One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

[No Pre-TB]

You are misunderstanding the verse where it says there are no Jews or Gentiles in Christ. The point is they are equal not that races (or gender) doesn't exist in the church.

I'm not misunderstanding the verse at all. I'm aware the Jews following Christ at that time did not yet understand that Christ was sent not only for them, but for the world. And knowing that, it doesn't change who was born from a physical descendant of a Jew vs. someone from another tribe. The spiritual component is what matters, not the physical one. That was my point.

 

[teamventure]

What does that even mean? Do you think all scripture is plainly stated?


You just don't get it. Let me remind you of what you said in the original post:

So, your argument here against a post-trib rapture is that it can't be possible if all believers are raptured at the second coming and all unbelievers are killed, leaving "no one left in mortal bodies to live into the 1,000 year reign and re-populate the earth." Right?

Well, that's an argument only against the post-trib, Premil view, but not against the post-trib, Amil view. What you said there gives the impression that you are a Premil since you didn't mention any other option. You understand that, right? So, that's why Premil and Amil were brought into the discussion.

What you originally said is an argument for post-trib Premils to consider and address, but it's not a problem for post-trib Amils since we agree with you that all unbelievers will be killed at His second coming. With all believers being changed to have immortal bodies, that doesn't leave any mortals to populate the earth at that time.

So, I'm simply pointing out that your original argument is not a problem for post-trib Amils. So, you should either modify your claim to say that a post-trib rapture isn't possible only from the Premil perspective or address why you also don't think it's possible from the Amil perspective if you think that a post-trib rapture isn't possible at all.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[teamventure]

So do you agree with my understanding of 2Thess 1 passage?

If that doesnt make you an Amill then what are you?

I'm just someone who reads the Bible and believes it. I don't buy everything that Premil teaches either.

 

[teamventure]

Looks? That is what natural man foolishly thinks.

1Co 2:13-14
(13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Many people don't understand the full importance of the verses because they are confused about the language of the animals and children dwelling together. This is SPIRITUAL language, and all we have to do is SEARCH the Scripture to KNOW what God has in mind! Wolves, Leopards, Lions, Bears, beasts, and snakes (vipers, asps, and cockatrices) are used in Scripture to describe Satan, his kingdom, and all those who follow him. For example:

Mat 7:15
(15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 23:32-33
(32) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
(33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

1Co 15:32
(32) If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

The imagery of these animals and children together in God's Holy Mountain speaks of the fact that the believers (wheat) and unbelievers (tares) will dwell side by side in the kingdom (the church) just as we see in the NT.

Mat 13:27-30
(27) So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
(28) He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
(29) But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
(30) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The lion eating straw like the ox refers to the fact that Satan's followers (the tares) will pretend to be believers, and n many cases will be mistaken for believers (the exact same idea as wolves in sheep's clothing). This is why we are given so many warnings about the false prophets, false teachers, and false christs who will dwell during the New Testament millennial kingdom only to increase more in the end prior to Christ's coming.

2Co 11:13-15
(13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
(14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
(15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The children playing on the ends of these poisonous snakes, is demonstrating that even through thebelievers and unbeleives are together, the chosen believers have nothing to fear. Satan's followers cannot harm them because they have overcome by the sacrifice of Christ at the Cross and the power of the Holy Spirit within them. Like Christ warned:

Luk 10:17-20
(17) And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
(18) And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
(19) Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
(20) Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

The children will not have to worry about being harmed by false prophets, false christs, or professed Christians in God's New Testament congregation that these evil animals represent. Therefore, Isisah was NOT talking about a child literally playing with snakes here.

First off, that passage in 1Cor does not mean that being spiritually discerned people know non literal passages.
It means spiritually discerned people can see when something is spiritual instead of just natural.

Secondly, you are wrong about the wheat and the tares. They are growing together now so there is no need for the wheat and tares to grow together in the 1,000 years to fulfill that prophecy.
And either way scripture says they will be burned.

Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”
Matthew 13:30 NIV

 

[TribulationSigns]

First off, that passage in 1Cor does not mean that being spiritually discerned people know non literal passages.
It means spiritually discerned people can see when something is spiritual instead of just natural.

Not correct.

