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If a person is born again, can they and do they still sin?. Yes or No.


When a person is born again.... they become "A new Creation in Christ"., "one with God"...."made righteous".

Sin...... is not a part of this Spiritual union with God, because "God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"... which dealt with all sin, for all time.

He, Christ on the Cross has our sin, 2000 yrs ago..... and the born are become, for eternity....= "the Righteousness of God, in Christ".

Unbelievers, still "under the law" still have their sin..........while the Born again, are "not under the law but under Grace" and are "made righteous"....forever.

What you are not understanding, Ronald, is that your mind and your body , is not the Son/Daughter of God, born again.
So, you still only see yourself as.....>your thinking, and did you control it right now, and 10 minutes from now, as who you are, vs being born again, as a "New Creation". "in Christ".

However, God does not see your thinking or your body as the "Son/Daughter of God".... =BORN AGAIN.
God only sees the BORN AGAIN = as a "New Creation in Christ", that is "seated in heavenly places", """ in Christ"""

So, your issue is not sin. (if you are truly born again).
Its an inability to understand that God only sees you (if you are born again) as "made righteous", "one With God".
You do not see yourself "in Christ" as God has caused all the born again to become.
You can pretend you do, but you dont, yet.
YOU instead see yourself as a sinner, and that is the opposite of "in Christ".
God sees the born again, only as a "new Creation in Christ"..

You have to renew your mind, Ronald.... so that you only SEE YOURSELF exactly and always as God has recreated you to be SPIRITUALLY, as born again, "in Christ"... "Made Righteous"..
 

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Sorcery.?

Not today, but if you're nice, i might do a card trick.

Also, Where is the quote by me that you are upside down about??
Quote me, and i'll show the members how you misunderstood me,


Read.: 1 John 3:9. and believe it.

If you understood Paul's doctrine and that verse, then what i write would be clear and revelatory to you.

Also, I didn't read your "Mind", ... i know your Denominational TYPE.
I know your THEOLOGY, = how you "think" theologically, because you've posted it a lot... so, I know your BELIEF System...I know were you and Paul the apostle are doctrinally and theologically disconnected.
Ive tried to bring you to that place, and help you reconnect to real faith, as Paul teaches.
No you have lied! which now also makes you a .......

Also pretending to know my mind makes you guilty of sorcery!

So I will ask you directly and only need a simple yes or no answer:

If a person is born again, can they and do they still sin?. Yes or No.
 

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When a person is born again.... they become "A new Creation in Christ"., "one with God"...."made righteous".

Sin...... is not a part of this Spiritual union with God, because "God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"... which dealt with all sin, for all time.

He, Christ on the Cross has our sin, 2000 yrs ago..... and the born are become, for eternity....= "the Righteousness of God, in Christ".

Unbelievers, still "under the law" still have their sin..........while the Born again, are "not under the law but under Grace" and are "made righteous"....forever.

What you are not understanding, Ronald, is that your mind and your body , is not the Son/Daughter of God, born again.
So, you still only see yourself as.....>your thinking, and did you control it right now, and 10 minutes from now, as who you are, vs being born again, as a "New Creation". "in Christ".

However, God does not see your thinking or your body as the "Son/Daughter of God".... =BORN AGAIN.
God only sees the BORN AGAIN = as a "New Creation in Christ", that is "seated in heavenly places", """ in Christ"""

So, your issue is not sin. (if you are truly born again).
Its an inability to understand that God only sees you (if you are born again) as "made righteous", "one With God".
You do not see yourself "in Christ" as God has caused all the born again to become.
You can pretend you do, but you dont, yet.
YOU instead see yourself as a sinner, and that is the opposite of "in Christ".
God sees the born again, only as a "new Creation in Christ"..

You have to renew your mind, Ronald.... so that you only SEE YOURSELF exactly and always as God has recreated you to be SPIRITUALLY, as born again, "in Christ"... "Made Righteous"..
So I will ask you directly and only need a simple yes or no answer:

If a person is born again, can they and do they still sin?. Yes or No.

