The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[Jim B]

In my bible God gave the ten commandments to the Israelites fleeing captivity in Egypt because they were God's own chosen people. It is believed by modern churches that the commandments are for everybody. I believe that although the commandments are a good template for everybody to follow they are not for sinners as people seem to think.

They are a good "template", even though they are thousands of years old and were given to desert dwellers. Of course, Christians are guided by the Holy Spirit, sent to us by God to guide us into all truth, and not by any written code.

Romans 3:21-22b, "But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed and is attested by the Law and the Prophets, the righteousness of God through the faith of Jesus Christ for all who believe."

 

[M3n0r4h]

When are you going to understand how to read and interpret the Bible correctly?

In Matthew, to whom was Jesus speaking? OT Jews, not Christians! It is bizarre to write "your righteousness hasn't even reached the level of those people Jesus was referring to" when a) again, He was speaking to OT Jews and b) it clearly says in Romans 3:21-22a, "But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed and is attested by the Law and the Prophets, the righteousness of God through the faith of Jesus Christ for all who believe." So in one sentence, your claim is disproven!

Believers have the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ, who fulfilled the OT law entirely. To put yourself back under the law is to deny the salvific work of Jesus Christ!

Sorry that you are struggling to accept exactly what the Bible teaches! You're fighting hard for what you misunderstand to be the Truth.

I hear that!

you were asking about the following information:

"The works of His hands are verity and judgment; all His Commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in Truth and uprightness."
Psalms 111:7-8

Who are the 10 Commandments written to?
They are written to all God's Children.

Who are God's Children? Let's see.

God is a spirit. Those who worship Him (His Children) must worship Him in spirit and in Truth.
John 4:24

Spiritual Israel are God's Children; NOT any physical/fleshly race - for "...they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:.."
Romans 9:8

Is God's Law a physical Law or a Spiritual Law?
"For we know that the Law is spiritual:..."
Romans 7:14

"Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, (those who do them and keep them may go to heaven.)...Ye shall not add unto (them), neither shall ye diminish (them)..., that ye might keep the Commandments of the Lord your God ..."
Deuteronomy 4:1-2

NOTE: this chapter speaks nothing of the Mosaic/Ceremonial laws. It is ONLY referring to the 10 Commandments which ARE God's Law.

"And He declared unto you ... Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on tables of stone."
Deuteronomy 4:13

And what if His Children stop obeying His Commandments?

"... the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,..."
Deuteronomy 4:27

We are living this reality today. Scattered far and wide; few and far between among the nations.

"But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find Him, if thou seek Him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
(This next verse is PROOF POSITIVE that the Commandments are still valid to this very day.)
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days (end times), if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto His voice; (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God; ) He will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers (10 Commandments) which He sware unto them."
Deuteronomy 4:29-31

"The works of His hands are verity and judgment; all His Commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in Truth and uprightness."
Psalms 111:7-8

"My covenant will I not break nor alter (forever) the thing that has gone out of My lips."
Psalms 89:34

"For I am the Lord, I change not; ..."
Malachi 3:6

 

[Jim B]

absolutely.

can you share the verses from your Bible located at Deut. 29:10-11 & 14-15 please?

can you share which churches today teach that the 10 Commandments are still relevant and that people should keep them please?

thank you.

God bless.

Why split up the verses?

“You stand assembled today, all of you, before the Lord your God—the leaders of your tribes, your elders, and your officials, all the men of Israel, your children, your women, and the aliens who are in your camp, both those who cut your wood and those who draw your water— to enter into the covenant of the Lord your God, sworn by an oath, which the Lord your God is making with you today, in order that he may establish you today as his people and that he may be your God, as he promised you and as he swore to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. I am making this covenant, sworn by an oath, not only with you who stand here with us today before the Lord our God but also with those who are not here with us today." Deuteronomy 29:10-15

I don't think that it's appropriate to edit God's word.

What is your point?

 

[Pearl]

absolutely.

can you share the verses from your Bible located at Deut. 29:10-11 & 14-15 please?

can you share which churches today teach that the 10 Commandments are still relevant and that people should keep them please?

thank you.

God bless.

Of course the 10 commandments are still relevant - to God's people - just as they have always been. But do you believe the commandments were given to the Egyptians who had enslaved the Israelites? Or to the nations who fought against them?

 

[M3n0r4h]

Why split up the verses?

“You stand assembled today, all of you, before the Lord your God—the leaders of your tribes, your elders, and your officials, all the men of Israel, your children, your women, and the aliens who are in your camp, both those who cut your wood and those who draw your water— to enter into the covenant of the Lord your God, sworn by an oath, which the Lord your God is making with you today, in order that he may establish you today as his people and that he may be your God, as he promised you and as he swore to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. I am making this covenant, sworn by an oath, not only with you who stand here with us today before the Lord our God but also with those who are not here with us today." Deuteronomy 29:10-15

I don't think that it's appropriate to edit God's word.

