Stay in our KJV bibles folks.
One KJV verse says that Jesus saves ALL people. Another KJV verse says that Jesus sends some people to eternal punishment.
Which verse is correct? They can't both be correct.
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Stay in our KJV bibles folks.
One KJV verse says that Jesus saves ALL people. Another KJV verse says that Jesus sends to eternal punishment.
Which verse is correct? They can't both be correct.
Angels did not die in Adam, only those who were "in Adam" died. And only those who are "in Christ" shall be made alive.22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
The quote is a snippet of a conversation concerning convincing David to bring back Absolom. It has nothing to do with doctrines of salvation.You are making assumptions about the devices and what they are. So no I don't follow your logic here. God has an altar and sacrifices which were used in the old testament for salvation in likeness to the lamb of God or Christ. Those are more likely the devices he was referring to. Samuel is from the Old Testament during the time of animal sacrifice.
This was quoting a woman who was put up by Joab to speak to King David regarding allowing Absolom to return to the palace. It has nothing to do with the doctrine of salvation.It's dangerous to try and form a doctrine based on one scripture like that. Rather, that passage needs to be understood in light of other scriptures...the whole counsel of God.
You put yourself on God's level?People tend to forget that one possible outcome for judgment is mercy, which God is FULL of.
What will the one who expects us to love our enemies do with his own?
Incinerate them? Feel the love.
They refuse to point to Faith in Christ . They offer up the Broad path that leadeth unto destruction .Gonna leave this to the Babelist, who had this thought, to build a name through building a tower to heaven.
Genesis 11
5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have IMAGINED to do.
Imagining the word of God to grant wishes and say something IT DOESN'T, is a folly, same as the Tower.
FROM A BIBLE THUMPING, BIBLE BELIEVING, child of God; saved ONLY thru BELIEVING ON JESUS AND TURNING TO GOD THRU REPENTANCE, may darkness and blindness be removed from the eyes of their hearts and minds!
A very broad way indeed . JESUS taught YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM . JESUS said exactly what was gonna happen to thoseUniversalism is a hallway to Hell.
Mt 7 Narrow is the way that leads to life and FEW there be who find it.A very broad way indeed . JESUS taught YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM . JESUS said exactly what was gonna happen to those
who did not . And if it will be worse for you than even Sodom on the day of judgment sounds like a good thing
WELL , WOW is all i can say . Those who hear and refuse to believe the gospel , all i can to is shudder in total fear
for them . The road to the dark one is broad and very inclusive . The way TO GOD , IS IN CHRIST JESUS ALONE .
In my opinion she was speaking truth, and it is a beautiful example of intercession that we can learn from.This was quoting a woman who was put up by Joab to speak to King David regarding allowing Absolom to return to the palace. It has nothing to do with the doctrine of salvation.
Much love!
I don't believe this passage is given to teach us that there are multiple ways to the Father. I see it the plea of a woman on behalf of a man on behalf of a kingdom to restore the heir apparent, but not a teaching of our redemption in Christ.In my opinion she was speaking truth, and it is a beautiful example of intercession that we can learn from.
Does that mean that you AGREE that Jesus died to save us from God? - LOLHaven't you read/heard that our God is a consuming fire?
Rom 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
You put God BELOW our level. Which is worse?You put yourself on God's level?
I wouldn't!
Much love!
That's just another way of making yourself the judge of God. Don't compare Him to us.You put God BELOW our level. Which is worse?
Since you also asked Lady T the same question in another thread, I will respond:Please tell us more about how Jesus uses the Lake of Fire.
Since you also asked Lady T the same question in another thread, I will respond:
Revelations describes the Lake of Fire as "the Second Death". I understand "Death" as "the end of life". This understanding is consistent with Jesus's use of the Gehenna imagery, which refers to the Valley of Hinnom outside of Jerusalem, which was used for child sacrifice and later for burning garbage, human waste, and animal corpses. It also preserves the view of God's character as merciful (if stern), and not a sadist or a monster.
With the above imagery of death and destruction, I cannot view the Lake of Fire as rehabilitative. Instead, the eschatological model I have proposed (back in post #55) speculates that time spent in Hades between death and resurrection and judgment may be purgatorial in nature. It is based solely on Jesus's parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man and his description of the Rich Man's torment in Hades (and noting that Jesus did NOT use the term "Gehenna"). With no other Biblical attestation (though historically, parts of the Church have believed in Purgatory), this part is (in my assessment) is the weakest link in the proposal. (And the reason I consider it "improbable".) Those who do not change will experience a Second and final Death at the final Judgment, when Death and Hades are also destroyed. I believe this is consistent with the narrative in Revelation, it is consistent with Jesus's statement that body and soul are destroyed in Gehenna, it is consistent with the use of the terms "Abaddon" and "Apoleia" (Hebrew and Greek for "the place of Destruction"; see Proverbs 15:11 and Acts 8:20), and most important, it maintains the seriousness of the multitude of warnings given throughout the Biblical record while leaving room for God's mercy.
I hope I have given a cogent explanation as to the reasons why I believe this MAY be true. Perhaps others may find the thought processes themselves to be useful in other pursuing other directions. Whether anyone else believes it is irrelevant.
The usual answer to that argument is that the devil and his angels are immortal beings. Mankind is not immortal, and there are plenty of Biblical references to back that up. So let's retire that argument.10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Hell will be filled with people who don't believe Jesus. Guess Who said this.I appreciate you taking your time to share your well-spoken understanding and belief.
But how does the concept of eternal punishment reconcile with 1 Timothy 4:10 which says that Jesus is the savior of ALL people? To me, this verse and many others are very problematic for the theology of eternal punishment.