Prophecy and History

[covenantee]

I believe the truth. You believe what you want in your make believe world.

So you're the sole oracle of truth.

Where can we come to worship?

 

[amigo de christo]

So you're the sole oracle of truth.

Where can we come to worship?

NEVER FOLLOW the RCC . the blind cannot lead the blind .
OPEN BIBLE . stay in bible . read and learn bible .
Be encouraged now . And do beware this pope francis . and his all inclusive we are one unity message , that many
within all false religoins and even the protestant realm are fasting buying into .

 

[amigo de christo]

So you're the sole oracle of truth.

Where can we come to worship?

The mystery of inquity rests not but has grown large and filled the minds and hearts of many .
The last hour , the great climatic end hour is upon the world .
The harlot has not slept . She cometh FROM WITHIN . A HARLOT always cometh FROM WITHIN .
This is seen in the old test many a time . OH GREAT HARLOT .
you see she claims the name of GOD but she preaches wickedness against GOD . her prophets come in
as men of rigtheousness . having a lamb like appearance but a mouth that speakth as a dragon .
As JESUS was betrayed from within , so too is the true church betrayed by those WITHIN . THIS GETS ONLY WORSE
and fast too . Many are looking for an anti christ of the mulsim religoin
or an athiest . BUT i warn us all , OURS COMETH FROM WITHIN . Even now are there many anti christs .
Beware . do beware of men . for many decievers do come from within
to transform christanity FROM WITHIN to serve and to honor THE BEAST . ITS ANTI CHRIST , its love is false
its love rejoices NOT IN THE TRUTH but RATHER IN SIN and in lies .

 

[amigo de christo]

So you're the sole oracle of truth.

Where can we come to worship?

EVEN now this queen of heaven so called reigneth over kings and tribes of the earth . ITS HER WILL be done
her kingdom come . Leaders submit to her and her will .
THIS UNIFY as one IS COMING FROM THE HARLOT .
It now calls unto all religoins , all children , all to come and enter into her all inclusive chambers .
AND the blind know not that her chambers of love are leading them all UNTO THE SECOND DEATH .

 

[amigo de christo]

And the tribes and religoins of planet earth as one
do her bidding . The children gather the wood and the parents prepare the dough of the whore
and bake cakes unto this queen of heaven .
The prophets prophesy falsely and worse the peoples love to have it so
but what will ye do o world in the end thereof ............................
FOR THE LORD GOD WILL ARISE TO JUDGE the GREAT WHORE , and all who partook of her unity .

 

[covenantee]

EVEN now this queen of heaven so called reigneth over kings and tribes of the earth . ITS HER WILL be done
her kingdom come . Leaders submit to her and her will .
THIS UNIFY as one IS COMING FROM THE HARLOT .
It now calls unto all religoins , all children , all to come and enter into her all inclusive chambers .
AND the blind know not that her chambers of love are leading them all UNTO THE SECOND DEATH .

You're preaching to the converted. You should redirect these to EES.

 

[amigo de christo]

You're preaching to the converted. You should redirect these to EES.

Well i came to encourage ya my friend . most folks wont hear a word i say .

 

[covenantee]

Well i came to encourage ya my friend . most folks wont hear a word i say .

I appreciate the encouragement.

 

[amigo de christo]

I appreciate the encouragement.

I dont know if you know this or not . but in case you dont .
Beware of the this abraham faith accords . ITS THE WHORES doing to UNIFY THE RELIGOINS .
the leaders of the jewish people do her will as well . Watch out for it .
SHE WILL REIGN over JERUSALEM as well . THE HARLOT is unifying all to be as one .

 

[amigo de christo]

The imams do her bidding too .
The harlot has brought in a love which can unify the WORLD . for it is a wordly version of love .
Beware it , for though it does speak of doing good works , if often calls what GOD calls good EVIL
it accepts sins , it accepts other paths to GOD . its a force , a love that all religoins can unite as one under
as well as atheist .

 

[Ronald D Milam]

And yet here we are debating it! I'll say it again, if the Bible points to a Pretrib Rapture, then God failed to speak to most of Christian history. Nobody even remotely saw that there until the 1800s. Which do you think got it right?

