What Satan Doesn't Want You to Know

[Ritajanice]

Believers only have the first fruits or the down payment of the Spirit, Romans 8:23. The reason for this is to help us get through this life and be a witness for Christ and his Gospel. We have not arrived yet because we still have our old Adamic nature that is prone to sin. The Lord left us here in this condition so that we can reach others for Christ. If we were without sin, we would not be able to relate to the lost.

You posted one passage from Romans 8:23.

Please post God’s Living word in context....now it makes perfect sense for a “ Born Again “ as it’s the “ Holy Spirit “ who interprets the word of God to our spirit, that’s how we understand.

But, imo/ belief....we have to be ready to understand and receive his word to our heart, ....only the Spirit can prepare us to receive God’s word....and unfortunately for some of us, me included....” PRIDE” can and does get in the way....sometimes........God taught me NOTHING when I held onto pride.....

I just went on my merry go round of self, which he allowed, that was until I came to my senses.....Praise God for that....I’m not saying pride doesn’t still rise up at times in me, but, I’m trusting the Spirit to bring me into the image of Jesus...every time I feel this pride rising up, I ask God to help me with it, he knows my sincerity and heart,....at least I am now recognising “ pride” I was in ignorance of it for many years as a Born Again....the Holy Spirit showed me my pride, ...it all takes time to grow and mature in Christ....and it’s all in God’s timing......my testimony and belief.

Here is the scripture in it’s full context.

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Robert Pate]

You posted one passage from Romans 8:23.

Please post God’s Living word in context....now it makes perfect sense for a “ Born Again “ as it’s the “ Holy Spirit “ who interprets the word of God to our spirit, that’s how we understand.

But, imo/ belief....we have to be ready to understand and receive his word to our heart, ....only the Spirit can prepare us to receive God’s word....and unfortunately for some of us, me included....” PRIDE” can and does get in the way....sometimes........God taught me NOTHING when I held onto pride.....

I just went on my merry go round of self, which he allowed, that was until I came to my senses.....Praise God for that....I’m not saying pride doesn’t still rise up at times in me, but, I’m trusting the Spirit to bring me into the image of Jesus...every time I feel this pride rising up, I ask God to help me with it, he knows my sincerity and heart,....at least I am now recognising “ pride” I was in ignorance of it for many years as a Born Again....the Holy Spirit showed me my pride, ...it all takes time to grow and mature in Christ....and it’s all in God’s timing......my testimony and belief.

Here is the scripture in it’s full context.

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Nothing wrong with Romans chapter 8. It is about being a Christian. There are two important statements that should not be overlooked, 1. We only have the first fruits of the Spirit. 2. We are still in our unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. This means that the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that you cannot do the things that you would, Galatians 5:17. In other words we have not arrived yet.

 

[Ritajanice]

Nothing wrong with Romans chapter 8. It is about being a Christian. There are two important statements that should not be overlooked, 1. We only have the first fruits of the Spirit. 2. We are still in our unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. This means that the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that you cannot do the things that you would, Galatians 5:17. In other words we have not arrived yet.

Sorry, I disagree, it means no such thing, imo/ belief......go and read @Behold thread that he started he explained it well,you, imo are misunderstanding Romans 8.... I also explained my understanding of it also.on Behold thread...

You are entitled to your opinion the same as mine and that’s all it is “ an opinion “, have a good day.

You need to understand what it means that the flesh lusts against the Spirit.....

When we are first birthed in the Spirit....the flesh lusts against the Spirit, we learn to surrender to the Spirit, we learn to die to self, through the Holy Spirit....we walk in faith and are being made into the image of Jesus...

 

[Robert Pate]

Sorry, I disagree, it means no such thing, imo/ belief......go and read @Behold thread that he started he explained it well,you, imo are misunderstanding Romans 8.... I also explained my understanding of it also.on Behold thread...

You are entitled to your opinion the same as mine and that’s all it is “ an opinion “, have a good day.

You need to understand what it means that the flesh lusts against the Spirit.....

Paul did not teach or believe that we are totally sanctified. Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25. Paul said that we are corrupt and need to be changed, 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. This is why salvation is totally and completely outside of us and is found only in Jesus Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

Paul did not teach or believe that we are totally sanctified. Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25. Paul said that we are corrupt and need to be changed, 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. This is why salvation is totally and completely outside of us and is found only in Jesus Christ.

You would do well to listen to Behold....

Salvation?

When we are birthed in the Spirit of God we are saved, period.....what does it mean to be “ Birthed in the Spirit “?

We are Children and heirs with Christ, it’s the Holy Spirit who indwells our spirit, he is the one who is making us into the image of Jesus, we have a “ Living “ relationship with God through the Spirit..you know that right?

 

[Behold]

1. We only have the first fruits of the Spirit.

There is no verse that says that.

