I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

[David in NJ]

How does your question relate towards whether or not God keeps His promises? I believe God keeps His promises, and that prophecy will be fulfilled.

Tell me something . . . prophecies that have already been fulfilled . . . how did it happen? Literally as the prophecy spoke it? Or in some other "spiritual" way.

Well, a literal baby was literally born from a literal virgin mother. The baby grew up into a literal Man, who performed literal miracles, and literally died on a literal cross.

The literal nation of Israel was literally expelled from a literal homeland, to be literally exiled throughout the literal nations. They will be literally regathered to their literally homeland.

Much love!

@marks, = No one is disputing this.

Return to the subject at hand = Who is Christ speaking to in (a.) , (b.) and (c.) ???

a.) Who is the Bride and the BrideGroom of John 3:27-36

b.) Who is Christ addressing/speaking to Matt 23:29-39

c.) Who is Christ addressing/speaking to in Matt 24:1-3

 

[amigo de christo]

And will David rule over Israel there? Will the Apostles judge the 12 tribes in heaven? Is that the idea?

Much love!

ITS LORD PRAISING TIME in the building people . Did you look at acts fifteen mark .

 

[marks]

Marks, can you provide the verses that speak of David specifically ruling over Israel that now is a physical nation?

Why? That not the prophecy.

Let me ask everyone . . . Does anyone believe this passage as it is written beside me?

Jeremiah 30:7-11 KJV
7) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8) For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9) But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10) Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11) For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

Anyone?

Do I alone believe these words of God? Does everyone else insist on changing the meaning to something that He didn't say?

Much love!

 

[rwb]

How does your question relate towards whether or not God keeps His promises? I believe God keeps His promises, and that prophecy will be fulfilled.

Tell me something . . . prophecies that have already been fulfilled . . . how did it happen? Literally as the prophecy spoke it? Or in some other "spiritual" way.

Well, a literal baby was literally born from a literal virgin mother. The baby grew up into a literal Man, who performed literal miracles, and literally died on a literal cross.

The literal nation of Israel was literally expelled from a literal homeland, to be literally exiled throughout the literal nations. They will be literally regathered to their literally homeland.

Much love!

So too Israel of God is a literally all people of faith! They are now literally, in this age of time, spiritually alive in the Kingdom of God, while clothed in physical bodies. The Pharisees also looked for a literal, physical Kingdom they thought would come. So when Christ came in a spiritual Kingdom, they denied and rejected the Kingdom Christ had already prepared for all those who love Him. Are you also in denial regarding the spiritual Kingdom Christ ushered in when He came to earth a man?

Christ tells us that His Kingdom now is NOT of this world, and cannot be observed because His Kingdom is within man of faith.

John 18:36 (KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Luke 17:20-21 (KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

[amigo de christo]

Marks, can you provide the verses that speak of David specifically ruling over Israel that now is a physical nation? There are several verses pointing to the seed of David, which is Christ ruling over His people. Below for example. When you speak of David ruling over an ethnic people, called Israel now, are you sure you didn't mean to say the 'SEED", Christ, of David would rule over His spiritual people, Israel of God forever?

John 7:42 (KJV) Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

Romans 1:3 (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

2 Timothy 2:8 (KJV) Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Since the Bible points to Christ, the SEED of David ruling over a Kingdom, would you be surprised to learn that Christ is NOW and has been since His ascension to heaven ruling over the spiritual Kingdom He has already received? A Kingdom that shall never be destroyed.

Acts 1:2 (KJV) Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Acts 1:9-11 (KJV) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

