Is Jesus the "third temple"?

[Earburner]

The text proves it so there is no arguing against it. You can't and haven't even addressed teh rule being in the future tense. It happens AFTER Armageddon. No Amill will even touch this fact. All false doctrines contradict the text of scripture. They can only exist in the imaginations of the believers.




Not all take the mark. The living survivors of the GT didn't and if those rebel Christians didn't and lived, so could many deceived non-Christians or former Christians.



Regarding the Earth and the Millenial kingdom: That is not a rule. You have made that up.

All does not mean every person else no one would be raptured. The 144k don't take it nor do the two witnesses. It means ALL in the sense of the most important people down to lowest people...ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE, ALL TYPES etc. The same language speaks of the types of people in the army of the beast in Rev 19.

You don't seem to understand, that no one who HAS the Spirit of Christ, in that Day, will be left behind.
All that will be left behind, will have taken the MoB, including Israel, and therefore shall literally fulfill Rom. 8:9.

KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10 is a simultaneous event of destruction to the unsaved and redemption to the saved.
[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Now, please compare verse 10 to verses 7-9:
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Q. When IS "WHEN"?
A. WHEN the Lord Jesus is revealed from Heaven, in all His visible and Immortal Glory.

 

[ewq1938]

You don't seem to understand, that no one who HAS the Spirit of Christ, in that Day, will be left behind.
All that will be left behind, will have taken the MoB, including Israel, and therefore shall literally fulfill Rom. 8:9.

That's false and I explained how and why and you avoided it.

KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10 is a simultaneous event of destruction to the unsaved and redemption to the saved.
[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Now, please compare verse 10 to verses 7-9:
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Q. When IS "WHEN"?
A. WHEN the Lord Jesus is revealed from Heaven, in all His visible and Immortal Glory.

Again you fail to understand verb tenses here. "shall be punished" is future tense meaning it doesn't happen at the second coming.

 

[ewq1938]

You seem to be pretty good at it yourself, by "laughing out loud" at me:
"lol, why do you think quoting Christ out of context helps you? It just shows you don''t understand what you are talking about."

It was taken out of context. Don't blame someone if they laugh at that.

 

[Earburner]

The text proves it so there is no arguing against it. You can't and haven't even addressed teh rule being in the future tense. It happens AFTER Armageddon. No Amill will even touch this fact. All false doctrines contradict the text of scripture. They can only exist in the imaginations of the believers.




Not all take the mark. The living survivors of the GT didn't and if those rebel Christians didn't and lived, so could many deceived non-Christians or former Christians.






Regarding the Earth and the Millenial kingdom: That is not a rule. You have made that up.



All does not mean every person else no one would be raptured. The 144k don't take it nor do the two witnesses. It means ALL in the sense of the most important people down to lowest people...ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE, ALL TYPES etc. The same language speaks of the types of people in the army of the beast in Rev 19.

Of course the 144,000 don't take the MoB, they were Israel of faith under the OC, "remembered" by God. They are shown "under the altar" of the OC, being given the permanent gift of God's Holy Spirit, soon after the resurrection of Christ, and are now written in the Lamb's book of Life.

The "two witnesses" also don't take the MoB, because they were John the Baptist and Jesus.

 

[Earburner]

It was taken out of context. Don't blame someone if they laugh at that.

1 Cor. 2:5

 

[ewq1938]

Of course the 144,000 don't take the MoB, they were Israel of faith under the OC, "remembered" by God.

No, they are Christians under the NT.

The "two witnesses" also don't take the MoB, because they were John the Baptist and Jesus.

No, they weren't "the two witnesses".

 

[Earburner]

That's false and I explained how and why and you avoided it.





Again you fail to understand verb tenses here. "shall be punished" is future tense meaning it doesn't happen at the second coming.

1 Cor. 2:5

 

[GISMYS_7]

Many little men say they believe this or that no matter what God's word says and they fall into satan's deception.

 

[Jay Ross]

Rev. 21
[10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy [heavenly-Gal. 4:26] Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

This is the passage that I was referring to: -

Isaiah 28:16-19: -

16So this is what the Lord GOD says:​

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,​

a tested stone,​

a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;​

the one who believes will never be shaken.​

17I will make justice the measuring line​

and righteousness the level.​

Hail will sweep away your refuge of lies,​

and water will flood your hiding place.​

18Your covenant with death will be dissolved,​

and your agreement with Sheol will not stand.​

When the overwhelming scourge passes through,​

you will be trampled by it.​

19As often as it passes through,​

it will carry you away;​

it will sweep through morning after morning,​

by day and by night.”​

​

My sense is that the context of Revelation 21:22 has not been expressed in the translation of this verse.

We are told that God will come down to the face of the earth to live with us.

[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Verse 22a tells us that there is no temple in the New Jerusalem where it states: "And I saw no temple therein;"

The second part of verse, 22b, tells us that: - "the New Jerusalem will become the dwelling place of both God and Christ." but to see this we have to search out the meanings of each of the Greek words in this verse to establish this.

