' there.

Why did the first Adam die?

He partook of the Forbidden Fruit and died on that very day, just as God warned. No contradictions here.

Why was the second expelled?

After God recreated the First Adam, the Second Adam had to be expelled. Not only as punishment, but because he now has reproductive organs (Beast Genetics) and cannot partake of the Tree of Life.

Please understand that that partaking of the Forbidden Fruit is symbolic of being cast into the Lake of Fire to be recreated as a New Creature. It is the same Spirit being placed in a new Body. Other religions would call it 'Reincarnation'.

The 'Wine of the Wrath of God' is the Forbidden Fruit...

Revelation 14:10
"The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:"

The Forbidden Fruit is the Zygote from which we partook to incarnate into our Mother's belly. The First Adam chose to incarnate into the corrupt Body we have now. That is what the story is teaching.

Mystery Babylon holds the Forbidden Fruit Zygote in which the Unsaved will partake once again (as we all did before)...

Jeremiah 51:7
"Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD’S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad."

'All the Earth' means just that. Everyone partook. The phrase 'come out of her' means we need to get out of the 'recycle bin'. Mystery Babylon's Ovum is the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Satan fertilized it. We have Beast Genetics, literally.

Had the First Adam partook of the Tree of Life first, he would have received his Glorified Body right then and there. The First Adam chose to incarnate into the Body we have now. He chose the Golden Cup of the Harlot.

The Tree of Life was not some sort of 'sustenance' that kept Adam and Eve alive. The Tree of Life is a one-shot deal that permanently alters and 'upgrades' the DNA of the One partaking. The Fruit of the Tree of Life are the Ovum of the Heavenly Mother...

Galatians 4:26
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."

Bollocks...what private parts Lol

There is a major contradiction with Revelation and the rest of the Bible if we are to assume that Adam and Eve were having sex, making babies, and partaking of the Tree of Life. Christians should know better than to assume such blasphemy, but they do not.

Most folks here should know that there is no sex, marriage, making babies, etc. in the New Heavens and New Earth where the Tree of Life is.

The Saved are as the Angels. They will not have reproductive organs. Thus, the First Adam and his wife Ishshah were more like the Angels and did not procreate as the Beasts do. Procreation was a gift God gave to the animals so that they could 'multiply' on their own.

The First Adam and Ishshah were to make Humans by 'tilling the ground' which is euphemism for Genetic Engineering and Cloning.

Creating Life from the 'Dust of the Ground' and from 'Ribs' is what we would call Genetic Engineering and Cloning. It is a huge responsibility to have that gift. They were to be given the gift of creation as God has. They had to be tested first. They failed and here we are.

 

[QuantumBit]

You are right. I don't agree with you. Your esoteric occult musings contradict the plain reading of God's word, and contribute nothing to the character development necessary for our fitness for heaven, nor to the understanding of the human condition as sinners.

I could literally say the same thing about you. Watch...

"Dear Brakelite. I don't agree with you. Your esoteric occult musings contradict the plain reading of God's word, and contribute nothing to the character development necessary for our fitness for heaven, nor to the understanding of the human condition as sinners."

See how that sounds? You have taught nothing except how to waste time sounding superior and condescending. You have proven nothing.

By the way...

I really do feel the same way about you and most others here. What Christians tell people about Genesis is pure blasphemy.

 

[QuantumBit]

You didn't answer my question. Where in scripture is there any hint or suggestion that eternal life is granted sinners?

If you bothered to consider what I wrote in the OP and proceeding posts, you would know the answer.

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Unrepentant sinners, those who do not know Jesus, are cast into the lake of fire, which covers the earth prior to the planet being made new. Eventually, the fire will go out when the last dinner ceases to be... Satan.
KJV Ezekiel 28:19
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

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'Tophet' (Lake of Fire) is the Goddess 'Vesta'. She is the Moment of Conception.

The word 'Tophet' is synonymous with the Lake of Fire. But where did the word Tophet come from? Why is that another name for the Lake of Fire? Let us examine these verses… Isaiah 30:33 (KJV) “For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the...

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The Lake of Fire is simply the Portal back to the Heavens and Earth we exist in now. They get another chance. That is the Good News of the Bible. You preach the Bad News. There is nothing you can refute about that. Let go of your hatred for your Brothers and Sisters that are not Saved yet @Brakelite . Repent. God is Love, not Hate.

 

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The Lake of Fire is simply the Portal back to the Heavens and Earth we exist in now.