It is Speaking of JESUS .
There are other places that talk about DAVID ruling over them , and there will be one fold and one shepard .
BUT IT MEANS THE SEED , which is CHRIST .
Yur right my friend .
Notice what the blind man calls him . SON OF DAVID , have mercy on me .
JESUS IS THE PROMISED KING OF ISRAEL . plus folks need to read luke too .
ALSO notice back in exodus , it says OUT OF EYGPT have i called my SON , referring to Israel
when he called the nation of israel out of eygpt .
YET years later the author of , i think its mathew
Says as it is written OUT OF EYGPT have i called my SON . REFERENCING JESUS .
Jacob was named israel later . ONLY NOW WE GOT US A KING OF TRUE ISRAEL .
A KINGDOM that cannot be destroyed . FOR GOD RULES IT , CHRIST RULES IT and for now
its heavenly . That kingdom WILL NEVER BE MOVED , as were the other two . THE TEMPLE will never be destroyed
as were the other two . THE TRUE KING SITS OVER IT .
GOD AND THE LAMB are the temple . and Israel are HIS PEOPLE . ONE FOLD ONE SHEPARD .
it consists of the believing jew and believing gentile .
Ever wonder why paul says this , AND THE ISRAEL OF GOD . OH YEAH .
Israel of GOD consists of ..........................THE BELIEVERS IN JESUS CHRIST . ONE FOLD NOW . ONE FOLD
Not two . ONE . folks need to see the bigger picture . The flesh of any
man whether he is jewish born or gentile born , profits nothing . YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN .

 

[marks]

Luke 17:20-21 (KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Do you know that before He sits on His throne of Glory, Jesus Christ will be seen coming in power and glory by everyone? So there has to be a little more to the story, wouldn't you say?

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

So too Israel of God is a literally all people of faith! They are now literally, in this age of time, spiritually alive in the Kingdom of God, while clothed in physical bodies. The Pharisees also looked for a literal, physical Kingdom they thought would come. So when Christ came in a spiritual Kingdom, they denied and rejected the Kingdom Christ had already prepared for all those who love Him. Are you also in denial regarding the spiritual Kingdom Christ ushered in when He came to earth a man?

Christ tells us that His Kingdom now is NOT of this world, and cannot be observed because His Kingdom is within man of faith.

John 18:36 (KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Luke 17:20-21 (KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Even some of JESUS own followers got messed up . Some tried to make HIM A KING over natural israel .
THEY COULD NOT YET SEE , THIS WAS NOT SPEAKING OF NATURAL but of A SPIRTUAL KINGDOM .
ONE BUILT NOT by man , BUT BY GOD HIMSELF
and its high priest , ONE , JESUS CHRIST . Other sheep i have which are not of this fold
them must i bring also and they shall be ONE FOLD . ONE FOLD . that is the FOLD . THE FOLD of JESUS CHRIST
in the ISRAEL OF GOD , which in times past were not a people BUT ARE NOW THE PEOPLE OF GOD
which had not obtained mercy but NOW HAVE . ITS ALL POINTING TO JESUS CHRIST .
HEAVENLY JERUSLAM where the TEMPLE IS GOD AND THE LAMB
and the only access into that KINGDOM . WHO IS THE TEMPLE AGAIN , GOD AND THE LAMB .
YEAH ITS JESUS CHRIST .

 

[rwb]

Why? That not the prophecy.

Let me ask everyone . . . Does anyone believe this passage as it is written beside me?

Jeremiah 30:7-11 KJV
7) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8) For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9) But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10) Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11) For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

Anyone?

Do I alone believe these words of God? Does everyone else insist on changing the meaning to something that He didn't say?

Much love!

It's not the written words that is unbelieved! It is your understanding of these words written that is not believed.

 

[marks]

It is Speaking of JESUS .
There are other places that talk about DAVID ruling over them , and there will be one fold and one shepard .

So then where you read David, you say, It doesn't really mean David, though, it means Jesus. Hm. Though it says THIS, it really means THAT. In all honesty, I never expected that from you.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Even some of JESUS own followers got messed up . Some tried to make HIM A KING over natural israel .
THEY COULD NOT YET SEE , THIS WAS NOT SPEAKING OF NATURAL but of A SPIRTUAL KINGDOM .
ONE BUILT NOT by man , BUT BY GOD HIMSELF
and its high priest , ONE , JESUS CHRIST . Other sheep i have which are not of this fold
them must i bring also and they shall be ONE FOLD . ONE FOLD . that is the FOLD . THE FOLD of JESUS CHRIST
in the ISRAEL OF GOD , which in times past were not a people BUT ARE NOW THE PEOPLE OF GOD
which had not obtained mercy but NOW HAVE . ITS ALL POINTING TO JESUS CHRIST .
HEAVENLY JERUSLAM where the TEMPLE IS GOD AND THE LAMB
and the only access into that KINGDOM . WHO IS THE TEMPLE AGAIN , GOD AND THE LAMB .
YEAH ITS JESUS CHRIST .

