The Gospel of Grace:

[Prentis]

Intimacy with Christ and knowing him is indeed the most important thing... But we would be wise not to confuse this with reading the Bible and attributing what God did to those who pleased him to ourselves!

We would be wise also to understand the difference between salvation and intimacy.

 

[brother dave]

Intimacy with Christ and knowing him is indeed the most important thing... But we would be wise not to confuse this with reading the Bible and attributing what God did to those who pleased him to ourselves!

We would be wise also to understand the difference between salvation and intimacy.

of course you guys are the only ones who can have that? but if i could only figure out what Abraham did? maybe i could be saved too?

YOU WOULD NOT HAVE AN SCRIPTURES THAT COULD SHOW ME HOW ABRAHAM DID IT? WOULD YOU?

 

[dragonfly]

but if i could only figure out what Abraham did?

That's what your Bible is for.


What does it tell you?

 

[brother dave]

That's what your Bible is for.


What does it tell you?

well according to you guys? i cant understand the bible for myself? i was hoping one of you holy ,saved people could explain how Abraham was saved? so that i could do what he did! and maybe one day i can be saved too? Words can be so misleading? and we all need a guru (like epi) to tell us what they really mean?

HAS ANYONE NOTICED? THE FIRST THING THIS GROUP OF SELF-APPOINTED SAINTS DO? THEY CHALLENGE EVERYONES SALVATION! SO JUST ADMIT TO THEM THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVED! AND IT REALLY MESSES WITH THERE DOCTRINE OF "UNSAVING PEOPLE"! AND THEY THEN HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO TEACH!

 

[mark s]

We would be wise also to understand the difference between salvation and intimacy.

To you, these are two different things?

John 17:1-3 NLT
(1) When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he looked up to heaven and said, "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you.
(2) For you have given him authority over everyone in all the earth. He gives eternal life to each one you have given him.
(3) And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

That's what your Bible is for.


What does it tell you?

If I may be so bold as to jump in alongside Dave . . .

It tells me differently from what you have been saying, that is why your answer is of particular interest.

There really is no two ways about Abraham, and the Bible holds him up as the example. That's why this is important.

By God? Yes.

My turn.

Can you justify him, or yourself, by your own faith?

What is the sense of this question?

Do you suggest man justifies other men, or himself???

Ah, the wisdom of God... To the humble, grace, to the proud, a fall...



:lol:

The blindness of man!

Man says 'Let us build a tower unto heaven that we might ascend to God'

Man says 'Let us build a scheme that we might be saved'

But God denies them both.

Nothing more than a distraction. When it gets difficult, you and your friends have this pattern. Rather than actually respond to the statements made, you would rather just make some lofty sounding insinuation that you are the only wise, everyone else so fallen.

If I only had a dime for everytime I've seen on this form how you and your friends have avoided answering the difficult questions with this ploy.

Does anyone see the humor in this? :lol:

YOU want to get Abraham saved! YOU are doing the attributing!

MOSES wrote this about Abraham. Abraham did not write or speak about his own justification and righteousness... As a matter of fact, he didn't even write a book, no bestsellers!

But the pattern shown in the Bible is that GOD justifies a man who would not justify himself. Whether he be the publican, who truthfully says 'I am nothing but a sinner', or the saint who says 'I am not worthy' and 'I am an unprofitable servant'. In all cases, the ones who do not justify themselves, and speak truthfully, God justifies, and those who justify themselves, God refuses to justify...

Is that honestly what you think Dave is saying????

Do you actually think Dave is suggesting that Dave saves?

Or is this simply yet another way of not answering what you KNOW cannot be answered according to your doctrine of works?

Is Abraham self justified in his faith or counted righteous by God according to God's judgment is the question.

Exo_33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy

God will judge.... So does God apply the judgment, or do WE judge that our faith is like Abraham and WE judge ourselves righteous??

Do people see the difference?