A sound hermeneutic "must" be tied to the anchor that Scripture is the ultimate authority, it cannot be gainsaid or resisted, it requires surrender, and "it interprets itself." For God is both the author and finisher of our faith, and truth is discerned by the Spirit in us moving us to compare spiritual things with spiritual. Interpreting Scripture by the mind of Christ that we as regenerated souls have. The unassailable hermeneutic which the natural man cannot receive (2nd Timothy 3:7) because he is at enmity with the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:10) nd authority of Scripture. It is by this Spirit that we not only receive the knowledge of truth in the word, but instruction through the mind of Christ unto wisdom. Knowing God's word, through God's word, truth revealed through His Spirit. As it is written:

1st Corinthians 2:11-16

• "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
• Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
• Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
• But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
• But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
• For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

Who has known and who hath instructed (Isaiah 40:13-14). The messengers of God whose word cannot be gainsaid nor resisted. At least, not in a righteous way. This principle guides and governs a sound hermeneutic or system of interpretive theology. Each one of us should have this very strong system determined as our ground before our beliefs are systematized. However, in our day and age, methodologies in practice often reveal the reverse is true. Our hermeneutic is often learned from teachers or authors and not gleaned from Scripture.

Secondly, you are wrong about the wheat and the tares. They are growing together now so there is no need for the wheat and tares to grow together in the 1,000 years to fulfill that prophecy.
And either way scripture says they will be burned.

Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”
Matthew 13:30 NIV

This is based on flawed premillennial doctrine. The 1,000-year-old millennial kingdom will not happen in the future, but rather through the church after the Cross where wheat (Elect) and tares (professed Christians) grow together in New Testament congregation until Christ's Second Coming. That is when the harvest will take place on the Last Day. There won't be a time for 1,000 literal kingdoms (or even so-called 7-year tribulation) in the future. Sorry.

 

[jeffweeder]

I'm just someone who reads the Bible and believes it. I don't buy everything that Premil teaches either.

Maybe you can answer my questions once you make up your mind.
Its ok, we are here to talk about it.

 

[jeffweeder]

There is no mention of a resurrection nor reward to physically dead people period.

This is not a resurrection of the dead. It is the destruction of living humans at the Second Coming. That is all.

Scripture has Jesus coming to judge the living and the dead.
Scripture has God fixing a certain day where he executes final judgment.
All who have believed will collectively receive what is eternally promised whether living or dead.
So as I suggested , stick to the inspired text and Paul's whole council to the many Congregations he wrote to.

 

[teamventure]

Why do you ASSUME Zechariah is prophecy of the second coming of Christ? Why would he prophesy of a second coming since Christ had not yet come to earth the first time? Did or did not Christ stand on the Mt of Olives when He came to earth a man? What day of the LORD that cometh is Zechariah referring to here? Bear in mind Christ had not yet come to earth in the time of Zechariah.

Zechariah 14:1 (KJV) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

It is clearly a prediction of the second coming why are you assuming otherwise?
The old testament has end times prophecy in Daniel and other places, why would it need to be written after his first coming?

What other time would Christ stand on the Mt. of Olives and split it in two?

 

[jeffweeder]

No passage says that happens on the same day.

2thess 1 does say that. You ignore the obvious by butchering rev 20.
John, when he wrote that, he was referring to the Lord's instruction in Jn 5. How could he not?
The time for not coming into judgment is not relient on a future physical resurrection.

 

[TribulationSigns]

It is clearly a prediction of the second coming why are you assuming otherwise?
The old testament has end times prophecy in Daniel and other places, why would it need to be written after his first coming?

What other time would Christ stand on the Mt. of Olives and split it in two?

No Zechariah 14 is about the First Coming with the fall of the Old Testament congregation and the feast of Tabernacles in the New Testament congregation. The mountain signifies the kingdom which is the congregation of Israel. Therefore, the split of the mountain signifies the fall of the Old Testament congregation and made the way for Jewish remnants into the New Testament congregation after Pentecost.

Spiritual Discerned.

 

[ewq1938]

2thess 1 does say that.

Nope.

You ignore the obvious by butchering rev 20.

Nope.

John, when he wrote that, he was referring to the Lord's instruction in Jn 5. How could he not?

In Rev 20 John is speaking of the resurrection of the just, and in the middle of the chp the resurrection of the unjust. Inbetween he wrote that there is a thousand years. "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" proves this to be correct.

The time for not coming into judgment is not relient on a future physical resurrection.

Strawman fallacy.