What is says is that the believer IS the first fruit., because CHRIST is the Firistfruit, and the born again are "in Christ".

1 Corinthians 15:23

(Robert, burn your commentaries, as they are truly junk theology).

2. We are still in our unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. This means that the flesh lusts against the Spirit,

Wrong again.

The "WE"< that belongs to God, is BORN AGAIN, as a "new Creation in Christ".
This is not your body that is "dead because of Sin".

If you will read a real bible, then go to Colossians 2:11, and notice that the born again Spirit, is separated from the BODY, by God's Holy Spirit.
(Spiritual Circumcision).

This is the part of you, I(the Born again Spirit) that is "IN CHRIST", '" One with God" "seated in Heavenly Places"

So, i'll tell you again, Robert.
Get rid of your commentaries.

and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that you cannot do the things that you would, Galatians 5:17. In other words we have not arrived yet.

Christians who understand being "made Righteous", have arrived.

You haven't as you were taught by some heretic that you will sin and repeat, and that this is "Christianity",

You have not actually studied Paul, and you are STUCK in Romans 7.

He wasn't, .. He taught well beyond the inner battle, and never taught this as what a Christian should expect as their Walk of Faith.

 

[Robert Pate]

There is no verse that says that.

What is says is that the believer IS the first fruit., because CHRIST is the Firistfruit, and the born again are "in Christ".

1 Corinthians 15:23

(Robert, burn your commentaries, as they are truly junk theology).




Wrong again.

The "WE"< that belongs to God, is BORN AGAIN, as a "new Creation in Christ".
This is not your body that is "dead because of Sin".

If you will read a real bible, then go to Colossians 2:11, and notice that the born again Spirit, is separated from the BODY, by God's Holy Spirit.
(Spiritual Circumcision).

This is the part of you, I(the Born again Spirit) that is "IN CHRIST", '" One with God" "seated in Heavenly Places"

So, i'll tell you again, Robert.
Get rid of your commentaries.




Christians who understand being "made Righteous", have arrived.

You haven't as you were taught by some heretic that you will sin and repeat, and that this is "Christianity",

You have not actually studied Paul, and you are STUCK in Romans 7.

He wasn't, .. He taught well beyond the inner battle, and never taught this as what a Christian should expect as their Walk of Faith.

Christians do not possess the righteousness of Christ. It is reserved for them in heaven, 1 Peter 1:4.

As long as you are in you unredeemed Adamic body, you will sin, Romans 8:23. Christians are sinners saved by grace.

The law is spiritual it searches the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12. Are all of your thoughts pure and without sin? Or are you deceiving yourself? 1 John 1:8.

 

[Behold]

Christians do not possess the righteousness of Christ.

Every born again Christian is "made righteous" the instant they give God their faith in Christ.

Salvation itself is : "The Gift of Righteousness"

You can't go to heaven, until God's Righteousness (Christ's Righteousness) has become your "imputed righteousness".

Until then you are a sinner, unrighteous, and Lost, even if you are water baptized 347 times, last year.

The born again Christian, is become a "new Creation" "IN Christ", as .."The righteousness of God.... in Christ".

Let me show you Paul's verse.


1 Corinthians 1:30

30 But of him are You *(the born again) """ in Christ Jesus"""", who of God ..is made unto us (born again) wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

 

[Ritajanice]

Every born again Christian is "made righteous" the instant they give God their faith in Christ.

Salvation itself is : "The Gift of Righteousness"

You can't go to heaven, until God's Righteousness (Christ's Righteousness) has become your "imputed righteousness".

Until then you are a sinner, unrighteous, and Lost, even if you are water baptized 347 times, last year.

The born again Christian, is become a "new Creation" "IN Christ", as .."The righteousness of God.... in Christ".

Let me show you Paul's verse.


1 Corinthians 1:30

30 But of him are You *(the born again) """ in Christ Jesus"""", who of God ..is made unto us (born again) wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Excellent!!....AMEN!!!

 

[Robert Pate]

Excellent!!....AMEN!!!

Not true. Paul taught no such thing. The righteousness of Christ is to our account, we don't have it yet. It is reserved for us in heaven, 1 Peter 1:4. You still have your old unredeemed Adamic body that is prone to sin, Romans 8:23. If you had the righteousness of Christ, you would not be here, you would be in heaven.

 

[Ritajanice]

Not true. Paul taught no such thing. The righteousness of Christ is to our account, we don't have it yet. It is reserved for us in heaven, 1 Peter 1:4. You still have your old unredeemed Adamic body that is prone to sin, Romans 8:23. If you had the righteousness of Christ, you would not be here, you would be in heaven.