That is just an UNTRUTH, put forth by other men, whom you recite, kind of like all the "atheists" cite other atheists lines all the time. Paul spoke of the Pre Trib Rapture, the TIMING is obvious throughout the bible. What you and others fail to realize is people like the RCC leaders refused access to the bible and or with no printing press it was too expensive for a common man to have a bible. So, these truths were dug out in time, just as Martin Luther helped reform the Church via Reformation, so people could espouse different views without being tried and tortured as an heretic.

The words came from Paul the TIMING TELLS come from God. Just because you can't see them does not mean they are not there, the Pharisees could not see Jesus' birth either. There is ZERO CHANCE the Rapture is not Pre Trib just from the TIMING TELLS in the bible. But no matter what one says you guys have chosen not to listen to anyone on the subject.

Antichrist is the "Little Horn" in Dan 7 who in the last days boasts against God. It is in the time just before the Son of Man comes with the clouds to establish the Kingdom of God. This "Antichrist," as John calls him, or the "Lawless One," as Paul calls him, resists the coming of the Christian Kingdom. Hence he is an Anti Christ, or Anti Christian, or even Anti Kingdom. Like Antiochus 4 before him, he operates in a kingdom that is dedicated to God, and tries to overturn the Christian laws and mores. This has already been happening in the West. The Antichrist spirit is already here.

Antichrist is not the one who turns away from the faith--he attempts to turn nominal Christians away from their Christian heritage. That is already happening.

And the Church is already in Heaven when the Anti-Christ does all of this so how does Dan. 7 fit in with my question at all? The Anti-Christ simply means anti God, and what most do nit get is it has to be ETERNAL, because it is opposed to God, the anti God Spirit is what seduced Lucifer. The Beast is only called the Anti-Christ in order for us to put the 33 names he is under one moniker. John also says there are many anti christs, that is because they all hear the Eternal Anti God Spirit. Lucifer is not eternal.

But in essence, you dodged the point, there is no faith being spoken of by Paul anywhere in 2 Thess. 2.

So you are a Greek scholar? I think rather that you are a pretender, or at best, surmising what you *think* is legitimate Greek translation? My brother isn't a Greek scholar, but he has learned a lot about Greek translation of the Bible, and I don't recall he ever suggested what you're saying. What you say sounds more like a bias than scholarship.

I have been doing this nigh 40 years, its my calling, I wonder if when losing a debate you will try to demean the Disciples in the same manner. Those are dodging words, I don't recall my brother, well why nt ask him, LOL. It really doesn't matter what you recall or don't recall in the end, yu are just dodging a factoid you can not rebut.

The Hoy Spirit doesn't care about College Degrees bud.

Where do you find the word "only" in this verse?

Rev 20.4 Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

WOW........So, the ONLY ONES that will rule with Jesus are given a designation an a descriptor.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Who is THEY sir? Well look below, I show who THEY ARE.........

I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands,

ONLY THEY....................Live and reign for his 1000 year reign, because the 1000 year reign is about the Kingdom Age, with HUMANS, its not about us with Glorious Bodies per se.

Using THEY..........then pointing out the ONLY ONES ascribed this title is very easy stuff.

This makes is quite clear--at least clear to me, that this 1st Resurrection is a general resurrection of *all those who will be priests of Christ.* And we already know that priesthood will not be confined only to the martyrs under Antichrist!

The First Resurrection is all those not in the 2nd Resurrection of DEATH. Both Pre Trib and 2nd Coming Resurrections. The First refers to those in Christ.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. As I said, I think the "Departure" has to do with the apostasy that will take place under Antichrist in formerly Christian Europe. And I think Paul was condemning the view of a Christian cult that they were somehow bringing in the Kingdom of God--sort of like Jehovah's Witnesses. Paul was not condemning the Thessalonians, but rather, warning them not to believe in what that cult was claiming.

Paul's argument was that the Kingdom cannot be here until the Antichristian nature of this present age is fully dealt with. Christians suffer in the present age. And Jesus spoke against those who thought the Kingdom was about to come imminently.

So Paul declared that we can be sure the Kingdom is not coming through some Christian cult if Antichrist has not yet even appeared, because until he does the present world is going to be full of frustrations, and we must not think we can avoid suffering until Christ returns.

My blog, written in 2016 on this subject.

Is the Falling Away a False Teaching?