Here is a copy of the Bible Hub's interlinear for this verse: -



Now if we consider the Greek word "naos" to see how it should be understood, then we will see the following: -



We can see that G3485 is a reference to where God dwells.

There are other scriptures which tell us that God will dwell among us.

You cannot have one part of verse 22 tell us that the New Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven will have no temple and then make a contrary statement where that Claim that God and Jesus are the temple in Jerusalem. To be consistent with other passages of scripture. God will dwell among his saints and the saints will join together to worship God and in that sense we stand on the corner stone of Christ and as Christ said in John 2:19, He will rebuild the temple after three days of the Lord, which is around 3,000 years from when Christ cleansed the Temple, where the saints who believe in Him are the Temple when we come together to worship God.

Yes, the Holy of Holies was part of the temple, but it was God's dwelling place while he inhabited the Temple before He caused the temple in Jerusalem to be destroyed.

Our translations are not as kosher as one would hope for.

Shalom

 

[Jay Ross]

Many little men say they believe this or that no matter what God's word says and they fall into satan's deception.

You should be careful throwing stones from your glass house. You too believe other parts of Satan's deceptions as well.

 

[Earburner]

No, they are Christians under the NT.

The 144,000, being literally from the tribes of Israel (symbolically 12,000 from each tribe), proves that they weren't of the NC, the Age of Grace, but rather of the OC the Age of lndignation.
Edit: (again, please compare Malachi 3:16 with Rev. 6:9-11. God did NOT forget those who were of faith under the OC, who were WAITING for the Promised one". JESUS' SHED BLOOD WAS FOR THEM ALSO.)

To make the case that the symbolic 144,000 are converted Jews in Christ, during the Age of Grace, is forcing one to disagree with the Holy Spirit through Paul: Rom. 10:8-13.
[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Edit: So, the question is, what is the difference between a converted Jew and a converted Gentile?
Ans. NOTHING. God is NOT making that distinction! All of such are of the great multitude.

 

[Earburner]

This is the passage that I was referring to: -

Isaiah 28:16-19: -

16So this is what the Lord GOD says:​

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,​

a tested stone,​

a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;​

the one who believes will never be shaken.​

17I will make justice the measuring line​

and righteousness the level.​

Hail will sweep away your refuge of lies,​

and water will flood your hiding place.​

18Your covenant with death will be dissolved,​

and your agreement with Sheol will not stand.​

When the overwhelming scourge passes through,​

you will be trampled by it.​

19As often as it passes through,​

it will carry you away;​

it will sweep through morning after morning,​

by day and by night.”​

​

My sense is that the context of Revelation 21:22 has been expressed in the translation of this verse.

We are told that God will come down to the face of the earth to live with us.

[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Verse 22a tells us that there is no temple in the New Jerusalem where it states: "And I saw no temple therein;"

The second part of verse, 22b, tells us that: - "the New Jerusalem will become the dwelling place of both God and Christ." but to see this we have to search out the meanings of each of the Greek words in this verse to establish this.

Here is a copy of the Bible Hub's interlinear for this verse: -

View attachment 35817

Now if we consider the Greek word "naos" to see how it should be understood, then we will see the following: -

View attachment 35818

We can see that G3485 is a reference to where God dwells.

There are other scriptures which tell us that God will dwell among us.

You cannot have one part of verse 22 tell us that the New Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven will have no temple and then make a contrary statement where that Claim that God and Jesus are the temple in Jerusalem. To be consistent with other passages of scripture. God will dwell among his saints and the saints will join together to worship God and in that sense we stand on the corner stone of Christ and as Christ said in John 2:19, He will rebuild the temple after three days of the Lord, which is around 3,000 years from when Christ cleansed the Temple, where the saints who believe in Him are the Temple when we come together to worship God.

Yes, the Holy of Holies was part of the temple, but it was God's dwelling place while he inhabited the Temple before He caused the temple in Jerusalem to be destroyed.

Our translations are not as kosher as one would hope for.

Shalom

For all who are born again, the dwelling place of God is within us. We each ourselves are the New earth of God's dwelling place, and Jesus is our New Heaven. 2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

We who are of faith in Christ, are waiting for the Day of His return, to be made after the likeness of His Immortality.
2 Peter 3
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, WHEREIN dwelleth [His] righteousness.
We ourselves ARE that holy city, being saints from the OC and saints from the NC. Gal. 4
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

 

[ewq1938]

The 144,000, being literally from the tribes of Israel (symbolically 12,000 from each tribe), proves that they weren't of the NC, the Age of Grace, but rather of the OC the Age of lndignation.

No, that doesn't prove that at all. It says they follow Christ, so that makes them Christians. Many Christians today and for centuries have been from the 12 tribes racially.

