Adam and Eve Were Replacements for a Previous Couple Who Died

[MatthewG]

That’s not what John indicates in revelation 21-22, @Brakelite. He talks about people being outside of the kingdom. I don’t understand why people tend to believe that unbelievers are just going to be duped and done away with.

Makes me wonder if God did truly love the world or not.

 

[Brakelite]

That’s not what John indicates in revelation 21-22, @Brakelite. He talks about people being outside of the kingdom. I don’t understand why people tend to believe that unbelievers are just going to be duped and done away with.

Makes me wonder if God did truly love the world or not.

So you believe God immortalizes sin and those who partake in it? Where in scripture does it ever suggest that God grants sinners the gift of eternal life?

 

[Brakelite]

That’s not what John indicates in revelation 21-22, @Brakelite. He talks about people being outside of the kingdom. I don’t understand why people tend to believe that unbelievers are just going to be duped and done away with.

Makes me wonder if God did truly love the world or not.

You are believing the lie of Satan, "ye shall not surely die", which I think is what quantum has been getting at.

 

[Patrick1966]

So you believe God immortalizes sin and those who partake in it? Where in scripture does it ever suggest that God grants sinners the gift of eternal life?

Doesn't 1 Timothy 4:10 say that Jesus is the savior of ALL people?

 

[QuantumBit]

The wicked who are now dead, and those who did at the second coming, take part in the second resurrection, the resurrection of damnation. After the pronouncement is guilty at their judgement, they are all cast into the lake of fire where they are eventually destroyed. There will be no resurrection from that. That death is permanent.

You are getting to the Heart of the matter as to what happened to the First Adam and his Wife Ishshah after partaking of the Forbidden Fruit and passing away.

I know you will not agree, but I just want to make this information available for those who are wondering what happened next...

Genesis 3:7
"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."

Their 'eyes were opened' because they just experienced the Resurrection of Damnation. The entire story of Adam and Eve is a foreshadowing of the events in the Book of Revelation and what happens to those who are thrown into the Lake of Fire.

They 'pass through the fire' to another Life. Anyone who is honest with the text will realize that the Second Adam and Eve are now New Creatures. The verses that follow after Genesis 3:7 attest to that fact. Their DNA was changed. They were, in essence, reincarnated. Satan was reincarnated as well.

Thus, because God had made a New Creature, the Second Adam had to give her a name...

Genesis 3:20
"And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."

Those are the rules. Adam must name every New Creature...

Genesis 2:19
"And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

Adam did not name his Wife twice!

 

[QuantumBit]

We are not immortal, not our spirit or soul lives on as a separate living entity after death.

That is a shame you believe that. God taught one of the most profound lessons in all the Bible in Job...

Job 38:4
"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding."

Well, where was he? Are we to assume that the answer is that Job simply did not exist? Sadly, this is what most Christians conclude because the Official Church Narrative told everyone we did not exist before birth.

Ironically, God answered his own question here...

Job 38:7
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

*WE* were the Morning Stars that sang together! We pre-existed. You probably do not remember when we all hung out back then.

Bummer.

Stars are symbolic of Children in the Bible. Usually, they are symbolic of a Child that has not been conceived yet...

Numbers 24:17
"I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth."

Revelation 22:16
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

A 'Star' falling from Heaven is a Child that is about to be conceived *again*...

Revelation 9:1
"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit."

Such wonders of Scripture await those that can handle them.

 

[QuantumBit]

The entire story of Adam and Eve is a foreshadowing of the events in the Book of Revelation and what happens to those who are thrown into the Lake of Fire. They 'pass through the fire' to another Life.

What I am about to present will go over most people's heads. I am casting Pearls here...

The Cherubim and Flaming Sword are a foreshadowing of the Most Holy Place of the Tabernacle Zygote. They are representative of the Ark of the Covenant...

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The Ark of the Covenant is representative of the Nucleolus of a Woman's Egg Cell at the Moment of Conception...

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Those that 'pass though the fire' go through it to become conceived in the Most Holy Place of a new Tabernacle Body.

The story of Adam and Eve is a picture of how that process works. That is why the story is a story of God's LOVE, not 'infinite suffering' or 'annihilation'.

The First Adam and Ishshah died, were resurrected, and were 'clothed' with the Bodies we have now...

Job 10:11
"Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews."

God did not 'kill and animal'. God literally made them new Bodies of corruption because that is what the Forbidden Fruit was all about.