I have evolved with much study on this. I used to argue to all that there had to be this great Falling Away also. All because of this one passage. 2 Thessalonians 2:3. I do agree that the world gets far more evil towards the (now) end, as foretold in Romans chapter 1, and as Peter said, there will be scoffers in the last days etc. etc. But I do not think the True Church can "Fall Away", either you are of Christ/God or you are not, and will get left behind by the Bridegroom. Anyway, here is my understanding of 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
“Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction…” – 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NASB) This verse is used by many and they say it implies a "Falling Away" from the faith. But a guy named Tommy Ice has shed some exceptional light on this passage.

Mr. Ice has pointed out that the Greek noun, apostasia, is used only twice in the New Testament. The other occurrence is in Acts 21:21 where it states that an accusation was made against Paul that he was “teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake [apostasia] Moses.”

The word is used in verb form a total of 15 times in the New Testament, and only three of these have anything to do with a departure from the faith (Luke 8:13, 1 Timothy 4:1, and Hebrews 3:12). In other settings, the word is used for departing from iniquity (2 Timothy 2:19), departing from ungodly men (1 Timothy 6:5), departing from the temple (Luke 2:27), departing from the body (2 Corinthians 12:8), and departing from persons (Acts 12:10 and Luke 4:13).

This insight about the use and meaning of the word was certainly compelling, but the argument Mr. Ice presented that was most convicting was his revelation that the first seven English translations of the Bible rendered the noun, apostasia, as either “departure” or “departing.”

They were as follows:
1.The Wycliffe Bible (1384)
2.The Tyndale Bible (1526)
3. The Coverdale Bible (1535)
4. The Cranmer Bible (1539)
5. The Great Bible (1540)
6. The Beeches Bible (1576)
7. The Geneva Bible (1608)

Mr. Ice also noted that the Bible used by the Western world from 400 AD to the 1500s — Jerome’s Latin translation known as “The Vulgate” — rendered apostasia with the Latin word, discessio, which also means “departure.” The first translation of the word to mean apostasy in an English Bible did not occur until 1611 when the King James Version was issued. So, why did the King James translators introduce a completely new rendering of the word as “falling away”? The best guess is that they were taking a stab at the false teachings of Catholicism.

One other point Mr. Ice made that I think is significant is that Paul used a definite article with the word apostasia. The significance of this is emphasized by Daniel Davey in a thesis he wrote for the Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary:

Since the Greek language does not need an article to make the noun definite, it becomes clear that with the usage of the article, reference is being made to something in particular. In 2 Thessalonians 2:3 the word apostasia is prefaced by the definite article which means that Paul is pointing to a particular type of departure clearly known to the Thessalonian church.

In light of this grammatical point, Tommy observed that “the use of the definite article would support the notion that Paul spoke of a clear, discernible notion.” And that notion he had already identified in verse 1 when he stated that he was writing about “our gathering together to Him [Jesus].” This interpretation also corresponds to the point that Paul makes in verses 6 and 7 where he states that the man of lawlessness will not come until what “restrains” him “is taken out of the way.”

And what it is that restrains evil in the world today? The Holy Spirit working through the Church. I think when the church Departs, the Anti-Christ will be free to come to power as the Beast.

I do not think this has anything to do with a Falling Away. It is the Church Departing before the Anti-Christ is brought forth. The King James Bible changed the known understanding that has been around for 1500 some odd years.

 

[Randy Kluth]

That is just an UNTRUTH, put forth by other men, whom you recite, kind of like all the "atheists" cite other atheists lines all the time.

If you don't want to discuss our different positions, just say so. All of the rhetoric is unnecessary. You can, if you wish, start a different thread on a supposed "Catholic conspiracy?" I personally have no interest in that.

And the Church is already in Heaven when the Anti-Christ does all of this so how does Dan. 7 fit in with my question at all?

Paul went to the 3rd heaven, and that didn't represent a Rapture at all. Viewing the Church in heaven is like showing us our ultimate destination, a preview as such--a prolepsis. It is giving advance notice of our reward, as well as encourage us that those who've died are already there.

A vision showing the Church in heaven, or any semblance of this, is without any doctrinal basis. We cannot base doctrine on visions, particularly heavily symbolic visions. If the Holy Spirit doesn't come out and say it, then we shouldn't catalogue it as orthodox theology. It is something that should speak to those familiar with the language.

The Anti-Christ simply means anti God, and what most do nit get is it has to be ETERNAL, because it is opposed to God, the anti God Spirit is what seduced Lucifer.

I wasn't aware there was such a thing as an "Anti-God Spirit?" Where do you get that?