 

[Earburner]

That's false and I explained how and why and you avoided it.





Again you fail to understand verb tenses here. "shall be punished" is future tense meaning it doesn't happen at the second coming.

The "future tense" was written in the past, shortly after Pentecost. From that point (the beginning of God's Age of Grace), it indeed is "future tense"....still.

KJV Luke 17:28-30* thoroughly describes it, of "WHEN" the manifestation of the Lord's Glorious coming is from Heaven takes place, that is "WHEN" their punishment of eternal death and destruction "shall be".

"WHEN"?
"WHEN" He shall come in flaming fire, taking vengeance....

"WHEN"?
"WHEN" He shall be glorified in His Saints.....IN THAT DAY.
Rom. 8:9 will definitely apply to all who ARE NOT glorified....in that day.

*Note: "Remember Lot's wife"- Luke 17:32

 

[Earburner]

No, that doesn't prove that at all. It says they follow Christ, so that makes them Christians. Many Christians today and for centuries have been from the 12 tribes racially.

Who did you think that the saints of the OC were following in the wilderness with Moses? Acts 7:37-38.

All Jews, since Pentecost, who are born again, will be of the great multitude.

 

[Jay Ross]

For all who are born again, the dwelling place of God is within us. We each ourselves are the New earth of God's dwelling place, and Jesus is our New Heaven. 2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

We who are of faith in Christ, are waiting for the Day of His return, to be made after the likeness of His Immortality.
2 Peter 3
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, WHEREIN dwelleth [His] righteousness.
We ourselves ARE that holy city, being saints from the OC and saints from the NC. Gal. 4
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

I am not sure that you really understand what you are posting. It seems that you are a student of the KJV. Look for the right context in the portions translated that you post.

I also am not wanting to enter into a scripture posting battle to convince you of anything.

Goodbye.

 

[ewq1938]

The "future tense" was written in the past, shortly after Pentecost. From that point (the beginning of God's Age of Grace), it indeed is "future tense"....still.

Nope. John saw the events of Rev 19 and wrote the SMITING and TREADING in the present tense because they were happening at Armageddon but the RULE was written in the future tense because it was something that would happen after Armageddon.

Your assertion that it was wruitten long ago so it's all future tense is...well, absurd, and ignorant of Greek grammar. Not nice try though.

 

[ewq1938]

Who did you think that the saints of the OC were following in the wilderness with Moses? Acts 7:37-38.

All Jews, since Pentecost, who are born again, will be of the great multitude.

The 144k are Jewish people of all 12 tribes that are Christians and live in the end times. The OC saints will take part in the first resurrection and rule with Christ and all other overcomers during the Mill.

 

[Jay Ross]

Nope. John saw the events of Rev 19 and wrote the SMITING and TREADING in the present tense because they were happening at Armageddon but the RULE was written in the future tense because it was something that would happen after Armageddon.

Your assertion that it was written long ago so it's all future tense is...well, absurd, and ignorant of Greek grammar. Not nice try though.

Armageddon is a near future event. Daniel told us in the Statute prophecy that God's everlasting kingdom would be established during the time of the kings of the fifth segment of the statue. The fourth segment was established over the land of Babylon in 1926 AD by France and Britian when they divided up the spoils of war with the defeat of the Otterman Empire The kings of the earth who have been part of the Little Horn's trampling of God's earthly hosts, the Israelite, will be judged at Armageddon along with the heavenly hosts in heaven and together they will be imprisoned for many days in the Bottomless pit, namely for 1,000 years. It is around this time that the Everlasting Kingdom will be established by God and all of Israel will be saved. By my reckoning, this should happen in the next 20-25 years from now.

The described Rev 19 battle is also described in Ezekiel 38 - 39. The beast and the false prophet, called the Little Horn in the OT, occurs after both the beast and the false prophet rise up out of the Bottomless Pit at the end of their 1,000 years of imprisonment, and the events in Jerusalem, with the killing of the two prophets in Jerusalem and the Rev 13 events where the beast and the image of the beast will be worshipped then happen. After this time the beast and the false prophet will be captured by Christ and dispatched into the Lake of Fire, followed shortly afterwards by the capture of Satan and his dispatching into the lake of Fire.

There is little logic being used to unravel the sequence of the event in the Book of Revelation. There is so much misunderstanding presented in this thread about what will transpire, the events of the end times is lost in the posters rhetoric of their understanding.

Shalom

 

[ewq1938]

Armageddon is a near future event.

Impossible because the birth pangs (pre-trib) events have to happen, then the GT with the two beasts as well as the two witnesses, and at the end of the trib the two prophets are killed, resurrect and rise into heaven, that's the conclusion of the 6th trump, the 7th sounds and Christ returns, the resurrection and rapture happen and the 7 vials pour, the 6th vial being the one that allows the armies to gather at Armageddon.

Near future? Impossible.

Your chronology of events is also very wrong.