 

[QuantumBit]

You are believing the lie of Satan, "ye shall not surely die", which I think is what quantum has been getting at.

Funny...

As I type this your post count is 7777...



I do not believe in coincidences.

Seven is symbolic of Nitrogen in the Bible. Nitrogen is what Nucleobases (the Word of God) are made of. It is the Stone with Seven Eyes...

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Everyone on the planet is given two choices...

• Born Again of Corruptible Flesh
• Born Again of Incorruptible Flesh

It is just that simple.

The Fine Print of course is that Judgment Day will determine the 'sowing' that will have to be paid back from all the 'reaping'.

The 'Shmita' is all about the Nitrogen Cycle. It is about returning to Dust, becoming 'fertilizer', only to grow back again.

The Bible is a Book of Cycles.

 

[QuantumBit]

By the way...

There are plenty of folks out there that believe God created a Man on the Third Day.

Here is one example...

Although I do not agree with the final conclusion (two separate races of Humans) it demonstrates that this is not a novel idea.

 

[MatthewG]

@Brakelite how can God kill or completely get rid something he gave to you and plans to raise again? That unique individual called “you”, your soul.

You are not able discredit what John writes either, about those outside of the heavenly kingdom.

Im not sure what quantum on about but he was the least of my concerns.

My concern was with what you said something about eventually souls are gotten rid of.

But if you believe the soul is destroyed, utterly as some say annihilated, I love you nonetheless. And disagree.


Also say to me, you believe that I believe a lie of Satan doesn’t sit right with me either. Can I not freely think for my own self without the devil’s influence?

 

[jeffweeder]

On the sixth day God created Man (Awdawm) and made them male and female. This is the first Man.

Concordance for Man v27 =

120. אָדָם 'adam aw-dawm'​

from 0119; ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.):--X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, × low, man (mean, of low degree), person.

Gen 2
He placed Adam ,male part of Awdawm in the Garden and goes into more detail of the creation of the female part of Awdawm.
Remember this occured on the sixth day not the third.
The reason no trees were bearing fruit on the third day was because there was no sun yet and no rain had fallen to spout all those seeds created on the third day.


Read very slowly and carefully what he expected of these two....and what they both were to enjoy.

Gen 1
27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them.

28 And God blessed them [granting them certain authority] and said to them, “Be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth, and subjugate it [putting it under your power]; and rule over (dominate) the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and every living thing that moves upon the earth.”

29 So God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of the entire earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to all the animals on the earth and to every bird of the air and to everything that moves on the ground—to everything in which there is the breath of life—I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so [because He commanded it]. 31 God saw everything that He had made, and behold, it was very good and He validated it completely. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.




God then rested from his work of creation....which means he didnt recreate anything.

Gen 2 = recap of the original creation with added details.

2 So the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts (inhabitants). 2 And by the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested (ceased) on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it [as His own, that is, set it apart as holy from other days], because in it He rested from all His work which He had created and done.

4 This is the history of [the origin of] the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day [that is, days of creation] that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens— 5 no shrub or plant of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground, 6 but a mist (fog, dew, vapor) used to rise from the land and water the entire surface of the ground— 7 then the Lord God formed [that is, created the body of] man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being [an individual complete in body and spirit]. 8 And the Lord God planted a garden (oasis) in the east, in Eden (delight, land of happiness); and He put the man whom He had formed (created) there. 9 And [in that garden] the Lord God caused to grow from the ground every tree that is desirable and pleasing to the sight and good (suitable, pleasant) for food; the tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the [experiential] knowledge (recognition) of [the difference between] good and evil.

10 Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four [branching] rivers. 11 The first [river] is named Pishon; it flows around the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 The gold of that land is good; bdellium (a fragrant, valuable resin) and the onyx stone are found there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the entire land of Cush [in Mesopotamia]. 14 The third river is named Hiddekel (Tigris); it flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15 So the Lord God took the man [He had made] and settled him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may freely (unconditionally) eat [the fruit] from every tree of the garden; 17 but [only] from the tree of the knowledge (recognition) of good and evil you shall not eat, otherwise on the day that you eat from it, you shall most certainly die [because of your disobedience].”