What is your point?

my point is obvious and it's the same point being made in the OP of this thread.

the 10 Commandments were also given to the strangers/aliens among the Israelites and it is made clear in the text that it was also given to ALL who were not present as well.

fight it all you like, but God intended the 10 Commandments to be kept by anybody, any race, any sex or creed that would ever come to believe in and love and seek Him.

it cannot be denied.

and He doesn't change and neither do His Commandments. Jesus obeyed AND TAUGHT them all and expected His followers to do the same. that is why they did just that after He had already been crucified.

the Ten Commandments really AREN'T for everybody - they are only for those who love God Almighty, as Jesus did, and intend to obey and represent His Way of living upon this earth, just as Jesus did.

so you're off the hook. you're free.

free to live any old way you like - just don't claim that the 10 Commandments are not to be kept by sincere Christians.

 

[M3n0r4h]

Of course the 10 commandments are still relevant - to God's people - just as they have always been. But do you believe the commandments were given to the Egyptians who had enslaved the Israelites? Or to the nations who fought against them?

what does the text say about who they were given to?

why are you reluctant to look in that Bible you mentioned?

read it.

post it.

 

[Jim B]

my point is obvious and it's the same point being made in the OP of this thread.

the 10 Commandments were also given to the strangers/aliens among the Israelites and it is made clear in the text that it was also given to ALL who were not present as well.

fight it all you like, but God intended the 10 Commandments to be kept by anybody, any race, any sex or creed that would ever come to believe in and love and seek Him.

it cannot be denied.

and He doesn't change and neither do His Commandments. Jesus obeyed AND TAUGHT them all and expected His followers to do the same. that is why they did just that after He had already been crucified.

the Ten Commandments really AREN'T for everybody - they are only for those who love God Almighty, as Jesus did, and intend to obey and represent His Way of living upon this earth, just as Jesus did.

so you're off the hook. you're free.

free to live any old way you like - just don't claim that the 10 Commandments are not to be kept by sincere Christians.

If you depend on written rules to guide you instead of the Holy Spirit, then you are under the Old Covenant and have missed the basis of Christianity.

Galatians 5:4, "You who want to be reckoned as righteous by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." => READ THAT AGAIN <=

Galatians 5:18, "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not subject to the law."

Why don't you take some time off and read the epistle to the Galatians?

The basis of Christianity is that we are freed from the law. It is clearly stated in Romans 7:6, "But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."

You can go on and on and on about the OT law, the ten commandments, etc. but you will never be right. Tragically, if you depend on the written code you are denying Christ!

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[M3n0r4h]

If you depend on written rules to guide you instead of the Holy Spirit, then you are under the Old Covenant and have missed the basis of Christianity

that's impressive.

you have no use for a Bible whatsoever.

I prefer to defer to God's written Word.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Anyone who rejects the commandments is an anti-Christ.
Jesus said not one jot of such that he was against, as he only does the will of the Father.
But Jesus fulfilled them with the Grace of God giving the two that cover the lot, so without the two that Jesus gave covering over all, one does not have Grace !
For Grace covers over the Law ?
The Law in Christ Jesus has Grace that is dominate, so such rules over the Law, The Jews do not have Grace ! so the Law in regards the OT was set regardless, for their was no Grace ! so if you were Gay say, well then you were to be killed in fact, no if's or buts and that was the case regardless.

But our future is going to be dominated by Satanist, for they do not have Grace ! and they will peddle the Law with no Grace in fact. such is coming and it's on the way, it's hear now but such is still growing !

You can not challange the Law ? only Grace can do that if it's over the Law in Christ Jesus, outside of that a Law has no real value foundations regards the human aspect ? one is owned a slave to the such Law regardless be it OT or foolish Laws created by fools or Satan.

Only Grace can weed out the imperfections regarding the Laws being carried out !

So the foundations of the OT Law is solid ! but the aspect of such needs Grace to work or to be fruitful in fact.

 

[Brakelite]

There is a good possibility of that. a) His "handle" is (decoded) "menorah" and b) he believes in OT legalism.

So Abraham, the father of the faithful, was a legalist?
KJV Genesis 26:5
5 because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws
.

 

[ButterflyJones]

So Abraham, the father of the faithful, was a legalist?
KJV Genesis 26:5
5 because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws
.

Abraham was a gentile, and a "legalist". If legalist is defined as, honored and obeyed God.

 

[Keturah]

Per the OP
However, Jesus said it this way, " love the Lord, your God with all your heart, soul, mind & strength, and love your neighbor as yourself; Matthew 22: 36-40, on this hang all the law & prophets.

I find all the dissention over the 10 Commandments always STARTS & STOPS @ the Sabbath........WHY?

If we look @ just what Jesus instructs per N.T. ,he DOES NOT mention the Sabbath but rather our relationship to God & man, yet we have this hope of REST IN HIM !

