Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
this person just does not get it. Like the RYR himself. he does not understand his need for Christ.
How should we view the Rich Young Ruler?
- Thread starter Episkopos
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Like so many who profess Christ today...instead seeing Him only as a future get-out-of-hell card. OK, maybe a Genie too.... to get what you want in this life.
Last edited:
Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
We understand the law
Sadly. You do not.
You think you can get yourself out of hell
Good luck..
Like I said. You and the RYR are really no different. neither of you found the truth..
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
Interesting point. "... they did not think they needed a savior.."
Being under Roman occupation, they were looking for a political solution, a king.
Easy to lose sight of the BIG picture when someone/something else is oppressing you right now.
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
No, seriously. Here's why.
(saw the laugh rating) - LOL
As most of you know, I am a Christian Universalist.
So, that's how I am seeing "time in purgatory".
The RYR said he was a law-keeper. Many scoff, calling him a liar.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Not saying he's sinless, none of us are.
The discussion started with him calling Jesus "Good teacher..."
So, I think he was a follower with questions. Got that? He was a Jesus follower.
Synonymous with being a Christian today. For what it's worth.
In his Christ-following, he stopped short of selling everything and following Jesus.
Although, as I noted, he was already a follower.
Easy to judge him, but how many of us have answered that call
to sell everything and follow Jesus?
I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about the point of the story of the RYR.
It's not about whether the RYR will go to heaven, hell or Purgatory.
It's not about whether he's a follower of Jesus or not.
It's not about whether he's followed the commandments all his life or he's lying his you-know-what off about following them.
It's not about having to 'sell what you have' in order to follow Jesus.
It's about how it's almost impossible for people who have an attachment to the material world to be 'perfect' enough for heaven. Some people who have a lot of wealth often feel superior to those who don't. Many also feel that they don't need Jesus because they already have what they want. And still for others, no matter how much they have NOW, it will never be enough.
Now, that doesn't mean that all Christians should sell what they have, give it all to the poor (and become poor themselves) to follow Jesus. But they should instead be mindful about the 'riches' they have and of their attitudes toward those riches AND of their attitudes toward others who don't have what they have.
There ya go.
Jesus taught parables, and spoke.
Use the spirit my guy.
Always good to see some people think, all one possesses can be on the heart and to be mature in Christ without God on your heart its impossible with Man.
That is not it at all.
The rich young ruler was a self-righteous lying hypocrite. Jesus tried to convince him that he was a sinner in need of a savior, but he would not admit it. Hell is going to be full of rich young rulers. The wealthy think that they are without sin.
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
You go on and on about those you THINK have an unholy attachment to what God has blessed them with
and then behave as if you have an unholy attachment to your doctrinal opinions!
It would be difficult for a person who has plenty of money and hardly had any trouble with the law, who would be in a mindset of pride by the materialistic worldly standardard, to see the need for Jesus.
The Pharisees in that day set aside the commandments of God for their traditions and they were rich, and loved to be treated with respect in the marketplace.
You keep learning and keep seeking God and share what you learn with others, friend thats my encouragment, and dont let comments deter you from the Master; the Lord Yeshua.
Off to bed here gotta work; gonna read some od the bible before hand
Have a good night sir/maam.
Fame, status, all the stuff…
Jesus had none of ! Jesus made himself of no reputation.
Philippians 2:7-10
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
See ya, you all have a good night.
Jesus had none of ! Jesus made himself of no reputation.
Philippians 2:7-10
King James Version
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
See ya, you all have a good night.
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
Let's take another look.
I have two concerns:
1) Why do you attack (single out) those whom God has, again. God has blessed materially?
2) What do you mean, "to be 'perfect' enough for heaven"?
Can ANYONE be perfect enough for heaven?
Please explain, in case I misunderstood you.
James 1:17 NIV
Every good and perfect gift is from above,
coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights,
who does not change like shifting shadows.
Last edited:
Where in the Bible does it mention a purgatory? The Catholic church is full of fairytales.
I think you did misunderstand.
First of all, *I'm* not "attacking" those whom God has blessed materially. What I wrote was, "It's about how it's almost impossible for people who have an attachment to the material world to be 'perfect' enough for heaven." I was not speaking about ALL rich people, but only those rich who have an attachment to the material world. Obviously, SOME rich people are NOT attached to the material world.
But even Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven." Some translations read that it's "difficult" or "especially difficult" or even "terribly difficult" etc. So, how "hard" is it?
According to Jesus, "...it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” So, how easy is that?
So, while God may have blessed some people with material wealth, WHY do you suppose he did that? Used to be (and even today, some still believe what I'm about to write) that the Jews believed that if one had material wealth (from God), that it was God's way of "finding favor" with that person. In other words, the more wealthy you were, the "better" you were, in God's eyes.
Jesus had a lot to say about wealth, and most of it...not so good.
Apparently, the answer to the bolded is YES. After all, what's 'perfect' in OUR eyes isn't necessarily 'perfect' in GOD'S eyes, and what's perfect in God's eyes may not be perfect in ours.
Last edited:
Perfect in greek means mature or complete.
Strong's Concordance
teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Definition: having reached its end, complete, perfect
Usage: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5046 téleios (an adjective, derived from 5056 /télos, "consummated goal") – mature (consummated) from going through the necessary stages to reach the end-goal, i.e. developed into a consummating completion by fulfilling the necessary process (spiritual journey). See 5056 (telos).
[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]
Strong's Concordance
teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Definition: having reached its end, complete, perfect
Usage: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5046 téleios (an adjective, derived from 5056 /télos, "consummated goal") – mature (consummated) from going through the necessary stages to reach the end-goal, i.e. developed into a consummating completion by fulfilling the necessary process (spiritual journey). See 5056 (telos).
[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]
Last edited:
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
If you continue in religious bigotry I will terminate discussion with you.
You should be respectful of ALL of our brothers and sisters in Christ.
There is no excuse for what you wrote. IMHO
As I wrote, I'm a Christian Universalist. The term "purgatory" was included in one of the
poll vote choice responses. I don't need to defend the writing in the poll responses.
I do believe in an Age of Restoration.
Jesus said, "Everyone will be salted with fire." - Mark 9:49 NIV
And we know that every knee will bow and every tongue confess...
When and where does this happen?
Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Acts 3:21 NIV
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.
Similar threads