God sees me as perfect! and is now sanctifying me

I am seared already in heavenly places.
I am redeemed, justifed and already glorified!
I am a child of God

But you still have refused to answer this simple question:

So I will ask you directly and only need a simple yes or no answer:

If a person is born again, can they and do they still sin?. Yes or No.

I will remind you that you said if a person still sins- they are not Christian. Were you lying here?
 

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Still Trolling?

As i told you... Ronald.."Post the QUOTE" of mine, that you have misunderstood.

I'll be happy to help you., but i can't until you post the quote of mine that is your issue.
First answer that simple question. You are dodging having to answer the question I asked. Giver me the simple yes or no answer and then I will gladly quote your words back to you and the post #.
 

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So I will ask you directly and only need a simple yes or no answer:

Here is your answer.

Pay attention this time, Ronald.


Sinners, are not """"Heirs of God and Joint heirs with Jesus.""""

Sinners, are not "seated in heavenly places' in Christ".

Sinners, are not "One with God" "made righteous".

Sinners are not "redeemed".

Sinners have not become "a new Creation in Christ".

Sinners are not "in the Kingdom of God."

Sinners are not "Blood Bought"

Sinners have not received the "divine nature"

Sinners are not "As Jesus is so are the born again in this World'.

Sinners do not have "eternal life"

Sinners are not become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit.""
 

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First answer that simple question. You are dodging having to answer the question I asked. Giver me the simple yes or no answer and then I will gladly quote your words back to you and the post #.

Sinners, are not """"Heirs of God and Joint heirs with Jesus.""""

Sinners, are not "seated in heavenly places' in Christ".

Sinners, are not "One with God" "made righteous".

Sinners are not "redeemed".

Sinners have not become "a new Creation in Christ".

Sinners are not "in the Kingdom of God."

Sinners are not "Blood Bought"

Sinners have not received the "divine nature"

Sinners are not "As Jesus is so are the born again in this World'.

Sinners do not have "eternal life"

Sinners are not become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit.""
 
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Here is your answer.

Pay attention this time, Ronald.


Sinners, are not """"Heirs of God and Joint heirs with Jesus.""""

Sinners, are not "seated in heavenly places' in Christ".

Sinners, are not "One with God" "made righteous".

Sinners are not "redeemed".

Sinners have not become "a new Creation in Christ".

Sinners are not "in the Kingdom of God."

Sinners are not "Blood Bought"

Sinners have not received the "divine nature"

Sinners are not "As Jesus is so are the born again in this World'.

Sinners do not have "eternal life"

Sinners are not become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit.""
Sinners, are not """"Heirs of God and Joint heirs with Jesus.""""

Sinners, are not "seated in heavenly places' in Christ".

Sinners, are not "One with God" "made righteous".

Sinners are not "redeemed".

Sinners have not become "a new Creation in Christ".

Sinners are not "in the Kingdom of God."

Sinners are not "Blood Bought"

Sinners have not received the "divine nature"

Sinners are not "As Jesus is so are the born again in this World'.

Sinners do not have "eternal life"

Sinners are not become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit.""

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So I will ask you directly and only need a SIMPLE YES OR NO IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED!

If a person is born again, can they and do they still sin?. Yes or No.
 

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So I will ask you directly and only need a SIMPLE YES OR NO IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED!

If a person is born again, can they and do they still sin?. Yes or No.

The only way you can "sin" is to be a sinner.
This is why you sin.
Christians are not sinners, they are Sons/Daughters of God. = "A new Creation IN CHRIST".

Paul teaches..... = Christians are 'made free from sin, and are become servants of Righteousness".

Christians, are "in Christ" and there is no sin found there., Ronald
Christians are "one with God" and there is no sin found there.
Christians are in the Kingdom of God, and there is no LAW there, or commandments, that can DEFINE YOU as a sinner.

See, to be a sinner you have to be under THE LAW, as its the law that defines you as a sinner.

The BORN AGAIN......"are not under the Law, but under Grace".
 
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The only way you can "sin" is to be a sinner.
This is why you sin.
Christians are not sinners, they are Sons/Daughters of God.

Paul teaches..... = Christians are 'made free from sin, and are become servants of Righteousness".