Someone who disagrees with you must be self-justified? Non-sequitor. Maybe I'm dreaming too low . . . maybe a dime for every time you guys use a logical fallacy . . . Yes . . . . that'll do it!

The Bible tells what true faith is. I am not justifed by myself, but, Listen . . . are you listening? I'm not justified by you.

Romans 5:1-2 NLT
(1) Therefore, since we have been made right in God's sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us.
(2) Because of our faith, Christ has brought us into this place of highest privilege where we now stand, and we confidently and joyfully look forward to sharing God's glory.

Romans 3:19-28 NLT
(19) Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses and to bring the entire world into judgment before God.
(20) For no one can ever be made right in God's sight by doing what his law commands. For the more we know God's law, the clearer it becomes that we aren't obeying it.
(21) But now God has shown us a different way of being right in his sight--not by obeying the law but by the way promised in the Scriptures long ago.
(22) We are made right in God's sight when we trust in Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, no matter who we are or what we have done.
(23) For all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious standard.
(24) Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins.
(25) For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us. God was being entirely fair and just when he did not punish those who sinned in former times.
(26) And he is entirely fair and just in this present time when he declares sinners to be right in his sight because they believe in Jesus.
(27) Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds. It is based on our faith.
(28) So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

I am not great at all Arnie. I am dead. Only Christ lives in me. The same Christ that lives in Episkopos and Axehead and Dragonfly...

I don't bash anybody, I only rebuke those who bash the children of God. Such as you, haz, brother dave, stan yies1 and others who show forth such disgusting and vile words against the Lord's annointed and add all your own carnal ideas and theology into God's message rendering it to no affect, making yourselves into minions of satan and false prophets.

It is so obvious. Your hell is almost complete.

I bear witness against you in the Name and Power of Christ Jesus that your sins against me in your words, the sins against my brethren and your ugly words sinning against the Lord, reaches up to Heaven and you are weighed in the scales and found wanting.
The writing is on the wall unless you repent of your wickedness against the Spirit of God .

Word to the wise
Whitestone

Galatians 3
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[sup]a[/sup] the flesh?

Christ lives in those who believe, not in those who behave.

Consider the logic in this simple statement of Scritpure. These Galatians, who are trying to become completed in the flesh, began in the Spirit. They received the Spirit, but were now off track. They received the Spirit by faith, not works. And having received the Spirit, they still were being pulled into a works doctrine. Paul calls this being foolish.

Your words are wrong.

 

[dragonfly]

Hi Mark,

Here's a simple question which may help you to disentangle this discussion a little more for our readers.

When your NLT at the beginning of Rom 5:2, states, 'Because of our faith', just exactly what does 'our faith' (or 'their faith') really mean - when all the verses about faith relating specifically to how salvation works are taken into account to interpret those phrases?

I believe that to restrict our understanding to the same limits as Jesus and the apostles, is essential.

If we have our definition of faith wrong by biblical standards, then how could it save us?

 

[haz]

To you, these are two different things?

John 17:1-3 NLT
(1) When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he looked up to heaven and said, "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you.
(2) For you have given him authority over everyone in all the earth. He gives eternal life to each one you have given him.
(3) And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.



If I may be so bold as to jump in alongside Dave . . .

It tells me differently from what you have been saying, that is why your answer is of particular interest.

There really is no two ways about Abraham, and the Bible holds him up as the example. That's why this is important.



What is the sense of this question?

Do you suggest man justifies other men, or himself???



Nothing more than a distraction. When it gets difficult, you and your friends have this pattern. Rather than actually respond to the statements made, you would rather just make some lofty sounding insinuation that you are the only wise, everyone else so fallen.

If I only had a dime for everytime I've seen on this form how you and your friends have avoided answering the difficult questions with this ploy.



Is that honestly what you think Dave is saying????

Do you actually think Dave is suggesting that Dave saves?

Or is this simply yet another way of not answering what you KNOW cannot be answered according to your doctrine of works?



