Who is the Word of God, the Word of Life?

[amigo de christo]

Sorry if you desire to go against the truth...

Contextual reasoning supports that Jesus was talking to his disciples... to say Jesus is speaking to you directly is a falsehood.

HE was talking to his desciples . HE was warning them ,
just as those words STILL APPLY TO US mathew . I KNOW JESUS was speaking to his desciples .
Just like i know paul or peter was james or john was writing to the desicples of their days too .
BUT THEM WORDS STILL APPLY TO US my friend . See . see how simple that is .
The warnings about what was coming on the DAY OF THE LORD , still applies to us today .
Just as every word does .
Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS i have taught you . ALL things mathew
and each generation has done so througout the ages .

 

[MatthewG]

People suggest "Read that bible" if you are gonna "read that bible, you need to do rightly and properly."

Paul wrote about this to Timothy in his second letter.

 

[MatthewG]

HE was talking to his desciples . HE was warning them ,
just as those words STILL APPLY TO US mathew . I KNOW JESUS was speaking to his desciples .
Just like i know paul or peter was james or john was writing to the desicples of their days too .
BUT THEM WORDS STILL APPLY TO US my friend . See . see how simple that is .
The warnings about what was coming on the DAY OF THE LORD , still applies to us today .
Just as every word does .
Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS i have taught you . ALL things mathew
and each generation has done so througout the ages .

Did you not hear me say "there are spiritual principles that you can glean from them..."

However when it comes to say Jesus talks about the Olivet discourse, people make that out for today, but it is not for today.

How in the world are you gonna make this be for anyone today?

 

[Nancy]

Matthew does have a name, and we all see how you are dismissing him. If you don't agree, please stick with the OP and not the poster? If you disagree, please move on and nothing will come of it. No need to keep coming back to this thread.

Consider this a friendly warning!
So, fair?
Thank you

 

[MatthewG]

Matthew does have a name, and we all see how you are dismissing him. If you don't agree, please stick with the OP and not the poster? If you disagree, please move on and nothing will come of it. No need to keep coming back to this thread.

Consider this a friendly warning!
So, fair?
Thank you

Ill just use the ignore button thank you nancy i hate too but ah what can one do ??

 

[David in NJ]

No.

That would be illogical reasoning.

Just read the prior, Chapter...

There are gleanings you can get from it spiritually but no he is not talking to you specifically. That would be a lie.

JESUS lied?

 

[MatthewG]

@David in NJ,

Was Jesus standing in front of you when he said those things to his disciples? That is more of the question.

There are many people who take Jesus and his words and misapply them when he was indeed speaking to his apostles (Matthew 10), from John 14 - 15.




When Jesus says "I chose you; you did not choose me"





Was Jesus Christ lying to these people (his apostles) about these things when he was talking to them?


There are many people who apply these speakings to themselves, and that is a misapplication of the bible, if you go back and read John 14, and carry on to 15, Jesus is still with his apostles speaking to them. What he says about abiding in him is true, but there are specific things spoken to them, that shouldn't be so readily misapplied.

 

[Johann]

I don’t need to as scripture is very clear regarding false teachers .

Matt 7:15-16
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.


Matt 23:27-28
27 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

Matt 23:33-34
33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

John 8:41-45
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."

42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


Acts 20:29-31
I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31 So be on your guard!

1 Cor 5:9-13
I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."


2 Cor 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

1 Tim 6:3-5
If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth

2 Tim 2:14-17
Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene.


2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them — bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

1 John 4:1-3
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Jude 3-4
I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Jude 12-13
These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm — shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted — twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

2 John 7-11
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

hope this helps !!!

No-it does not help-you sit as a judge on a brother @MatthewG and your selective Scripture quotations AGAINST this brother is incorrect.
There are weaker brothers and stronger-and Matthew is NOT intentionally spreading a false gospel.

 

[Johann]

@David in NJ,

Was Jesus standing in front of you when he said those things to his disciples? That is more of the question.

There are many people who take Jesus and his words and misapply them when he was indeed speaking to his apostles (Matthew 10), from John 14 - 15.


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When Jesus says "I chose you; you did not choose me"

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Was Jesus Christ lying to these people (his apostles) about these things when he was talking to them?


There are many people who apply these speakings to themselves, and that is a misapplication of the bible, if you go back and read John 14, and carry on to 15, Jesus is still with his apostles speaking to them. What he says about abiding in him is true, but there are specific things spoken to them, that shouldn't be so readily misapplied.