Christians, are "in Christ" and there is no sin found there., Ronald
Christians are "one with God" and there is no sin found there.
Christians are in the Kingdom of God, and there is no LAW there, or commandments, that can DEFINE YOU as a sinner.

See, to be a sinner you have to be under THE LAW, as its the law that defines you as a sinner.

The BORN AGAIN......"are not under the Law, but under Grace".
Once again, you seem to have a hard time understanding simple statements:

So I will ask you directly and only need a SIMPLE YES OR NO IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED!

If a person is born again, can they and do they still sin?. Yes or No.

why do you find it so difficult to say yes or no???
 

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why do you find it so difficult to say yes or no???

There is no sin "in Christ".
All the born again are "in Christ".

The born again are not under the Law. = "where there is no Law, there is no TRANSGRESSION"..

= Ive answered you.

So, if you are a sinner, then you are not '"In Christ"... You are under the law, and you need this.

A.) = "Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW", because....>'Jesus is the END OF THE LAW = for Righteousness"...
 

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There is no sin "in Christ".
All the born again are "in Christ".

The born again are not under the Law. = "where there is no Law, there is no TRANSGRESSION"..

= Ive answered you.

So, if you are a sinner, then you are not '"In Christ"... You are under the law, and you need this.

A.) = "Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW", because....>'Jesus is the END OF THE LAW = for Righteousness"...
Once again, you seem to have a hard time understanding simple statements:

So I will ask you directly and only need a SIMPLE YES OR NO IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED!

If a person is born again, can they and do they still sin?. Yes or No.

why do you find it so difficult to say yes or no???

YES OR NO-ANYTHING ELSE IS EVASIVE AND UNCHRISTIAN OF YOU
 

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Once again, you seem to have a hard time understanding simple statements:


Im Teaching.

See, you can't hear me, because you are in the carnal mind, Ronald.
You are chasing "sin, confess, repeat" for decades, because you BELIEVE that is your discipleship.
You have FAITH that you are going to sin, so, "by your faith, is it done for you". Jesus told you.
Did you think He was kidding?

Net Chaplin and others teach what you believe, what you have become.... as "real Christianity"

So, what im doing here, is teaching, that is based on your confusion, as this allows me to keep teaching Paul's theology, regarding Soteriology.
Im able to draw the distinction, between correct understanding of "Redemption" by responding to you.

This is useful to the real students of the word who read my Threads.

See, by responding to your theological and spiritual and FAITH confusion, im able to teach by contrast, PAULINE THEOLOGY... and that is most effective.
 
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Im Teaching.

See, you can't hear me, because you are in the carnal mind, Ronald.
You are chasing "sin, confess, repeat" for decades, because you BELIEVE that is your discipleship.
You have FAITH that you are going to sin, so, "by your faith, is it done for you". Jesus told you.
Did you think He was kidding?

Net Chaplin and others teach what you believe, what you have become.... as "real Christianity"

So, what im doing here, is teaching, that is based on your confusion, as this allows me to keep teaching Paul's theology, regarding Soteriology.
Im able to draw the distinction, between correct understanding of "Redemption" by responding to you.

This is useful to the real students of the word who read my Threads.

See, by responding to your theological and spiritual and FAITH confusion, im able to teach by contrast, PAULINE THEOLOGY... and that is most effective.
More verbal methane.

You know what I am asking and you know how to answer yes or no so once again:

Once again, you seem to have a hard time understanding simple statements:

So I will ask you directly and only need a SIMPLE YES OR NO IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED!

If a person is born again, can they and do they still sin?. Yes or No.

why do you find it so difficult to say yes or no???

YES OR NO-ANYTHING ELSE IS EVASIVE AND UNCHRISTIAN OF YOU

Have some integrity and simply answer yews or no! It is not as hard as you are making it to be. even a three year old knows how to say yes or no!!!!!!!
 

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1 John 3:9
Context Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

New Living Translation
Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

English Standard Version
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Standard Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Literal Bible
Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God.

King James Bible
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
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More verbal methane.

You know what I am asking and you know how to answer yes or no so once again:

Lets get back to Paul's Doctrine.

Paul teaches..... that if you "walk in the Spirit", you shall not fulfill the LUSTS of the FLESH.

