Theology is our thinking!! Not the Lord's!!

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now allow me to give you a test my dear friend .
IF one comes and teaches that GOD is love , we know HE IS , and yet
uses that love to try and say that all religoins are fine as long as they love and do good to one another
that it dont matter if one beleives that JESUS is the CHRIST , just love
WHAT SPIRIT DO YOU THINK that cometh from . for a hint i invite us to read the second chapter
of john when he wrote about who is a liar and antichrist . you go ahead and answer .
WHAT SPIRIT would teach such a thing as to say we need only love and not to have to believe on JESUS CHRIST .
its a real easy answer .
a false teacher would say such a thing and not all dogs go to heaven as some teach. Jesus said there would be few on the narrow road that leads to life and many on the broad road that leads to destruction.
 
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a false teacher would say such a thing and not all dogs go to heaven as some teach. Jesus said there would be few on the narrow road that leads to life and many on the broad road that leads to destruction.
correct my friend . Who is a liar , but he that DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST , he is anti christ .
But as for the lambs , WE GONNA POINT TO JESUS CHRIST . now raise those hands and let the KING be praised my friend .
For the lambs do not as does the world . THE WORLD offers up false hope
THE lambs offer up THE ONLY HOPE THERE IS , JESUS CHRIST . Now again let us raise those hands and praise and thank
the glorious and wonderous LORD .
 

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Sadly, He is his own prophet

Sadly that is you. Just like it is written, as you judge so shall you be judged.

If you sought and listened to the Lord Jesus Christ, you would understand that it is about listening to Him. But if you don't listen to Him you can't accept anyone telling you to listen to Him.

But this is nothing new. Did not your father's reject and kill the prophets of God?

Acts 7:52 “Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;

There is nothing new under the sun. The Christ was always the Word of God. He once told me that every prophet knows there is only One prophet, but you don't understand that, or you couldn't have written what you did. It is for all of us to listen to our Lord Jesus Christ and did not Paul write to desire the gifts, and thereby not excluding any of them. Never-the-less, I did not come to you as a prophet, but was instructed to come and tell and encourage people to listen to Him; which is preaching the Word of God.

So it is not me who counts themselves to be their own prophet. I count Him, the Christ, to be the Word of God and the One. I hear from Him who told me to preach Him as the Word of God, and He is the Christ, the One you call Jesus (God's salvation) - so will you be with Him eternally since you don't want to hear about hearing Him?

It is amazing how many people want so badly to lean on their own understanding that they simply are not willing to hear a message about hearing from Him!

Ex 20:19 Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die.”

They didn't want to hear it from Moses, and they don't want to hear it today. And nowhere did you see me write that I was a prophet. I know, like Moses, that there is truly only one Prophet. He might give you a gift of prophecy, but that just means He told you something that could be consider prophesy. And I don't recall given any of that on this forum either.

Still, I can say that if you don't start listening to Him by faith, you are not going to a place of eternal life with Him!!

That is not prophecy, that is a promise from Him. His sheep do hear His voice, and thus those born again do hear the sound of the wind (His Holy Spirit coming with His words), and we testify to it, but many do not accept our testimony!!
 

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Actually. listening to Him doing what He tells you would be an honest effort to do God's will!!!!!!!

Didn't you actually see that in your studies, your religion, your understanding of God????

Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Yes, we are to be in prayer at all times (1 Thessalonians 5:17), and praying is a conversation with the Lord.
 

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To way too many it means whatever my pastor teacheth . and that BE A HUGE PROBLEM .
cause i see lots of what most would love to be called theology .
ONLY they sure aint teaching what GOD did .
SO it aint THE OLOGY now is it . if it contradicts the scriptures it wont be pointing anyone to GOD , TO HIS CHRIST .
Much theology is nothing more than men who came up with an idea ABOUT GOD
then twisted scrip to support it and now call it theology . And that TOO is a fact .
My advice stands . WE bess open them bibles and get busy learning and stay IN IT .
And I might emphasize 1 Thessalonians 5:17 ("Pray constantly").
 
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Lets include that to say lets not lean on karls understanding . Lets rather sit and examine
what each one says . IF IT be true agree , if it contradict the BIBLICAL JESUS , the doctrine of the apostles
the holy pure scriptures , THEN TRASH IT and start over . BIBLE and TIME .