Well said brother-
J.

 

[Johann]

In the Gospel of John, the writer who spent his life with the apostles and the Lord Jesus Christ for three years, and continued to have faith after his resurrection wrote, in John 1 saying.

THEOLOGICAL BACKGROUND 1 John 1:1

A. This passage is verbally related to the Prologue of John's Gospel (John 1:1-18, before physical creation), which is related to Gen. 1:1 (physical creation). However, here it refers to the beginning of Jesus' public ministry.



B. The emphasis is on

1. The full humanity of Jesus Christ

a. Participles related to the human senses: sight, sound, touch (cf. 1 John 1:1,3). Jesus was truly human and physical

b. full titles of Jesus

(1) the Word of Life (cf. 1 John 1:1)

(2) His Son Jesus Christ (cf. 1 John 1:3)

2. Deity of Jesus of Nazareth

a. pre-existence (1 John 1:1,2)

b. incarnation (1 John 1:2)

These truths are directed against the Gnostic false teachers' worldview.





A. 1 John 1:1-4

1. 1 John 1:1-3a form one sentence in Greek.

2. The main verb "proclaim" is in 1 John 1:3. The emphasis is on the content of Apostolic preaching.

3. There are four relative clauses in 1 John 1:1 which are placed forward in their clauses for emphasis.

a. "what was from the beginning"

b. "what we have heard"

c. "what we have seen with our eyes"

d. "what we have looked at and touched with our hands"

4. 1 John 1:2 seems to be a parenthesis concerning the incarnation of Christ. The fact that it is so awkward grammatically draws attention to it!

5. 1 John 1:3 and 4 define the purposes of John's Apostolic proclamation: fellowship and joy. Apostolic eyewitness accounts were one of the early church's criteria for canonization

6. Notice the flow of verb tenses in 1 John 1:1

a. Imperfect (pre-existed)

b. Perfect, perfect (abiding truth)

c. Aorist, aorist (specific examples)



B. 1 John 1:5-2:2

1. The pronouns in 1 John 1:5-2:2 are very ambiguous, but I think almost all of them except 1 John 1:5, refer to the Father (similar to Eph. 1:3-14)

2. All the "if's" are third class conditional sentences which speak of potential action.

3. There is a significant theological variation between

a. the verb tenses, present versus aorist in reference to "sin"

b. the singular and plural, "sin" versus "sins"

c. however, the exact theological meaning is not specified (see "The Heretics," D. below)

"from the beginning" This is an obvious allusion to Genesis 1 and John 1, but here it refers to the beginning of Jesus' public ministry. The incarnation of Jesus was not "Plan B." The gospel was always God's plan of redemption (cf. Gen. 3:15; Acts 2:23; 3:18; 4:28; 13:29; see Special Topic: YHWH's Eternal Redemptive Plan). This phrase in this context refers to the beginning of the twelve Apostles' personal encounter with Jesus.

John uses the concept of "beginning" often. Most of the occurrences divide into basically two categories.

from creation
John 1:1,2 (Jesus in the beginning)
John 8:44; 1 Kgs. 3:8 (Satan murderer and liar from the beginning)
Rev. 3:14; 21:6,12 (Jesus the beginning and the end)
from the time of Jesus' incarnation and ministry
John 8:25; 1 John 2:7 [twice]; 3:11; 2 John 5,6 (Jesus' teachings)
John 15:27; 16:4 (with Jesus)
1 John 1:1 (from the beginning of Jesus' public ministry)
1 John 2:13,24 [twice] (from their trust in Jesus)
John 6:64 (from their rejection of Jesus)
context favors #2
Special Topic: John 1 Compared to 1 John 1

"we"

This implies the collective yet personal witness of the Apostles (i.e., NT writers). This collective testimony is a characteristic of 1 John. It is used over 50 times.

Some scholars see this collective PRONOUN as referring to those of "John's tradition." This would imply guardians or teachers of John's unique theological perspective.

"have heard. . .have seen"

These are both PERFECT ACTIVE INDICATIVES which emphasize abiding results. John was asserting Jesus' humanity by his recurrent use of PARTICIPLES related to the five senses in 1 John 1:1,3. He thereby claims to be an eyewitness to the life and teaching of Jesus of Nazareth.