The only "Anti-God Spirit" I'm familiar with is Lucifer himself. And 1/3 of the angels are anti-god spirits, as well. People who follow him are anti-god spirits, as well.

The Beast is only called the Anti-Christ in order for us to put the 33 names he is under one moniker.

He is titled "the Beast" because that's how Daniel saw the rise of pagan powers before the coming of the Kingdom. They were inhuman animals. They act without a soul.

John also says there are many anti christs, that is because they all hear the Eternal Anti God Spirit. Lucifer is not eternal.

Satan is going to live forever just like all angels and all men.

But in essence, you dodged the point, there is no faith being spoken of by Paul anywhere in 2 Thess. 2.

I didn't dodge anything. Perhaps I missed your point, but I didn't dodge anything!

I have been doing this nigh 40 years, its my calling, I wonder if when losing a debate you will try to demean the Disciples in the same manner. Those are dodging words, I don't recall my brother, well why nt ask him, LOL. It really doesn't matter what you recall or don't recall in the end, yu are just dodging a factoid you can not rebut.

The Hoy Spirit doesn't care about College Degrees bud.

What He cares about is that Christians learn to get along.

WOW........So, the ONLY ONES that will rule with Jesus are given a designation an a descriptor.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Who is THEY sir? Well look below, I show who THEY ARE.........

I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands,

ONLY THEY....................Live and reign for his 1000 year reign, because the 1000 year reign is about the Kingdom Age, with HUMANS, its not about us with Glorious Bodies per se.

Again, *you* are saying *only*--not the passage. You are insinuating something that is not explicitly being said. It is clear that the martyrs under the Beast participate in the 1st Resurrection. But it is clear that the Resurrection they participate in is something that all NT priests are going to participate in, as well.

Your anger is not going to get me to agree with you. Conspiracy theories, insults, and claims about your calling is not going to prove anything. This is a discussion...period.

 

[Randy Kluth]

My blog, written in 2016 on this subject.

Is the Falling Away a False Teaching?

I have evolved with much study on this. I used to argue to all that there had to be this great Falling Away also. All because of this one passage. 2 Thessalonians 2:3. I do agree that the world gets far more evil towards the (now) end, as foretold in Romans chapter 1, and as Peter said, there will be scoffers in the last days etc. etc. But I do not think the True Church can "Fall Away", either you are of Christ/God or you are not, and will get left behind by the Bridegroom. Anyway, here is my understanding of 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

In my view, there is the Nominal Church and the true Evangelical Church (not to be confused with historical movements associated with the name "Evangelical"). The Gospel was to be preached "to every creature," to everybody in a nation and to all nations. That means the people of a State would consist of those who get excited about their faith and those who use it as a moral code to preserve order in the State.

Nations rise and fall because sin is like leaven that leavens the whole lump. Eventually, a nation, no matter how well it begins as a Christian State, deteriorates into a mix with paganism and ends up in total apostasy. God is able to maintain only a relative few.

That means Christian states, like ancient Israel, ultimately capitulate to sin, and "fall away."

The word is used in verb form a total of 15 times in the New Testament, and only three of these have anything to do with a departure from the faith (Luke 8:13, 1 Timothy 4:1, and Hebrews 3:12). In other settings, the word is used for departing from iniquity (2 Timothy 2:19), departing from ungodly men (1 Timothy 6:5), departing from the temple (Luke 2:27), departing from the body (2 Corinthians 12:8), and departing from persons (Acts 12:10 and Luke 4:13).

It really doesn't matter how many times a Greek word is used--context is king. If 9 times apostasia referred in the Bible to departure from the earth, and only 1 time it referred to a departure from the faith, the context, if it referred to a departure from the faith, would mean that rather than a departure from the earth.

And what it is that restrains evil in the world today? The Holy Spirit working through the Church. I think when the church Departs, the Anti-Christ will be free to come to power as the Beast.

But Paul was talking about the restraint of the coming of Antichrist, which Daniel indicated had to be preceded by the break up of the Roman Empire into 10 or more states. The Church may have slowed some elements of evil in Christian states, but it is God's prophetic word that has determined to give the Roman imperial tradition authority before Antichrist can arrive. And that tradition continues today in both East and West, through the governments over those regions.

 

[Jay Ross]

The Reformers got it right. They recognized the beast (Revelation 13:1-7), coming out from its belly, as they did.

There is no Reformation doctrine claiming that the pope is the fourth beast in Daniel 7. The Reformers proclaimed the apostate papacy (unHoly Roman Empire) to be the little horn. They got it right.