And Paul teaches that...."use not your liberty in Christ for an occasion to the FLESH"..

See those 2?

Now here is what you are doing. You are fulfilling the lusts of your flesh. occasionally....
Nothing more and nothing less, Ronald.
And then you feel guilty, and you run to 1 John 1 and you say the magic words...that you believe will make you feel better, eventually, like you've done so many times before.
Yet the entire time,>>> if you are born again<<<<, you are not under the law, and you are "made free from sin".

So, to walk in the Spirit, is to understand what i just taught you., as that understanding, is the : '"renewed mind". And to have that mind, is how you are delivered from works of the flesh.

What you should do, is ask questions about redemption, and God's Grace, and why 2 Corinthians 5:19 says that God does not charge sin to any born again believer., ever again.

Or you can just keep Trolling my Threads with your carnal mind.
 
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Lets get back to Paul's Doctrine.

Paul teaches..... that if you "walk in the Spirit", you shall not fulfill the LUSTS of the FLESH.

And Paul teaches that...."use not your liberty in Christ for an occasion to the FLESH"..

See those 2?

Now here is what you are doing. You are fulfilling the lusts of your flesh. occasionally....
Nothing more and nothing less, Ronald.
And then you feel guilty, and you run to 1 John 1 and you say the magic words...that you believe will make you feel better, eventually, like you've done so many times before.
Yet the entire time,>>> if you are born again<<<<, you are not under the law, and you are "made free from sin".

So, to walk in the Spirit, is to understand what i just taught you., as that understanding, is the : '"renewed mind". And to have that mind, is how you are delivered from works of the flesh.

What you should do, is ask questions about redemption, and God's Grace, and why 2 Corinthians 5:19 says that God does not charge sin to any born again believer., ever again.

Or you can just keep Trolling my Threads with your carnal mind.
I agree and rejoice with all the verses you post!

but you have a serious problem understanding basic things so once again:

More verbal methane.

You know what I am asking and you know how to answer yes or no so once again:

Once again, you seem to have a hard time understanding simple statements:

So I will ask you directly and only need a SIMPLE YES OR NO IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED!

If a person is born again, can they and do they still sin?. Yes or No.

why do you find it so difficult to say yes or no???

YES OR NO-ANYTHING ELSE IS EVASIVE AND UNCHRISTIAN OF YOU

Have some integrity and simply answer yews or no! It is not as hard as you are making it to be. even a three year old knows how to say yes or no!!!!!!!

What are you hiding that you cannot simply answer yes or no? You know what I am asking and you know the answer. but you wish to evade anbd dodge simply saying yes or no! That is really sad. And then you resort to making false accusations against your brother in Christ (though form your writing I do not think you believe I am a Christian).

But I await a simple yes or not! anything else comes from evil.
 

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1 John 3:9
Context Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

New Living Translation
Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

English Standard Version
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Standard Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Literal Bible
Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God.

King James Bible
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And now you are showing what Behold cannot comprehend. It is living or continually practicing sin without regard to its wrongness.

It does not mean a believer will never sin again, but that they do not live in the habit of sin.
 

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Here is your answer.

Pay attention this time, Ronald.


Sinners, are not """"Heirs of God and Joint heirs with Jesus.""""

Sinners, are not "seated in heavenly places' in Christ".

Sinners, are not "One with God" "made righteous".

Sinners are not "redeemed".

Sinners have not become "a new Creation in Christ".

Sinners are not "in the Kingdom of God."

Sinners are not "Blood Bought"

Sinners have not received the "divine nature"

Sinners are not "As Jesus is so are the born again in this World'.

Sinners do not have "eternal life"

Sinners are not become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit.""
Define sinner!
 
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God’s word is saying exactly what it’s saying. @Ronald Nolette .....a Born again does not sin, the Holy Spirit cannot and does not indwell a sinner....for they are in the righteousness of Christ...they have /are regenerated by the Holy Spirit and I’m afraid I won’t be debating it...because, the word of God is truth.....hopefully you may come to understand that truth one day...God Bless and peace to you.

Edit to add, this is the True word of God, not man’s word, God’s word of “ truth”.

Berean Literal Bible
Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God.

King James Bible
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
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