"have looked . . . and touched"

These are both AORIST INDICATIVES which emphasize specific events. "Looked" means "closely observed" (cf. John 1:14), "touched" means "closely examined by feel" (cf. John 20:20,27; Luke 24:39).

The Greek term for "touched" or "handled" (psēlaphaō) is found in only two verses in the NT: here and Luke 24:39. In Luke it is used of a post-resurrection encounter with Jesus. 1 John uses it in the same sense.

"Word of Life"

The use of the term logos served to catch the attention of the Greek false teachers, as in the Prologue to John's Gospel (cf. John 1:1). This word was widely used in Greek philosophy. It also had a specific background in Hebrew life. This phrase here refers to both the content of the gospel and the person of the gospel.

J.

 

[Johann]

Jesus spoke the Logos, He is not the Logos!

Wrong.

"the Word"

The Greek term logos referred to a message, not just a single word. In this context it is a title which the Greeks used to describe "world reason" and the Hebrews as analogus with "Wisdom."

John chose this term to assert that God's Word is both a person and a message. See Contextual Insights, C.

1:5 "the Light shines" This is PERFECT TENSE, which means continuous action. Jesus has always existed, but now He is clearly manifested to the world (cf. John 8:12; 9:5; 12:46). In the OT the physical or human manifestation of God was often identified with the angel of the Lord (cf. Gen. 16:7-13; 22:11-15; 31:11,13; 48:15-16; Exod. 3:2,4; 13:21; 14:19; Jdgs. 2:1; 6:22-23; 13:3-22; Zech. 3:1-2). Some assert that this was the pre-incarnate Logos.

1:2 This is parallel to John 1:1 and emphasizes again the shocking truth in light of monotheism (cf. Deut. 6:4-6) that Jesus, who was born around 6-5 B.C., has always been with the Father and, therefore, is Deity.

Look up the Memra.
Thanks
J.

 

[Johann]

Really.... Jesus is God... yet also a servant???

1:1 "In the beginning" This reflects Genesis 1:1 and is also used in 1 John 1:1 as a reference to the incarnation. It is possible that 1 John was a cover letter to the Gospel. Both deal with Gnosticism.

John 1:1-5 is an affirmation of Jesus Christ's divine pre-existence before creation (cf. John 1:15,30; 8:56-59; 16:28; 17:5,24; 2 Cor. 8:9; Phil. 2:6-7; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3; 10:5-9 quotes Ps. 40:6-8).

In the NT Jesus is described as

a new creation, not marred by the Fall (i.e., Gen. 3:15 fulfilled for mankind)
a new conquest (Promised Land)
a new exodus (fulfilled prophecy)
a new Moses (law giver)
a new Joshua (cf. Heb. 4:8)
a new water miracle (cf. Hebrews 3-4)
new manna (cf. John 6)
and so many more, especially in Hebrews.



"was"
(thrice)

This is an IMPERFECT TENSE (cf. John 1:1,2,4,10) which focuses on continual existence in past time.

This TENSE is used to show the Logos' pre-existence (cf. John 8:57-58; 17:5,24; 2 Cor. 8:9; Col. 1:17; Heb. 10:5-9). It is contrasted with the AORIST TENSES of John 1:3 (i.e., creation), 6 (i.e., John the Baptist, and 14 (i.e., the incarnation).

"the Word"

The Greek term logos referred to a message, not just a single word. In this context it is a title which the Greeks used to describe "world reason" and the Hebrews as analogus with "Wisdom." John chose this term to assert that God's Word is both a person and a message.

"with God"

"With" could be paraphrased "face to face." It depicts intimate fellowship. It also points toward the concept of one divine essence and three personal eternal manifestations. The NT asserts the paradox that Jesus is separate from the Father, but also that He is one with the Father.



"the Word was God"

This VERB is IMPERFECT TENSE as in John 1:1a. There is no ARTICLE (which identifies the SUBJECT, see F. F. Bruce, Answers to Questions, p. 66) with Theos, but Theos is placed first in the Greek phrase for emphasis.

This verse and John 1:18 are strong statements of the full deity of the pre-existent Logos (cf. John 5:18; 8:58; 10:30; 14:9; 17:11; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1). Jesus is fully divine as well as fully human (cf. 1 John 4:1-3). He is not the same as God the Father, but He is the very same divine essence as the Father.



