It very evident that everyone in these types of threads, including you and @Randy Kluth are completely and hopelessly confused. It's not even a debate about opinions. But when people state things that are actually contrary to statements found in scripture and when confronted about them, they just say, "It's what it means to me and so I'm correct", you can't even have a discussion based on facts.
Prophecy interpretation is very hard. But I've not come across so many people who state things so blatantly against what scripture states. Then when you point out their error using Scripture itself they get all offended that their precious artificial construct has been demolished. Then they accuse you of being disrespectful and start mocking and ridiculing. And they have the gall to say they are called by God to promote their blatant error and claim it is how prophecy should be understood. They are defiant to stay in their safe ignorance, wallowing in their self created errors. They do not want to be corrected.
I have been called as a Preacher to Prophecy nigh 40 years, I did not receive these End Time Understandings until the last 7 or 8 years after I was slowed down by a Heart Attack and Diabetes. So, its not my stye to jump out with "STATEMENTS where in fact I am just Guessing" I do not do that, maybe just maybe you can't understand what I now see because you are not hearing the Lord but instead are hearing other men's ideas from years ago.
As I was praying one night about 2016 or so, just after my hear attack, and laid up, I asked God why was it that "In these end times, when He is supposed to reveal all of these things, as stated in Daniel and elsewhere, we as a Church was still so disjointed and all over the place with 100s of understandings of who the Harlot is, who the 144,000 are, what the 7 Headed 10 Horned Beast means, what Babylon really means" etc. etc. and I got this from the Holy Spirit:
"Ron, you guys already know it all"
I understood straight away, the Lord wanted me to do what I had done when first saved, reading the Gospels, and I always just silently asked, "What does this mean Lord" and He always answered me, every time. So, I now understand why there was so much confusion, before God was ready to deliver His End Time Understandings, men had come up with personal ideas, and now God could not get past those FALSE NATIONS (like the 1444,000 are Super Preachers, LOL, that is nowhere in scriptures). So, God wanted me to now reread all the Prophetic texts, Danial, Ezekiel, Revelation et al and WHENEVER I came to a passage that made no sense, or seemed to be contradictory, I needed to ask God to SHOW ME Lord, and He has done that every single time, as long as I refuse to move on until get the answer.
Demonstration, in Dan. 7:11 the bible says the Beast is KILLED, his body DESTROYED and cast into hellfire, then in Rev. 19 it says the False Prophet and Beast are CAST ALIVE into hell, WHAT GIVES? Nothing, both are true statements, God NEVER contradicts Himself, we misunderstand, or we see passages translated wrongly, here we misunderstand, we as humans are immortal, Dan. 12:1-2 and 1 Cor. 15:50-52 says WE SLEEP, just like the Wicked REST for 1000 years (at least) before the 2nd Resurrection sees them judged, but they never die spiritually. Unlike them, the Anti-Christ when he is KILLED (all men must die and be judged) he will never be given the chance to Sleep/Rest until the 2nd Resurrection, he will be taken straight away (CAST ALIVE) into hellfire.
Another DEMONSTRATION, the Temple can not be defiled until it is cleansed, taking away a PROFANE Meat Sacrifice is not what DEFILES the temples, that is nonsensical, so what is the Man in Linen (Jesus pre incarnate) and Gabriel speaking of in Dan. 12:4-7 then? They are telling us that Jesus Worship (THE SACRIFICE) will be forbidden, after the Jews repent. Can we show this in scriptures? Yes, Zech. 13:8-9 shows that 1/3 of the Jews repent, and they call God God and He calls them His children again. And we can see in the very next verse this has to happen JUST BEFORE the DOTL arrives because Zech. 14:1 says Behold the DOTL arrives (SMILE) so Israel repents, starts worshiping Jesus in the temple, thereby cleansing the temple, therefore when the False Prophet (a Jewish High Priest gone rogue like Jason unto Antiochus) forbids Jesus worship or takes away the Sacrifice, the Temple is then DEFILED AGAIN. Until it is cleansed it can not be defiled, God sees a Meat Sacrifice as EVIL, not holy, it mocks Jesus' death. Jason (real name Yeshua) bribed Antiochus to be named the High Priest having his pious High Priest brother Onias III killed, he then welcomed Antiochus into the temple to offer a sacrifice of a pig unto Zeus, and ordered all Jews to become Hellenized, leading un to the Maccabean Revolt. Jason covers over 6 chapters in the book of Maccabeans. The exact same thing in going to happen in the end times, not only is Antiochus an Archetype Anti-Christ BUT OF COURSE, he had to have an Archetype False Prophet by his side also, Eureka, that just makes sense.
So, knowing what a passage says vs. what it actually MEANS is two entirely different things. After all, the Pharisees were learned men, but they were blinded unto the Suffering Servant Scriptures because they had a blind spot, they DESIRED the Conquering King passages. Once you see that all of those "MEN'S IDEAS" need to be questioned, then and only then can you overcome the tunnel vision they cause. So, anyone who is heeding what a man put forth 50, 75 or 100 years ago, before God was ready to put forth His End Time Understandings, it needs to be looked at very carefully. Hal Lindsey, an many others were great men of the Lord, but God is only now giving us His End Time truths, so why are we heeding men's ideas from long ago? Yes, as young Christians we all saw Prophecy as way over our heads, so we read Men's thoughts on these things, which were limited, there was useful stuff, but overall, we know have the access to God's full understandings in these end times, IF.............we can overcome the WRONG ASSUMPTIONS put forth by "MEN" from years ago. The 144,000 is merely a CODE for all Israel who repents, that's a fact. God does not chose perfect numbers.
God saved unto Himself 7000 men well 7 = Divine Completion and 10 = Completion, so 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000 or Divine Completion x Completion or ALL Israel, therefore He gives us His answer without giving Satan any answers. God says 144,000 will be saved in the end, well 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness and thus 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 is Fulness x Completion or ALL Israel who repents. Lastly God told us 1/3 of Israel will repent in Zech. 13:8-9, just before the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1 so there was no way Satan could know this number until he got to the very end, so it gave nothing away. But the ONLY WAY all three can be true is if the first two are CODE NUMBERS, because 7000 is not 144,000 and neither = 1/3 of all the Jews today (3.5-5 million) so both can ONLY BE CODES !!
Prophecy is easy when God gives you the answers, when we can not get past OLD THINGS men taught long ago, we are thus BLOCKING the Holy Spirit's answers by being bull headed.