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◄ Romans 3:22 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, New Living Translation We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are. English Standard Version the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: Berean Standard Bible And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, Berean Literal Bible And the righteousness of God is through faith from Jesus Christ toward all those believing. For there is no distinction, King James Bible Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: John 3 King James Version ​ 3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[Robert Pate]

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◄ Romans 3:22 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, New Living Translation We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are. English Standard Version the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: Berean Standard Bible And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, Berean Literal Bible And the righteousness of God is through faith from Jesus Christ toward all those believing. For there is no distinction, King James Bible Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: John 3 King James Version ​ 3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Being born again does not make anyone righteous, if anything it makes one aware of how really sinful they are. Almost all of the patriarch confessed that they were sinners, Isaiah said, "We are all as an unclean thing, and all of our righteousness are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away" Isaiah 64:6. Paul said that he was the chief of sinners, 1Timothy 1:15.

The purpose of the Holy Spirit is to convince of sin. All that are indwelt with the Holy Spirit will confess that they are sinners.

 

[Ritajanice]

Being born again does not make anyone righteous, if anything it makes one aware of how really sinful they are. Almost all of the patriarch confessed that they were sinners, Isaiah said, "We are all as an unclean thing, and all of our righteousness are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away" Isaiah 64:6. Paul said that he was the chief of sinners, 1Timothy 1:15.

The purpose of the Holy Spirit is to convince of sin. All that are indwelt with the Holy Spirit will confess that they are sinners.

Rom.6​

[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
[9] Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
[10] For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
[11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
[17] But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
[18] Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
[19] I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
[20] For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
[21] What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
[22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
[23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Speaking of the Holy Spirit;
John 16:8-11 KJV
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they believe NOT on me; of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; of judgment, because the prince OF THIS WORLD is judged.

We are sanctified by the word of truth, which is the word of God! John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
The more we read & study the word, the closer we walk with God!

ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS SIN:..... 1John 5:17.
If scripture states we will give ACCOUNT of every idle word,
Matthew 12:36-
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

......then how do we think we shall NOT give account for all unrighteousness that we commit ?

 

[Wynona]

We are under the law of Christ. We are to live righteously and love one another. That's what He commanded.

I agree that we're not under the law of Moses.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Proverbs 23:7 "For as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.

There are many false teachers in the world, mostly those who follow the "T" in TULIP who almost wear "SINNER" as a badge of honor, quoting, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and 1 John 1:8 if you say you are without sin you are a liar, even though that is only true for those who have never repented and become born again of the Spirit. They are also ignorant of context, context, context of Romans 7. In this one chapter there are verses about after being in the flesh, meaning they are no longer in the flesh, and verses when they were in the flesh. But the retarded can't read one chapter and tell the difference between the two states of being.

• Romans 7:5
  For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
  
  
• Romans 7:18
  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

Who among you is intelligent enough to see that verse 5 is the Spirit filled Christian and fits Romans 8:9 (but we are NOT in the flesh) and 18 is a Jew under the law?

Curious who has a brain that is working, especially among the Calvinists.

 

[Rockerduck]

Satan does not want you to know that Jesus's return is just around the corner. Satan's time is short.

 

[MatthewG]

Proverbs 23:7 "For as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.

There are many false teachers in the world, mostly those who follow the "T" in TULIP who almost wear "SINNER" as a badge of honor, quoting, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and 1 John 1:8 if you say you are without sin you are a liar, even though that is only true for those who have never repented and become born again of the Spirit. They are also ignorant of context, context, context of Romans 7. In this one chapter there are verses about after being in the flesh, meaning they are no longer in the flesh, and verses when they were in the flesh. But the retarded can't read one chapter and tell the difference between the two states of being.

• Romans 7:5
  For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
  
  
• Romans 7:18
  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

Who among you is intelligent enough to see that verse 5 is the Spirit filled Christian and fits Romans 8:9 (but we are NOT in the flesh) and 18 is a Jew under the law?

Curious who has a brain that is working, especially among the Calvinists.

Is any of it any different than when Jesus was around and walking on the earth? You can sit and read your bible somewhere in open public and there are going to be people who think you smell like death, and some will think you will smell like a life giving aroma, which one is the better choice to be while in this life? All the while admitting that you personally have your own struggles and its only Yahava and his Son whom have helped you continue to overcome?

 

[Robert Pate]

We are under the law of Christ. We are to live righteously and love one another. That's what He commanded.

I agree that we're not under the law of Moses.

I hate to wreck your fun, but the law of Christ (The commandments) is the law of Moses. Jesus simply elevated it and spiritualized it. The law does not save or justify, Romans 3:20. The law (commandments) judges and condemns.

 

[Robert Pate]

Rom.6​

[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
[9] Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
[10] For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
[11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
[17] But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
[18] Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
[19] I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
[20] For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
[21] What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
[22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
[23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6 is spiritual. Romans 8:23 is the physical. As long as we are in these sinful Adamic bodies we are corrupt and need to be changed, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58.