Someone who disagrees with you must be self-justified? Non-sequitor. Maybe I'm dreaming too low . . . maybe a dime for every time you guys use a logical fallacy . . . Yes . . . . that'll do it!

The Bible tells what true faith is. I am not justifed by myself, but, Listen . . . are you listening? I'm not justified by you.

Romans 5:1-2 NLT
(1) Therefore, since we have been made right in God's sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us.
(2) Because of our faith, Christ has brought us into this place of highest privilege where we now stand, and we confidently and joyfully look forward to sharing God's glory.

Romans 3:19-28 NLT
(19) Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses and to bring the entire world into judgment before God.
(20) For no one can ever be made right in God's sight by doing what his law commands. For the more we know God's law, the clearer it becomes that we aren't obeying it.
(21) But now God has shown us a different way of being right in his sight--not by obeying the law but by the way promised in the Scriptures long ago.
(22) We are made right in God's sight when we trust in Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, no matter who we are or what we have done.
(23) For all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious standard.
(24) Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins.
(25) For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us. God was being entirely fair and just when he did not punish those who sinned in former times.
(26) And he is entirely fair and just in this present time when he declares sinners to be right in his sight because they believe in Jesus.
(27) Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds. It is based on our faith.
(28) So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.




Galatians 3
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[sup]a[/sup] the flesh?

Christ lives in those who believe, not in those who behave.

Consider the logic in this simple statement of Scritpure. These Galatians, who are trying to become completed in the flesh, began in the Spirit. They received the Spirit, but were now off track. They received the Spirit by faith, not works. And having received the Spirit, they still were being pulled into a works doctrine. Paul calls this being foolish.

Your words are wrong.

AMEN !

The 'ploys', 'obfuscation', 'complicated', 'ambiguous', tactics used by the likes of Epi, Prentis and Co, has been recognized by many here. It's just like we see in Eph 4:14 'the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting'.

Interesting that their false gospel demands perfect lifestyle/behavior as proof one is abiding in Christ, yet they should use such deceitful tactics. Their dishonesty is not the perfect behavior their false gospel demands as proof of abiding in Christ.

 

[brother dave]

Hi Mark,

Here's a simple question which may help you to disentangle this discussion a little more for our readers.

When your NLT at the beginning of Rom 5:2, states, 'Because of our faith', just exactly what does 'our faith' (or 'their faith') really mean - when all the verses about faith relating specifically to how salvation works are taken into account to interpret those phrases?

I believe that to restrict our understanding to the same limits as Jesus and the apostles, is essential.

If we have our definition of faith wrong by biblical standards, then how could it save us?

HOW DID ABRAHAMS FAITH SAVE HIM? AND YOU GOT US! ALREADY YOU AND YOUR HATE FILLED FRIENDS ARE THE ONLY SAVED PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE WORLD! WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING FOR? YOUR SAVED AND WE ARE NOT! WE GET IT! if you dont mind we would like to talk some about how good it would be to be saved? and forever be in His love and mercy!

I BET! "IF" THE BILBLE SAID "YOU MUST EAT BLUE-BERRIES TO BE SAVED"? THIS BUNCH WOULD FIRST TRY TO PLACE DOUBT ON THE COLOR BLUE! THEN ON WHAT IS REALLY A BERRY? AND THEN SAY IF YOU GET A LITTLE BLUE STAIN ON YOUR LIPS? YOU LOSE IT ALL! WHAT A BUNCH OF NONSENSE!

HOW DID ABRAHAMS FAITH SAVE HIM? AND YOU GOT US! ALREADY YOU AND YOUR HATE FILLED FRIENDS ARE THE ONLY SAVED PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE WORLD! WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING FOR? YOUR SAVED AND WE ARE NOT! WE GET IT! if you dont mind we would like to talk some about how good it would be to be saved? and forever be in His love and mercy!