The NT asserts the full deity of Jesus of Nazareth, but protects the distinct personhood of the Father. The one divine essence is emphasized in John 1:1; 5:18; 10:30,34-38; 14:9-10; and 20:28, while their distinct persons are emphasized in John 1:2,14,18; 5:19-23; 8:28; 10:25,29; 14:11,12,13,16.



1:2 This is parallel to John 1:1 and emphasizes again the shocking truth in light of monotheism (cf. Deut. 6:4-6) that Jesus, who was born around 6-5 B.C., has always been with the Father and, therefore, is Deity.

1:3 "All things came into being through Him" The Logos was the Father's agent of creation of both the visible and the invisible (cf. John 1:10; 1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2). This is similar to the role wisdom plays in Ps. 104:24 and Pro. 3:19; 8:12-23 (in Hebrews "wisdom" is a FEMININE GENDER NOUN).

"apart from Him nothing came into being"

This is a refutation of the Gnostic false teaching of angelic aeons between the high, good god and a lesser spiritual being that formed, pre-existent matter (see Contextual Insights, D).

1:4 "in Him was life"

This phrase is emphasizing that "life" itself comes from the Son, the Word. John uses the term, zoē, to refer to resurrection life, eternal life, God's life (cf. John 1:4; 3:15,36; 4:14,36; 5:24,26,29,39,40; 6:27,33,35,40,47,48,51,53, 54,63,65, etc). The other Greek term for "life," bios, was used for earthly, biological life (cf. 1 John 2:16).

"the life was the Light of men"

Light is a common metaphor John uses for the truth and knowledge of God (cf. John 3:19; 8:12; 9:5; 12:46). Notice the life was for all humans (possible allusion to Ps. 36:5-9)! Light and darkness were also common themes in the Dead Sea Scrolls. John often expresses himself in dualistic (contrasting) terms and categories.

You sit with a problem-yes?
J.

 

[Johann]

A Christophany is an appearance or non-physical manifestation of Christ. Traditionally the term refers to visions of Christ after his ascension, such as the bright light of the conversion of Paul the Apostle.[1]

Also, following the example of Justin Martyr who identified the Angel of the Lord with the Logos,[2] some appearances of angels in the Hebrew Bible are also identified by some Christians as preincarnate appearances of Christ.[3]

Well said-do you believe this?
J.

 

[ChristisGod]

No-it does not help-you sit as a judge on a brother @MatthewG and your selective Scripture quotations AGAINST this brother is incorrect.
There are weaker brothers and stronger-and Matthew is NOT intentionally spreading a false gospel.

I like Matthew allot I just disagree with him on some things. Ask @MatthewG if that is true. We are all good now.

 

[Johann]

I like Matthew allot I just disagree with him on some things. Ask @MatthewG if that is true. We are all good now.

All good from my side.
Shalom
J.

 

[ChristisGod]

All good from my side.
Shalom
J.

We are all human and make mistakes. We say and do things at times we regret. I messaged @MatthewG privately and asked him to forgive me for the way I had treated him in the past.

 

[Johann]

We are all human and make mistakes. We say and do things at times we regret. I messaged @MatthewG privately and asked him to forgive me for the way I had treated him in the past.

You have my respect brother.
As you rightly say-we are all fallible and prone to make mistakes.
God bless.
J.

 

[MatthewG]

Well said-do you believe this?
J.

It could happen for some people, out there in the world.

There are some things I may differ on that subject though.

 

[ChristisGod]

You have my respect brother.
God bless.
J.

Was this being truthful ?

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ,

Was Jesus standing in front of you when he said those things to his disciples? That is more of the question.

There are many people who take Jesus and his words and misapply them when he was indeed speaking to his apostles (Matthew 10), from John 14 - 15.


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When Jesus says "I chose you; you did not choose me"

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Was Jesus Christ lying to these people (his apostles) about these things when he was talking to them?


There are many people who apply these speakings to themselves, and that is a misapplication of the bible, if you go back and read John 14, and carry on to 15, Jesus is still with his apostles speaking to them. What he says about abiding in him is true, but there are specific things spoken to them, that shouldn't be so readily misapplied.

@MatthewG asks: "Was Jesus standing in front of you when he said those things to his disciples?"

Concerning the Directive of the LORD Jesus Christ at this specific juncture = JESUS spoke for ALL who would believe on Him.