18 Now the Lord God said, “It is not good (beneficial) for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper [one who balances him—a counterpart who is] suitable and complementary for him.” 19 So the Lord God formed out of the ground every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 And the man gave names to all the livestock, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field; but for Adam there was not found a helper [that was] suitable (a companion) for him. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam; and while he slept, He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 And the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man He made (fashioned, formed) into a woman, and He brought her and presented her to the man. 23 Then Adam said,

“This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. 25 And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed or embarrassed.

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20 The man named his wife Eve (life spring, life giver), because she was the mother of all the living.

 

[QuantumBit]

Gen 2 = recap of the original creation with added details.

Hi @jeffweeder . I appreciate your perspective.

There is a glaring issue that none of the "experts" here on this forum have been able to resolve thus far. Perhaps you can.

Why were plants and animals created *after* Man in Genesis 2, contrary to Genesis 1?

 

[Mr E]

The Genesis Creation Account comes to us in two parts...

• Genesis 1
• Genesis 2

Genesis 1 gives an overall view of the events that occurred. Genesis 2 adds more details. There is an issue, however.

There are those that claim that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict each other. Why? Because of the changes and alterations mentioned previously. Fortunately, there are no contradictions if we simply believe what the verses teach. Observe...

Genesis 1:9-10
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."

The above verse describes the creation of Earth.

Thus, Earth was created on the Third Day.

What else happened? To answer that we need to go to Genesis 2 for the 'fine print'...

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens"

As we can see in the above verse, Genesis 2:4 begins on the Third Day. That was the *day* that God made Earth. Everything is now ready for God to create the first form of Life.

To further illustrate that we are on the Third Day, we have another Witness...

Genesis 2:5 (New Living Translation)
"Neither wild plants nor grains were growing on the earth. For the LORD God had not yet sent rain to water the earth, and there were no people to cultivate the soil."

Perfect. Nothing was growing and no Life existed. So, what happened next? What was the first form of Life that God created on Day 3?

Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

And there we have it. Man was the first form of Life, created on the Third Day. There should be no doubt whatsoever now.

Any questions?

I like your observations here! If you can't see it as a spiritual story first and foremost, then the weirdness of the physical personification of that story will always remain weird and beyond understanding. But it isn't beyond understanding. It's simply understood in ways that perhaps not been fully considered. If you can grasp onto the concept of the family tree, you approach the path that will lead you to understanding what began in the garden of God by His doing, His creative energy, His work... He planted a tree of Life. -to produce good fruit.

On the Third Day

The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a third day.

This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven. Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground. Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

First the man..... then the garden. From the ground, the tree. In the story, the man is the tree that produces the fruit that is good.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Insults are not appreciated or welcome. Please refrain from using them. Thanks.

Well when you claim you are about the only Christian who figured something out- that is arrogance!

I have. Please see my post #30 above.

No you just used a concordance. that is primary look at the original languages.

This fits with all of the other uses of 'surely die'. It means to be Twice Dead.

Now go look up the verbs and see what they have to say about the passage.

I trust you applied your 'Hebrew Construct' techniques to all twenty-two verses to make sure they all work?

I did and discovered that they in fact do not work. See my post #30 above.

No I just looked up the verse you are writing about and the construct shows that in english, it would be rendered , in dying you will die.

 

[ScottA]

Adam and Eve Were Replacements for a Previous Couple Who Died​

Christians are generally 'told' that Adam and Eve were the first Humans, however a careful study of the Book of Genesis reveals that this is incorrect. Adam and Eve were NOT the first Humans. But how can this be? People all over the world have been reading the Bible for centuries. How is it possible that so many got it wrong? The answer is simple.

Christians are TOLD to change certain words in Genesis to make said words fit a false narrative. And since most Christians never bother to double check what they are told, the false narrative has continued.

So, what are the words that are changed and what is the narrative? That is what this thread will reveal. We will begin with a verse that many are familiar with…

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

The two words that are changed are either ‘day’ or ‘surely die’. Depending on the false narrative, the word ‘day’ becomes ‘a thousand years’, or the phrase ‘surely die’ becomes 'spiritually die’ and sometimes 'begin to die'...

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Shockingly, most Christians have absolutely no problem with this whatsoever. This is ironic because altering the Word of God is a serious offense…

Revelation 22:18-19
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

As far as I know, I am the only Christian on the planet that does not add or take away from Genesis 2:17. I simply believe what the verse says. And, because of this, I have been richly blessed with the correct understanding of how Man was created. What is this understanding?