The prevailing historical and correct understanding is that the fourth beast was the imperial Roman empire.

Should the blasphemies re. the pope not be demonized?

The problem that you have is that your understanding of the Beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 is flawed. The four winds of heaven are also angels that have fallen or rebelled with Satan against God. They are spiritual entities who can exercise influence over the peoples of the earth such that the people who are influenced by the "Beasts of Heaven," manifest" the dominate characteristic of the four respective beasts. The manifested beasts that rise up out of the sea of humanity are only doing the respective bidding of the four winds of heaven, i.e., the angels who have rebelled against God with Satan.

Unless the popes were all a spiritual entity, then they were not the fourth beast. Could the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church become influenced by the Fourth Beast of Daniel 7:1-12? My answer is yes, and just like the Roman Catholic Church the churches that formed out of the Reformation, they too have ebbed and flowed in and out of the influence of the fourth beast of Daniel 7:1-12.

Holding onto our "tradition" of the beliefs that have been created, demonstrates that we too con be influenced by the fourth beast.

Pointing our finger at the Roman Catholic Church and claiming that they are the fourth beast and should be demonised gives Satan the opportunity to claim that the denominational churches of today also exhibit the same characteristics of the fourth beast as the Roman Catholic Church has. We really need to be careful in what we say.

Shalom

 

[Jay Ross]

It's unbelievable. Both you and @Jay Ross don't seem to know the first thing about interpretation of prophecy. It must be interpreted according to jewish culture and understanding of the period and according to the full plan of human history.

Throwing stones again from your glass house based on your false understanding that you have all of the right interpretations that we plebs will ever need to have.

I am happy to be proven wrong by better interpretations than I have, but you have demonstrated that your interpretations are equally flawed as well.

I have no wish to become bloated in my own trumpeted importance. If my understandings are wrong, then provide an explanation of why I might be wrong from you understanding and how that error could be reduced.

Have a great day now.

 

[covenantee]

The problem that you have is that your understanding of the Beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 is flawed.

My understanding is the understanding of the Reformers.

Their understanding was not flawed.

Unless the popes were all a spiritual entity, then they were not the fourth beast.

Why are you repeating this falsehood? Neither the Reformers nor I have ever claimed such.

Pointing our finger at the Roman Catholic Church and claiming that they are the fourth beast

Why are you repeating this falsehood? Neither the Reformers nor I have ever claimed such.

Do you agree with the following blasphemies?

1. “All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17
2. “The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art. “Papa II”
3. “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.

 

[Jay Ross]

My understanding is the understanding of the Reformers.

Their understanding was not flawed.

Why are you repeating this? Neither the Reformers nor I have ever claimed such.

Why are you repeating this? Neither the Reformers nor I have ever claimed such.

Do you agree with the following blasphemies?

1. “All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17
2. “The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art. “Papa II”
3. “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.

The actual beasts are the wicked fallen heavenly hosts that God will judge in heaven in our near future at the time He judges the kings of the earth at Armageddon who have been influenced by the heavenly beasts to do their bidding.

While ever we perceive that the beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 are worldly enterprises and not spiritual entities, our understanding of Daniel 7 will be flawed. This is predominately the understanding of rhetoric of the reformation fathers.

Jeremiah prophesied around 19 years, in Jeremaih 50-51, after Daniel penned Daniel 2, that the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 statue dream was not the Roman Empire as the third segment, i.e., the Grecian Empire, would devastate and desolate the land of Babylon for a period of time of around two ages.

The reformation fathers' error in their understanding of Daniel was to link Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 as if they were talking about world powers that would have wide reaching influence over the world as it was known.

Jeremaih in chapters 50 and 51 of his book wrote predominately about what was going to happen during this present time, and the fourth segment of the statue prophecy did not come into view until the Israelites began seeking God once more in the last 150 or so years. It was around a century ago that the fourth segment of the statue prophecy came into view, that now allows us to understand what the prophets were penning in their prophecy books.

Just like what other past people have done, the Reformation Fathers tried to fit the know history of their time to the Biblical descriptions of world events.

Even today, what Jeremiah penned in Jeremiah 50-51 is not well understood, but if we reflect on the events that have happened, even in the last 20 or so years, we can see what Jeremiah prophesied unfolding before our very eyes.

In 1926, the land of Babylon was remembered once more to receive the wrath of God for what she had done.