 

[Timtofly]

Not true the sheep are made of both Jew and gentile

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

True, the sheep are the nation of Israel. The wheat are all the other nations. The wheat does not represent the Israelites. In Matthew we get two seperate accounts of the final harvest. Yet all on earth are harvested. Why conflate them, when they were separated for a reason? It is not that God is leaving any behind, so lumping everything together is missing the point.

 

[rwb]

It is clearly a prediction of the second coming why are you assuming otherwise?
The old testament has end times prophecy in Daniel and other places, why would it need to be written after his first coming?

What other time would Christ stand on the Mt. of Olives and split it in two?

The Old Covenant prophets foretell of the Messiah who would come to redeem His people. When the promised Messiah came, all that was written concerning Him would be fulfilled. The Day of the Lord, or the time of His coming began with the first advent and will not end until He comes again. You err in trying to read the prophets without understanding the prophecies foretold are written in much the same way the Revelation is. That is in signs and symbols.

 

[Timtofly]

Scripture has Jesus coming to judge the living and the dead.
Scripture has God fixing a certain day where he executes final judgment.
All who have believed will collectively receive what is eternally promised whether living or dead.
So as I suggested , stick to the inspired text and Paul's whole council to the many Congregations he wrote to.

I have more than you all do. That is the point. You take one verse, and then have to bend all Scripture to your single verse interpretation.

"Scripture has God fixing a certain day where he executes final judgment."

That is your single verse interpretation.

 

[teamventure]

No Zechariah 14 is about the First Coming with the fall of the Old Testament congregation and the feast of Tabernacles in the New Testament congregation. The mountain signifies the kingdom which is the congregation of Israel. Therefore, the split of the mountain signifies the fall of the Old Testament congregation and made the way for Jewish remnants into the New Testament congregation after Pentecost.

Spiritual Discerned.

Not spiritually discerned.

If that were the enterpretation of those verses it would be explained in scripture.

So where in scripture does it explain that the mount of Olives splitting in two means what you said?
It doesn't because it's the words of man.

 

[teamventure]

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 4:3‭-‬4 NIV

 

[TribulationSigns]

Not spiritually discerned.

Yes, it does.

If that were the enterpretation of those verses it would be explained in scripture.

Yes, it does.

So where in scripture does it explain that the mount of Olives splitting in two means what you said?
It doesn't because it's the words of man.

First, when someone reads Zechariah 14:1-2, do you understand it and what it means by spoil being divided?

Zec 14:1-2
(1) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
(2) For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

This chapter describes the great conflict or warfare of God's congregation (not the physical city of Jerusalem) and how her enemies bring her by force into spiritual captivity (Matthew 11:12). It explains how the coming of Christ ends the warfare and brings comfort to Jerusalem by setting her captives free and judging her enemies. Selah!

The language of "dividing the spoil" in the midst of Jerusalem is to signify the people (who are the spoil) being taken by the enemy. All these descriptive prophesies of Zechariah chapter 14 must be understood symbolically. The enemy took the spoil of the kingdom (which were God's people) and the Lord Jesus Christ brings restoration by defeating them and freeing the spoil from this enemy. Christ spoke of this in His parable about His kingdom, His defeat of the ruler Satan and His binding and spoiling of that house.

Matthew 12:25-29

• "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
• And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
• And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
• But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
• Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

This is a lesson Christ taught, He said that if He had cast out Satan by the power of God, then the Kingdom of God had come unto them. Satan is the enemy, this strong man illustrated here in this parable, and his spoil are those whom Christ came to release from bondage under Satan. But first Satan had to be bound which Christ did in Revelation 20:1-2. The same Kingdom that Christ said suffered violence and was taken by force by the enemies of God. Jesus took a remnant from those in control of the kingdom, returned the captivity (the spoil) and gave the kingdom to another (Matthew 21:43). All of these things of Zechariah 14, including the gathering of the nations/gentiles against Jerusalem as judgment, the mount of Olives (verses 2-4), the removal of the mountain, the fleeing to the valley, the great earthquake (verses 5-6), the neither light nor dark, the waters flowing from Jerusalem, earthquake and the one king over all the earth (Zechariah 14:7-9), it turning as a plain, Jerusalem again safely inhabited while there is judgment for her enemies as plagues (Zechariah 10-15), the assemblage of all nations at Jerusalem to keep the feast of tabernacles, the holiness to some and judgment to others, and the use of "every pot in Jerusalem and Judah" for sacrifice (Zechariah 16-21), is all part of this prophecy of the coming of Christ and must be understood symbolically.