I BET! "IF" THE BILBLE SAID "YOU MUST EAT BLUE-BERRIES TO BE SAVED"? THIS BUNCH WOULD FIRST TRY TO PLACE DOUBT ON THE COLOR BLUE! THEN ON WHAT IS REALLY A BERRY? AND THEN SAY IF YOU GET A LITTLE BLUE STAIN ON YOUR LIPS? YOU LOSE IT ALL! WHAT A BUNCH OF NONSENSE!

SATANS SAME OLD TRICK! "DID God really say?" and "IF your really a son of God?"
BUT RESIST THE DEVIL AND he will always flee!

 

[Prentis]

Abraham was visited by God himself! If that is not enough to convince men he had intimacy with God then I don't know what is... :huh:

The irony here is that none of us are claiming to be saved (in the eternal secure with no possibility of rejection sense that is meant) but rather are claiming that indeed Christ has made a way by which we can be connected directly to him and empowered to actually fulfill the demands of God's law as it is meant. On the other hand all these people who do not believe such an intimacy is possible and who do not believe in overcoming sin and the old nature are claiming they are saved by their own faith.

God has made a way so that all who would can enter and be with him, just as he is. May those who have ears to hear and eyes to see perceive it! And may we enter therein by faith!

 

[Axehead]

John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Dave, what are the works of Abraham that Jesus is referring to?

Axehead

 

[dragonfly]

Hi all,

Prentis has it sussed ( sussed = reconnoitred and mapped),

are claiming they are saved by their own faith

This is partly due to minority text translations which, once altered even more in syntax by the use of modern (easy-to-understand) English, leads further - not closer - to understanding the spiritual dynamic by which saving faith comes to us.

Another thinking error is to project this misinformation on to Bible characters like Abraham, despite that a close reading of the New Testament should remove all confusion. And yet another part to the 'faith' riddle, is that the natural man doesn't want to die. Any way in which the cross can be avoided allows another plank to be laid on sand, upon which to build more of what can be only temporary accommodation. But it's so tempting, it's almost irresistable.

 

[brother dave]

John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Dave, what are the works of Abraham that Jesus is referring to?

Axehead

My friend, the works of Abraham are all works of faith. and Abraham is so honored in the scriptures !That one could
miss part of his works of faith.having said that i believe Heb 11 is the best overall example.
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
Heb 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

MOSES WAS NOT EVEN IN THE WORLD!

Hi all,

Prentis has it sussed ( sussed = reconnoitred and mapped),



This is partly due to minority text translations which, once altered even more in syntax by the use of modern (easy-to-understand) English, leads further - not closer - to understanding the spiritual dynamic by which saving faith comes to us.

Another thinking error is to project this misinformation on to Bible characters like Abraham, despite that a close reading of the New Testament should remove all confusion. And yet another part to the 'faith' riddle, is that the natural man doesn't want to die. Any way in which the cross can be avoided allows another plank to be laid on sand, upon which to build more of what can be only temporary accommodation. But it's so tempting, it's almost irresistable.

funny! is this the same one who tried to establish Moses before Abraham?
complex! complex! and a blueberry is not really blue? WE ALL SEE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE! BUT WHY ARE YOU HERE ON THIS FORUM? DID YOU STOP GOING DOOR TO DOOR? AND NOW YOU HAVE TO EARN YOUR SALVATION BY MAKING SO MANY IGNORANT POST A DAY?

Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
I WILL NOT YIELD THE GOSPEL NO NOT FOR ONE HOUR!
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

KNOW THIS! satans POWER OVER THE CHURCH IS WHEN he CAN BRING BACK THE LAW! AND THIS GROUP IS EITHER MISLEAD OR WITH EVIL HEARTS TRYING TO BRING BACK THE LAW! FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING POWER BACK TO THE DEMONIC REALM!

 

[haz]

Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Hi brother dave,

I liked the blueberry example of the works crowd here. It's fitting, especially for Epi and Prentis.