Absolutely - unless Karl's understanding message is that you need to seek our Lord Jesus Christ and listen to Him!!

And that doesn't conflict with the Scriptures - but if you are calling Him "Biblical Jesus" you do not believe the Bible! You don't even understand who He is, according to the Bible!! Try to find a place in the Bible where it calls Him, "Biblical Jesus"!! You Can't!! So you are someone not even matching up with the Bible!!

Now if you knew Him and the Word of God, the person who came down out of heaven and took on flesh, or if you knew Him as Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, or Prince of Peace, or if perhaps if even knew Him as your friend, or as Understanding, or even as your provided, the One though whom all thing were created, and certainly if you actually knew Him and Love, or perhaps as your Teacher, then you would be matching up with the Bible, but you don't match up with what is written in the Bible.

So it is not me who is "Trashing" the Bible but rather it is you who judges me to be trashing the bible, but it is you. You don't believe in Him! If you did you would seek His voice and listen to Him, but you don't. Of those like you He said:

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

and also

Jn 5: 46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Jesus is not the man in flesh who walk 30 some years in the flesh; He is the Christ, the anointed One, the King of Kings and Lord or Lords from the point a King was appointed. He was the One who was with God in the beginning and who is God. He is the Word of God or word of the lord who came and talked to Abram, Moses, David, and all the prophets who you would not have listened to in their time on earth either. You would not have listen to them either, because they too were trying to tell you that He was there to be listened to. So to Moses they said, "Let not God speak to us", and to them Moses said:

Deut 8:10 “Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.

So not even Moses was telling them to listen to him, but to listen to the Lord who is the Christ, the Word of God, the One to be listen to! So the problem is not that you should listen to Me. What even makes you think I want to be talking to you. But He tells me to preach the Word of God meaning people need to listen to Him. And He tells me to post on this forum where we should find people who listen to Him. Yet like He told me and also Ezekeil, they won't be willing to listen to me because they are not willing to listen to Him.

He does not lie. If I tell someone to listen to Him and they are willing to listen to Him it will encourage them to listen to Him because they listened to me. Yet if I tell them to listen to HIm and the are not willing to listen to Him then they will not be willing to listen to me telling them to listen to Him. And we can find examples of that right here on this Christian forum.

Ezek 3:7 yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate.
 

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Yes, we are to be in prayer at all times (1 Thessalonians 5:17), and praying is a conversation with the Lord.

Yes - this is correct!! If we truly understand that we get to know the Lord by having conversations back and forth with Him then we will seek Him and what He has to say to us!!

We will be taught by Him. We will be encouraged by Him. We will be shown things by Him, even the Kingdom of God. We will be called "son" and "friend" by Him. We will hear Him tell us He loves us. We will hear that. He will give us instructions, even as to what steps to take and when to turn to the left or to the right. So we will come to understand that the best thing we can do for anyone is to get them to listen to Him - as in praying at all times and that means having a conversation with the Lord.

Understand what Bob Estey actually posted above and you will understand all that I have been trying to say!

You will understand:

Theology is our thinking!! Not the Lord's!!
 

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Absolutely - unless Karl's understanding message is that you need to seek our Lord Jesus Christ and listen to Him!!

And that doesn't conflict with the Scriptures - but if you are calling Him "Biblical Jesus" you do not believe the Bible! You don't even understand who He is, according to the Bible!! Try to find a place in the Bible where it calls Him, "Biblical Jesus"!! You Can't!! So you are someone not even matching up with the Bible!!

Now if you knew Him and the Word of God, the person who came down out of heaven and took on flesh, or if you knew Him as Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, or Prince of Peace, or if perhaps if even knew Him as your friend, or as Understanding, or even as your provided, the One though whom all thing were created, and certainly if you actually knew Him and Love, or perhaps as your Teacher, then you would be matching up with the Bible, but you don't match up with what is written in the Bible.

So it is not me who is "Trashing" the Bible but rather it is you who judges me to be trashing the bible, but it is you. You don't believe in Him! If you did you would seek His voice and listen to Him, but you don't. Of those like you He said:

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

and also

Jn 5: 46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Jesus is not the man in flesh who walk 30 some years in the flesh; He is the Christ, the anointed One, the King of Kings and Lord or Lords from the point a King was appointed. He was the One who was with God in the beginning and who is God. He is the Word of God or word of the lord who came and talked to Abram, Moses, David, and all the prophets who you would not have listened to in their time on earth either. You would not have listen to them either, because they too were trying to tell you that He was there to be listened to. So to Moses they said, "Let not God speak to us", and to them Moses said:

Deut 8:10 “Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.