And yet the prophecies are replete with prophecies of His kingdom upon the earth. What do we do with them? The same as with David in Jeremiah 30? Say to ourselves, they all really mean something else? I don't come to the Bible that way.

I submit myself to what He said.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It's not the written words that is unbelieved! It is your understanding of these words written that is not believed.

I'm saying, as written, not mentally changed to something different.

Do you believe that God will raise up David to be king over Israel? That's the wording of the passage, and for myself, I believe it "as written", do you? Because it seems as though you don't. That you believe that where it says "David", that you think it really means something different. Do I understand correctly?

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

And yet the prophecies are replete with prophecies of His kingdom upon the earth. What do we do with them? The same as with David in Jeremiah 30? Say to ourselves, they all really mean something else? I don't come to the Bible that way.

I submit myself to what He said.

Much love!

Well the heavenly KINGDOM will one day Descend right over there in ISRAEL .
I think the prophecies also point to that .
The KINGDOM will one day be restored again in the land .
IT WILL BE THE HEAVENLY ONE ON EARTH .
As far as them buiding a third temple . my best guess is they might do it .
BUT BEWARE IF THEY DO . cause they all inclusive mark .
IF THEY DO , they will use it to unite ALL RELIGOINS . meaning what , MEANING ANTI CHRIST
influence . But most folks will run happily to it and to the jews , THINKING ITS THE RESTORATION OF THE KINGDOM
when in fact its gonna be THE TOP SEAT FOR ANTI CHRIST . and folks BETTER WATCH OUT FOR THAT .
THEY MEAN TO UNITE THE RELIGOINS , not under GOD but under what they claim IS GOD . but it wont be .
IT WILL TROD as its spirit even does now , THE DIRE NEED FOR BELIEVING ON CHRIST UNDER FOOT .
OH WE GOT MUCH DECEPTOIN going on . RIGHT NOW .
And i see many churches running like teen age girls and slobbering all over this abrahamic faith accord LIE FROM HELL .
My prayer is you aint one of those . if so , YOU are being decieved . But my best guess is you are not falling for that lie .

 

[rwb]

Do you know that before He sits on His throne of Glory, Jesus Christ will be seen coming in power and glory by everyone? So there has to be a little more to the story, wouldn't you say?

Much love!

Did you not read the words of Daniel and the Acts I referenced for you? Christ is NOW, since He ascended to heaven seated on His throne in heaven. There is NOT a single verse found in Scripture telling us Christ or David will sit on an earthly throne ruling and reigning over His people. Now in this age of time, Christ reigns from heaven OVER His people, not on this earth destined to destruction.

1 Peter 3:22 (KJV) Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Mark 16:19 (KJV) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Acts 2:34-36 (KJV) For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Hebrews 8:1-2 (KJV) Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Hebrews 9:24 (KJV) For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

 

[marks]

@marks, you ar eviolating the contract that you and i agreed to = "submitting to the word of God"

Do you submit to the Word of God?

Do you believe what this passage claims? As written? Or do you make the same changes in your mind when you read this even as others do?

Jeremiah 30:7-11 KJV
7) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8) For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9) But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10) Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11) For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

It doesn't sound like you do. If not, how is that being submitted to the Word of God?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Well the heavenly KINGDOM will one day Descend right over there in ISRAEL .
I think the prophecies also point to that .
The KINGDOM will one day be restored again in the land .
IT WILL BE THE HEAVENLY ONE ON EARTH .

Amen!!! And praise God, brother!!! I hate the idea not being in unity!!!!

Much love!

 

[marks]

But most folks will run happily to it and to the jews , THINKING ITS THE RESTORATION OF THE KINGDOM
when in fact its gonna be THE TOP SEAT FOR ANTI CHRIST .