Hebrews 4:9-11

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

For he that is entered into HIS REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that  rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

My rest is in him!

 

[Brakelite]

Abraham was a gentile, and a "legalist". If legalist is defined as, honored and obeyed God.

Yes, the "father of faith", living under the "old covenant", was a legalist earning his way to heaven. At least according to some here. Understandable when you completely discard the truth of salvation by grace through faith...under both covenants.

 

[Brakelite]

My rest is in him!

And observing the Sabbath through which we enhance the

relationship to God & man,

is not in Christ, neither is restful? How would you know this unless you experience it?

 

[Pearl]

what does the text say about who they were given to?

why are you reluctant to look in that Bible you mentioned?

read it.

post it.

Okay, I'll have a read.

 

[M3n0r4h]

Anyone who rejects the commandments is an anti-Christ.
Jesus said not one jot of such that he was against, as he only does the will of the Father.
But Jesus fulfilled them with the Grace of God giving the two that cover the lot, so without the two that Jesus gave covering over all, one does not have Grace !
For Grace covers over the Law ?
The Law in Christ Jesus has Grace that is dominate, so such rules over the Law, The Jews do not have Grace ! so the Law in regards the OT was set regardless, for their was no Grace ! so if you were Gay say, well then you were to be killed in fact, no if's or buts and that was the case regardless.

But our future is going to be dominated by Satanist, for they do not have Grace ! and they will peddle the Law with no Grace in fact. such is coming and it's on the way, it's hear now but such is still growing !

You can not challange the Law ? only Grace can do that if it's over the Law in Christ Jesus, outside of that a Law has no real value foundations regards the human aspect ? one is owned a slave to the such Law regardless be it OT or foolish Laws created by fools or Satan.

Only Grace can weed out the imperfections regarding the Laws being carried out !

So the foundations of the OT Law is solid ! but the aspect of such needs Grace to work or to be fruitful in fact.

I think I understand what you're saying.

but how do you explain that verse being in the Bible?

Matt. 5:19

how do we explain it being in the NT?

how do we explain it being spoken by Jesus?

it clearly states that those who obey and teach the Commandments are considered greatest.

how do we possibly reconcile that with the common teaching today that Christians are not to obey the 10 Commandments and that they are a curse and that we aren't "under" them, etc?

it doesn't make any sense.

we are taught that the Law has been removed, but just as you pointed out, Jesus says that not one single tiny part of the Law will be removed.

somebody has got to explain that in a way that coincides with all that is written in God's Word.

otherwise it remains a clear contradiction to God's plain Word.

 

[Jim B]

that's impressive.

you have no use for a Bible whatsoever.

I prefer to defer to God's written Word.

Spiritual "children" need written instructions; spiritual "adults" do not.

And stop with nonsensical comments like "you have no use for a Bible whatsoever" and "I prefer to defer to God's written Word. Unlike you, I know what the Bible means.

Returning to the subject: you need to read Galatians 3:23-26 carefully: "Now before faith came, we were imprisoned and guarded under the law until faith would be revealed. Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be reckoned as righteous by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian, for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith."

If you claim to defer to God's written word then actually do so and stop with the hypocrisy!

 

[Jim B]

I think I understand what you're saying.

but how do you explain that verse being in the Bible?

Matt. 5:19

how do we explain it being in the NT?

how do we explain it being spoken by Jesus?

it clearly states that those who obey and teach the Commandments are considered greatest.

how do we possibly reconcile that with the common teaching today that Christians are not to obey the 10 Commandments and that they are a curse and that we aren't "under" them, etc?

it doesn't make any sense.

we are taught that the Law has been removed, but just as you pointed out, Jesus says that not one single tiny part of the Law will be removed.

somebody has got to explain that in a way that coincides with all that is written in God's Word.

otherwise it remains a clear contradiction to God's plain Word.

Try understanding the Bible in context. Clearly your understanding is deficient.

Matthew's gospel was written to the (unsaved) Jews; you mistakenly interpret it. You think that the OT law applies to Christians. In other words, Christ died in vain and we are still under the old covenant. It doesn't make any sense -- to you!. That is truly tragic!

Somebody has got to explain that to you in a way that coincides with all that is written in God's Word.

Are you a Christian or a Jew?

 

[Jim B]

Galatians 2:2-3, "The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? Having started with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh?"

There really is nothing more to discuss about the OT law's applicability to Christians. Simply put, it has no applicability -- unless your mind hasn't been renewed. If it hasn't, then you're going to try to fit what the Bible says to your false thinking. There is a word for that: eisegesis.

 

[Jim B]

that's impressive.

you have no use for a Bible whatsoever.

I prefer to defer to God's written Word.

Why are you distorting what I wrote? Does the OT law direct you to do that?

You have no comprehension of God's word!

Roman 8:1-4, "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and to deal with sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.