God originally created a Man and a Woman *before* Adam and Eve. This original Man and Woman *died* after partaking the Forbidden Fruit, just as God warned. Not only did it happen in less than twenty-four hours, but it was also a real physical death. As a result, God had to recreate them. The new couple are what we now know as Adam and Eve.

So, tell me... Which alteration to the Word of God do you believe and teach?

1. Day = 'One Thousand Years'
2. Surely Die = 'Spiritual Death'
3. Surely Die = 'Begin to Die'

And... is there anyone here who has not added or taken away from Genesis 2:17? I would like to hear from you.

There is one more verse that is altered to complete the false narrative. More on this later.

Another verse that Christians have absolutely no problem altering to match the 'Official Narrative' is Genesis 2:4...

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens"

Once again, the word 'day' is changed. Popular choices include...

• 'Back in the day'
• 'Six days'
• 'Eons of time'

Note that the word 'day' supposedly means 'one thousand years' in Genesis 2:17, but now it means something different. Talk about moving the goal post!

Is this the proper, responsible way of handling the Word of God? If the answer is yes, then why is it OK to change words to make a verse say something it does not? Where is this taught in Scripture?

Many (including yourself) have indeed added to the scriptures according to their own understanding. In your case, you have simply done the same by your own understanding to develop your own doctrine according to your own rationale.

However, it is not that "day" means "a thousand years", but that they both mean "time" or "times" which is a created illusion for the revelation of God and the man of sin (--which is every man).

 

[ScottA]

Hi Helen. Thank you for posting.

So which words do you alter in the verses provided to make it say what you want?

If I may...

It doesn't matter, that's not how things work. There are no literary errors by any translation, for-- the words are not literary, but spirit.

 

[ScottA]

Now we know why Jesus rose on the Third Day...

1 Corinthians 15:4
"And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"

The First Adam rose on the Third Day. Jesus is the Last Adam, and he also rose on the Third Day.

1 Corinthians 15:45
"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

Notice that there was a 'First Adam'. This means that there were more than one.

Which Adam did God create on the Sixth Day? Was it the First Adam or the Second Adam?

After God created the First Adam on the Third Day, the next thing God made of course were plants, trees, etc...

Genesis 2:8
"And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."

Again...

Man was created first, then plants afterwards.

Now, at this point, the First Adam was all alone. No fish, birds or other animals existed. Poor First Adam. Not a problem...

Genesis 2:18
"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

Thus, God proceeded to make fish, birds and animals...

Genesis 2:19
"And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

We are now finally on the Sixth day.

And here (above) is your own point of error. But it is good, because you make a good point to understand-- not in the way you have understood it, but in truth. All truth.

That point is the point of the third day creation of mankind, after which no food is created or offered until the sixth day. So, no, there are not two different creations of mankind (or any other Adam's created each following day of creation)--that's not what it says. It simply indicates that mankind went hungry until the sixth day.

But, yes, Jesus too rose the third day...while He and the Father work until the sixth day. Are you following me?

Who then is food from heaven, and when did He come...and when shall it have come down to all including the gentiles--when shall He have finished His work?

 

[ScottA]

So, what happened to the First Adam and his Wife Ishshah?

They died of course!

Remember?

Genesis 3:6
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

Did God lie? Of course not! So why do all of you here teach that he did?

God said to the First Adam that he would 'surely die' on that very day. And do you know what? That is precisely what happened!

Their dead bodies are now lying on the ground. They have returned to the Dust from which they came.

You have not discovered a new woman who died, after which Eve took her place. But you apparently do not know just what it is that you have discovered. But do not be offended.

Even so, you have indeed discovered a truth that has not been known to mankind since the beginning.

Again, if your translations did not mean what you have believed, but what I told you-- What have you actually discovered? I have told you already.

 

[ScottA]

Doesn't 1 Timothy 4:10 say that Jesus is the savior of ALL people?

No, the rest of scripture shows that to have only been rather a statement of potential and what has been made available to all.

By the same reasoning, the statement "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", does not likewise include Christ.

 

[Keturah]

2 TIMOTHY 3. KJV

5 Having a FORM of godliness, but DENYING the power thereof: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY.
6 For of THIS SORT are they which creep into houses, and LEAD CAPTIVE silly women ( & men....interjected ) laden with sins, led away with divers lusts
7. Ever learning, and NEVER able to come to the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do THESE also RESIST THE TRUTH: men of corrupt minds, REPROBATE CONCERNING THE FAITH.