 

[us2are1]

The Gospel of Grace: --- All scriptures from the NKJV
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After studying the Scriptures for over 60 years and writing many articles contradicting the writings of those that place their faith in their religions and religious practices, I have concluded that most will not believe what I write here. However, I am going to write what I believe to be the true Gospel of God’s grace based on the work of Jesus Christ on the cross.
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The true Gospel of Grace is that God has now concluded ALL men are hopelessly lost and are continually sinful in the flesh. Since that is true, based on the law, then God is totally fair in offering salvation based on the work of His Son, Jesus Christ, on the cross. The blood of His Son, Jesus Christ, covers ALL the sins of anyone that will place ALL their belief, faith, trust, confidence, and hope in the work of God on the cross. These are betting their eternal life on the work of God and are made children of God in Christ.
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It makes me sad to understand that most men/women do not really do this. They seem to place their salvation on religious activities and their works. They believe in the “social/moral gospel” taught by religions. In reality they place their trust in what they do, not what God has done. They cannot deny themselves and follow Jesus. They will not relinquish control of their salvation to God and, instead, place their bets on what they “do for God“, not on what God has done for them.
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The following Scriptures show us that it is the work of God that saves.
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2 Cor 1:20-22
20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God,
22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
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Rom 8:35-39
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written:
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"For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
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37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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2 Tim 1:8-12
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,
9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.
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1 Peter 1:3-5
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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1 Cor 15:56-58
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
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1 John 5:4-5
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith.
5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
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All those that place ALL their belief, faith, trust, confidence, and hope in the work of God on the cross are kept by the power of God, not by their own power. Many do not believe this and I, personally, believe them to be hopelessly lost.

This scripture was written by a eye witness and he says that ungodly sinners are not saved.
1 Peter 4
17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? [background=rgb(246, 246, 152)]18 Now "If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?" [/background]19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.

 

[brother dave]

This scripture was written by a eye witness and he says that ungodly sinners are not saved.
1 Peter 4
17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? [background=rgb(246, 246, 152)]18 Now "If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?" [/background]19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.

LOOK! we get it! you guys are the only ones who are saved! and we are really honored ,to know such great and holy ones such as you! so if you dont mind? let us talk about the goodness and glory of Jesus! and we know its not for us but we really love Him! even if we are not saved?

1Pe 4:8 but before all things having fervent love among yourselves, because love covers a multitude of sins;
1Pe 4:9 hospitable one to another, without murmuring;
1Pe 4:10 each according as he has received a gift, ministering it to one another, as good stewards of the various grace of God.
1Pe 4:11 If any one speak--as oracles of God; if any one minister--as of strength which God supplies; that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom is the glory and the might for the ages of ages. Amen.


"TO OBEY THE GOSPEL"? THE GOOD NEWS! TO TURN FROM THE WORKS OF THE LAW! SALVATION BY FAITH ALONE!
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

ALL MEN WILL BE JUDGED BY PAULS GOSPEL! IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT BETWEEN PAUL AND PETER? THEN YOU ARE THE ONE IN ERROR NOT THEM!

WHEN YOU TAKE A SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT? ALL YOU HAVE IS A "CON"
1Pe 4:17

For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God. And if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who refuse to obey the gospel of God?
1Pe 4:18


"If it is hard for the righteous person to be saved, what will happen to the ungodly and sinful person?"
1Pe 4:19

So then, those who suffer according to God's will should entrust their souls to a faithful Creator and continue to do what is good.

 

[Episkopos]

LOOK! we get it! you guys are the only ones who are saved! and we are really honored ,to know such great and holy ones such as you! so if you dont mind? let us talk about the goodness and glory of Jesus! and we know its not for us but we really love Him! even if we are not saved?