When Zechariah 14:1 says "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee," that is describing the great conflict or warfare in God's kingdom on earth with the enemies that spoil her, before Christ comes to comfort Jerusalem, spoil the enemies and give the kingdom to others who will bring forth fruits. It speaks of the apostasy and conflict in Israel when Christ came and took the spoil of the enemy. As also Christ Himself taught in Luke chapter 11 when He said that "all that were not with Him were against Him." In other words, they were the enemies that fought against Him. Please read carefully:

Luke 11:20-22

• "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
• When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
• But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
• He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."

All that was not with Christ were the enemies that were gathered together against Jerusalem. These are they that fought against the Holy City, who were judged of the Lord for doing so, and the remnant enjoyed that prosperous estate promised by the Lord. It was Christ who freed the captivity and restored the Kingdom to Israel. Not as national Israel and Premillennialists dreamed, but as God had always intended.

As for Christ's feet would stand upon the Mount of Olives, the scripture says clearly He that fought against the nations was the Lord, and in that day His feet would stand upon the Mount of Olives before Jerusalem. This was Christ at His first advent. Scripture proof:

Matthew 21:1

• "And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,"

Matthew 24:3

• "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Christ made His triumphant Entry AS KING into Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives. Surely you don't believe this is all coincidence? Their King had come, He did fulfill Scripture, He did rule from Jerusalem, and Everlasting waters did flow. It's not a future occurrence, it is Done!
Christ did NOT literally split the mountain but to signify that the kingdom (Old Testament congregation of Israel) has fallen and he made a way for Jewish believers into the New Testament Gentile congregation where they will hold the Feast of the Tabernacles, spiritually! Not physically.

Again, those with spiritual eyes and ears will understand this in Scripture. Not someone who tries to interpret it with Jerusalem Post.

 

[teamventure]

Yes, it does.


Yes, it does.


First, when someone reads Zechariah 14:1-2, do you understand it and what it means by spoil being divided?

Zec 14:1-2
(1) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
(2) For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

This chapter describes the great conflict or warfare of God's congregation (not the physical city of Jerusalem) and how her enemies bring her by force into spiritual captivity (Matthew 11:12). It explains how the coming of Christ ends the warfare and brings comfort to Jerusalem by setting her captives free and judging her enemies. Selah!

The language of "dividing the spoil" in the midst of Jerusalem is to signify the people (who are the spoil) being taken by the enemy. All these descriptive prophesies of Zechariah chapter 14 must be understood symbolically. The enemy took the spoil of the kingdom (which were God's people) and the Lord Jesus Christ brings restoration by defeating them and freeing the spoil from this enemy. Christ spoke of this in His parable about His kingdom, His defeat of the ruler Satan and His binding and spoiling of that house.

Matthew 12:25-29

• "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
• And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
• And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
• But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
• Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

This is a lesson Christ taught, He said that if He had cast out Satan by the power of God, then the Kingdom of God had come unto them. Satan is the enemy, this strong man illustrated here in this parable, and his spoil are those whom Christ came to release from bondage under Satan. But first Satan had to be bound which Christ did in Revelation 20:1-2. The same Kingdom that Christ said suffered violence and was taken by force by the enemies of God. Jesus took a remnant from those in control of the kingdom, returned the captivity (the spoil) and gave the kingdom to another (Matthew 21:43). All of these things of Zechariah 14, including the gathering of the nations/gentiles against Jerusalem as judgment, the mount of Olives (verses 2-4), the removal of the mountain, the fleeing to the valley, the great earthquake (verses 5-6), the neither light nor dark, the waters flowing from Jerusalem, earthquake and the one king over all the earth (Zechariah 14:7-9), it turning as a plain, Jerusalem again safely inhabited while there is judgment for her enemies as plagues (Zechariah 10-15), the assemblage of all nations at Jerusalem to keep the feast of tabernacles, the holiness to some and judgment to others, and the use of "every pot in Jerusalem and Judah" for sacrifice (Zechariah 16-21), is all part of this prophecy of the coming of Christ and must be understood symbolically.

When Zechariah 14:1 says "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee," that is describing the great conflict or warfare in God's kingdom on earth with the enemies that spoil her, before Christ comes to comfort Jerusalem, spoil the enemies and give the kingdom to others who will bring forth fruits. It speaks of the apostasy and conflict in Israel when Christ came and took the spoil of the enemy. As also Christ Himself taught in Luke chapter 11 when He said that "all that were not with Him were against Him." In other words, they were the enemies that fought against Him. Please read carefully:

Luke 11:20-22

• "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
• When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
• But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
• He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."