Yes, and no, because it will lead to the beast trying to destroy the Jews. But yes, let's not be deceived by the lies of Satan as though Christ has come, or that the antichrist is he.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

And yet the prophecies are replete with prophecies of His kingdom upon the earth. What do we do with them? The same as with David in Jeremiah 30? Say to ourselves, they all really mean something else? I don't come to the Bible that way.

I submit myself to what He said.

Much love!

some of the prophecies were concering the KINGDOM , the temple they would build the second time .
After the first one was destroyed . But some are speaking of a THIRD ONE , that ONE IS THE HEAVENLY ONE .
the second temple was destroyed in seventy ad . THE THIRD KINGDOM
well that was established IN JESUS CHRIST and is in heaven . anti christ , beware anti christ and that spirit .
Cause i am watching it lead folks down a false path . Repeat after me
THE ABRAHAM FAITH PEACE ACCORDS by pope francis and DONALD TRUMP who helped establish it .
IS A LIE FROM HELL . DONT be fooled . THEY ALL IN ON IT MARK .
THIS is all about the UNIFYING OF ALL THE WORLDS RELIGOINS . it is a LIE . DO not fall for it .
Dont even believe it , dont even look in its direction . LET US PREACH JESUS
and wait for the COMING OF JESUS CHRIST . which might add , DRAWS nigh indeed .
But mark , MARK my words , this world is only gonna get more decieved and far worse with whaterver short time is left in it .
THERE WILL BE NO GREAT AWAKENING , JUST A MASSIVE FALLING AWAY , which i might add , FOLKS WILL THINK
IS THE GREAT AWAKENING or AWOKENING . ITS COMING IN to both sides and worketh through both sides .
THE ONLY ONE WE CAN TRUST IN AND HOPE IN IS GOD and THE CHRIST OF GOD JESUS CHRIST .
cause i am telling us , MEN on all sides are decieving and being decieved . TRUST THOU
HOPE THOU , ONLY IN GOD . and let us keep on exhorting one another daily .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, and no, because it will lead to the beast trying to destroy the Jews. But yes, let's not be deceived by the lies of Satan as though Christ has come, or that the antichrist is he.

Much love!

The anti christ is he . what do you mean by that my friend . Did you mistype like i often do .

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Amen!!! And praise God, brother!!! I hate the idea not being in unity!!!!

Much love!

As do I.
Therefore I am signing out of all forums.
This is unpleasant to my heart and I am very very weary of it all.

May God keep us strong in the faith and grow us ever stronger. May his Spirit keep us ever searching for his truth !

Dear reader,
Today is the day of your salvation. Choose to serve God and him only; He never fails !

Love to all and thank you !

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, and no, because it will lead to the beast trying to destroy the Jews. But yes, let's not be deceived by the lies of Satan as though Christ has come, or that the antichrist is he.

Much love!

The kingdom right now , the one right now in jerusalem is not free , its in bondage .
From that earthly kingdom will come the end game .
THE restoration of the KINGDOM TO ISRAEL will not be TILL AFTER JESUS HAS COME
and laid down wrath against the beast and all .
NOT BEFORE . BEFORE JESUS COMES , THE ANTI CHRIST REIGNETH from there and the world .
The jews the temple they desire , ITS NOT ABOUT THE HEAVENLY MARK .
the jewish leaders are as much all inclusive as is ROME itself . THEY IN BED TOGETHER MARK
as are the other religoins top dogs . THE IMAMS , hindus , buddist
jews , even sadly a large part of christendom are merging as one UNDER THE DRAGON . NOT GOD mark . NOT GOD
This is all part of the end time delusion to gather the world as one .
And mark their teeth will come FULL FORCE against , THE LAMBS mark . THE LAMBS .
The beast is a saint killer . The spirit of anti christ is not new mark .
ITS BEEN SINCE the days of john . HE SPOKE OF IT .
JOHN told us what an anti christ is . A LIAR WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST and mark
even right now we got us many anti christs . MANY . and they are working as one
to unite all religoins under THE DRAGON , THE BEAST , ITS KINGDOM . THIS IS THE LAST HOUR MY FRIEND
The battle for the souls of men rages on . WE MUST PREACH JESUS TO ALL while we still have time to do so .