1Pe 4:8 but before all things having fervent love among yourselves, because love covers a multitude of sins;
1Pe 4:9 hospitable one to another, without murmuring;
1Pe 4:10 each according as he has received a gift, ministering it to one another, as good stewards of the various grace of God.
1Pe 4:11 If any one speak--as oracles of God; if any one minister--as of strength which God supplies; that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom is the glory and the might for the ages of ages. Amen.


"TO OBEY THE GOSPEL"? THE GOOD NEWS! TO TURN FROM THE WORKS OF THE LAW! SALVATION BY FAITH ALONE!
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

ALL MEN WILL BE JUDGED BY PAULS GOSPEL! IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT BETWEEN PAUL AND PETER? THEN YOU ARE THE ONE IN ERROR NOT THEM!

WHEN YOU TAKE A SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT? ALL YOU HAVE IS A "CON"
1Pe 4:17

For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God. And if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who refuse to obey the gospel of God?
1Pe 4:18


"If it is hard for the righteous person to be saved, what will happen to the ungodly and sinful person?"
1Pe 4:19

So then, those who suffer according to God's will should entrust their souls to a faithful Creator and continue to do what is good.

Dave, you have gone off half-cocked thinking that God is finished with your discipleship whereas in fact you have not started to be discipled yet. You are claiming to be rich because of grace...but you are given grace as a means to produce DEATH first in you. The grace is your life support...not your boasting. Once you go through the death with Christ the grace in you kicks in so that you can walk in the power of Christ's resurrection. You are making a division between those who have gone to the cross and those who claim to be justified without going to the cross. The rebellious attitude you have is due to the old nature that you are still living from. Go through with the process of salvation. Surrender everything to God...and wait on the Lord to kill what has empowered you to this very moment. Die so that you might live without sin. You are against this possibility because you are drawing water from an empty cistern. The old must give way before the new. Complete your equipping and training in the Spirit.

 

[brother dave]

Dave, you have gone off half-cocked thinking that God is finished with your discipleship whereas in fact you have not started to be discipled yet. You are claiming to be rich because of grace...but you are given grace as a means to produce DEATH first in you. The grace is your life support...not your boasting. Once you go through the death with Christ the grace in you kicks in so that you can walk in the power of Christ's resurrection. You are making a division between those who have gone to the cross and those who claim to be justified without going to the cross. The rebellious attitude you have is due to the old nature that you are still living from. Go through with the process of salvation. Surrender everything to God...and wait on the Lord to kill what has empowered you to this very moment. Die so that you might live without sin. You are against this possibility because you are drawing water from an empty cistern. The old must give way before the new. Complete your equipping and training in the Spirit.

BLA! BLA! BLA!
YOUR LITTLE HELPERS? CAN NOT TOUCH ME! i may take up serpents and scorpions!
BUT I DO THANK YOU ALL FOR MAKING IT SO EASY TO TEACH! for every false doctrine you present , the Holy Spirit teaches me to counter your every lie! so please continue! and be careful! for i am not sure He will allow your false teachings to go much further?

i must admit! this is kinda fun! and you guys are so easy to overcome! do you have ANY that are better trained?

 

[Episkopos]

BLA! BLA! BLA!
YOUR LITTLE HELPERS? CAN NOT TOUCH ME! i may take up serpents and scorpions!
BUT I DO THANK YOU ALL FOR MAKING IT SO EASY TO TEACH! for every false doctrine you present , the Holy Spirit teaches me to counter you every lie! so please continue! and be careful! for i am not sure He will allow your false teachings to go much further?

i must admit! this is kinda fun! and you guys are so easy to overcome! do you have any that are better trained?

You are fighting the wrong people. We are trying to help you get back onto the road that leads to life.

 

[dragonfly]

brother dave,

You are listening to the wrong spirit.

 

[brother dave]

brother dave,

You are listening to the wrong spirit.

WELL? THATS THE OPINION OF ONE WHO TRIED TO ESTABLISH MOSES BEFORE ABRAHAM! HA HA! You carry no weight with me! get honest in the scriptures and i might? consider your opinions?