All that was not with Christ were the enemies that were gathered together against Jerusalem. These are they that fought against the Holy City, who were judged of the Lord for doing so, and the remnant enjoyed that prosperous estate promised by the Lord. It was Christ who freed the captivity and restored the Kingdom to Israel. Not as national Israel and Premillennialists dreamed, but as God had always intended.

As for Christ's feet would stand upon the Mount of Olives, the scripture says clearly He that fought against the nations was the Lord, and in that day His feet would stand upon the Mount of Olives before Jerusalem. This was Christ at His first advent. Scripture proof:

Matthew 21:1

• "And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,"

Matthew 24:3

• "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Christ made His triumphant Entry AS KING into Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives. Surely you don't believe this is all coincidence? Their King had come, He did fulfill Scripture, He did rule from Jerusalem, and Everlasting waters did flow. It's not a future occurrence, it is Done!
Christ did NOT literally split the mountain but to signify that the kingdom (Old Testament congregation of Israel) has fallen and he made a way for Jewish believers into the New Testament Gentile congregation where they will hold the Feast of the Tabernacles, spiritually! Not physically.

Again, those with spiritual eyes and ears will understand this in Scripture. Not someone who tries to interpret it with Jerusalem Post.

Allegorical passages in scripture are explained in scripture. If a passage is allegorical without an explanation, you can take it and make it say anything you want. That is the root of much error and false teaching.

 

[marks]

Maybe your understanding of this passage misses the mark.
What makes you think satan is bound in the future instead of now?
Do you have any scriptures to offer?

1 Peter 5:8-9 KJV
8) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9) Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

When are you thinking he would have been bound?

Here Peter shows him "walking about", looking for people to eat.

Much love!

 

[jeffweeder]

1 Peter 5:8-9 KJV
8) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9) Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

When are you thinking he would have been bound?

I answered this in the post you quoted in your reply to me.
You just didn't post all of it.
What does 1 Pet 5:8-9 have to do with him being bound from deceiving? He is being overcome by those who resist.

satan has been rendered powerless and ineffective and impotent when it comes to deceiving the Nations.

We reign as we reconcile the world from the power s of darkness into his wonderful light.

Here is my whole post...,



Maybe your understanding of this passage misses the mark.
What makes you think satan is bound in the future instead of now?
Do you have any scriptures to offer?



It can be shown that the Lord has bound the strongman (satan) so he can claim his goods (humans). We are free from him who once held the keys of death...,


Rev 1
17 When I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. And He placed His right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last [absolute Deity, the Son of God], 18 and the Ever-living One [living in and beyond all time and space]. I died, but see, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of [absolute control and victory over] death and of Hades (the realm of the dead).

Hebrews 2:14
Therefore, since [these His] children share in flesh and blood [the physical nature of mankind], He Himself in a similar manner also shared in the same [physical nature, but without sin], so that through [experiencing] death He might make powerless (ineffective, impotent) him who had the power of death—that is, the devil—

2Thess 2 shows satan in a bound and restrained state today, who has his season of full activity just prior to the Lords coming...,
Check it out...,

7 For the mystery of lawlessness [rebellion against divine authority and the coming reign of lawlessness] is already at work; [but it is restrained] only until he who now restrains it is taken out of the way.

8 Then the lawless one [the Antichrist] will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by the appearance of His coming.

9 The coming of the [Antichrist, the lawless] one is through the activity of Satan, [attended] with great power [all kinds of counterfeit miracles] and [deceptive] signs and false wonders [all of them lies], 10 and by unlimited seduction to evil and with all the deception of wickedness for those who are perishing, because they did not welcome the love of the truth [of the gospel] so as to be saved [they were spiritually blind, and rejected the truth that would have saved them].

11 Because of this God will send upon them a misleading influence, [an activity of error and deception] so they will believe the lie, 12 in order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe the truth [about their sin, and the need for salvation through Christ], but instead took pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we should and are [morally] obligated [as debtors] always to give thanks to God for you, believers beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through the sanctifying work of the Spirit [that sets you apart for God’s purpose] and by your faith in the truth [of God’s word that leads you to spiritual maturity]. 14 It was to this end that He called you through our gospel [the good news of Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection], so that you may obtain and share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Be blessed.