The fifth segment of the Daniel 2 statue prophecy has been revealed as this segment has tried to heal the land of Babylon and the King of the North along with many other nations became the fifth entity that has had dominion over the land of Babylon.

We need to shift our history glasses so that it also focusses on the events that have unfolded since the time of the Reformation Fathers so that we can see the hand of God and Satan at work even during this present time period.

The Heavenly beastly entities are increasing their influences at this present time and the prophetic word that Jeremiah has given concerning the king of the north and the other nations that acted with him in recent years past is unfolding before our very eyes.

The tradition of our past understanding of God's prophetic words has clouded our ability to see clearly at this present time. There are too many false and misguided "prophets" shouting out loudly what is happening, or is about to happen, such that the "prophets" that God has called to explain what is actually unfolding cannot get above the noise of these babblers of misinformation.

Satan already knows that he will to be judged shortly and he is putting in place his good and faithful servant to be an impediment for the expansion of God's Everlasting Kingdom that is to be established on the earth in our near future.

Oh, that the saint would be able to see the unfolding events that we are a part of.

Shalom

 

[covenantee]

The actual beasts are the wicked fallen heavenly hosts that God will judge in heaven in our near future at the time He judges the kings of the earth at Armageddon who have been influenced by the heavenly beasts to do their bidding.

While ever we perceive that the beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 are worldly enterprises and not spiritual entities, our understanding of Daniel 7 will be flawed. This is predominately the understanding of rhetoric of the reformation fathers.

Jeremiah prophesied around 19 years, in Jeremaih 50-51, after Daniel penned Daniel 2, that the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 statue dream was not the Roman Empire as the third segment, i.e., the Grecian Empire, would devastate and desolate the land of Babylon for a period of time of around two ages.

The reformation fathers' error in their understanding of Daniel was to link Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 as if they were talking about world powers that would have wide reaching influence over the world as it was known.

Jeremaih in chapters 50 and 51 of his book wrote predominately about what was going to happen during this present time, and the fourth segment of the statue prophecy did not come into view until the Israelites began seeking God once more in the last 150 or so years. It was around a century ago that the fourth segment of the statue prophecy came into view, that now allows us to understand what the prophets were penning in their prophecy books.

Just like what other past people have done, the Reformation Fathers tried to fit the know history of their time to the Biblical descriptions of world events.

Even today, what Jeremiah penned in Jeremiah 50-51 is not well understood, but if we reflect on the events that have happened, even in the last 20 or so years, we can see what Jeremiah prophesied unfolding before our very eyes.

In 1926, the land of Babylon was remembered once more to receive the wrath of God for what she had done.

The fifth segment of the Daniel 2 statue prophecy has been revealed as this segment has tried to heal the land of Babylon and the King of the North along with many other nations became the fifth entity that has had dominion over the land of Babylon.

We need to shift our history glasses so that it also focusses on the events that have unfolded since the time of the Reformation Fathers so that we can see the hand of God and Satan at work even during this present time period.

The Heavenly beastly entities are increasing their influences at this present time and the prophetic word that Jeremiah has given concerning the king of the north and the other nations that acted with him in recent years past is unfolding before our very eyes.

The tradition of our past understanding of God's prophetic words has clouded our ability to see clearly at this present time. There are too many false and misguided "prophets" shouting out loudly what is happening, or is about to happen, such that the "prophets" that God has called to explain what is actually unfolding cannot get above the noise of these babblers of misinformation.

Satan already knows that he will to be judged shortly and he is putting in place his good and faithful servant to be an impediment for the expansion of God's Everlasting Kingdom that is to be established on the earth in our near future.

Oh, that the saint would be able to see the unfolding events that we are a part of.

Shalom

For some reason, you refuse to comment on the blasphemies of the papacy.

What are you afraid of?

Could it be that you agree with them?

 

[amigo de christo]

My understanding is the understanding of the Reformers.

Their understanding was not flawed.

Why are you repeating this falsehood? Neither the Reformers nor I have ever claimed such.

Why are you repeating this falsehood? Neither the Reformers nor I have ever claimed such.

Do you agree with the following blasphemies?

1. “All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17
2. “The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art. “Papa II”
3. “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.

Yep . never follow the RCC . her chambers lead unto the dead .
She claims to HOLD the KEYS , yet she herself has never entered in, and HINDERS ALL who sit under her from doing so .