So not even Moses was telling them to listen to him, but to listen to the Lord who is the Christ, the Word of God, the One to be listen to! So the problem is not that you should listen to Me. What even makes you think I want to be talking to you. But He tells me to preach the Word of God meaning people need to listen to Him. And He tells me to post on this forum where we should find people who listen to Him. Yet like He told me and also Ezekeil, they won't be willing to listen to me because they are not willing to listen to Him.

He does not lie. If I tell someone to listen to Him and they are willing to listen to Him it will encourage them to listen to Him because they listened to me. Yet if I tell them to listen to HIm and the are not willing to listen to Him then they will not be willing to listen to me telling them to listen to Him. And we can find examples of that right here on this Christian forum.

Ezek 3:7 yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate.
What we have HERE is a Failure to communicate .
The reason i say Biblical JESUS is because most folks all say we are listening to JESUS
and yet their jesus sure seems to contradict the words and actions of the one in the bible .
Go and learn what that means my friend . They follow feelings and not the JESUS CHRIST of GOD .
 
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What we have HERE is a Failure to communicate .
The reason i say Biblical JESUS is because most folks all say we are listening to JESUS
and yet their jesus sure seems to contradict the words and actions of the one in the bible .
Go and learn what that means my friend . They follow feelings and not the JESUS CHRIST of GOD .

Being His friend will mean that you actually talk back and forth with Him, so that you know Him. Then you will know that He is a Wonderful Counselor. He is a Teacher. He is Understanding. And most of all you will know that He is the Word of God, because He Father gave Him ALL THINGS INCLUDING THE VERY WORDS OF GOD!

What amazes me is that people pretend obedience to Him. They white wash their outside. They tell themselves that they are good. And then when you just tell them to seek Jesus Christ and listen to Him, they think even suggesting such a crazy thing doesn't match up with the Bible. The thing is that hearing from Him is what the Bible tells you to do. It is the foremost command "Hear, O Israel". It is what the Father from heaven says, "This is My beloved Son, Listen to Him." It is what all the prophets you worship in the Bible were explaining to you. It is the message that Jesus Christ Himself brought when He took on flesh, telling them that they did not hear His voice. So they put their faith in knowing the Bible thinking that is knowing Jesus, but that is not knowing Jesus. The say thinks like "Biblical Jesus", because all they know about Him is that He was written about 2000 year ago. If they actually knew Him they would not think of Him as someone 2000 years old, but as the One they heard from personally. Which is to say they would know Him as their Lord, even the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, who gives those serving Him personal instructions. And that is what the Bible explains to us, that who so ever believes in Him!!! Yet they think they do believe in Him who was written about in the Bible when He is the One who is standing at the door knocking with His voice just hoping they will open up to Him and listen to Him, and talk to Him, and get to know Him. Do you even understand why He told Moses to say I AM sent him.

Yeah - there is a miss understanding, and that is that you don't match up with the Bible, because you are thinking Him as that guy walking 2000 years ago instead of Him walking and talking with you today!! And you reject our testimony about Him - just like it is written:

Jn 3:11 “Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

Why don't you actually go out and spend sometime actually seeking Him and listening to Him? If you really do that you will get excited when you find someone actually testifying about hearing from Him. There are those who do walk and talk with Him. You can probably actually find them at your closest Christian church, but they might not be the majority there. Too many hear Him and are embarrassed to tell others they do, because of those thinking of Him as the "Biblical Jesus" instead of the word of the Lord who comes and speaks to them personally! That is why John the Baptist called the Vipers, because they have poison in their mouths!
 

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I'm wary of pp who claim to always be carrying on conversations with Jesus or angels " let's take a drive or let's go fishing" as we humans have conversations one with another.
God has spoken to us through his word.
Hebrews 1:1 KJV
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

I'd say maybe the voices in ones head need to be tested against the word of God, with the possibility of professional medical attention, as well.

This type of thinking demeans and lowers God & his Son from a place of supremacy & honour to being on the same levels as us.

It also is self glorying & elevates the claimant to a position of pride & betterment than their fellow brother, if they recognize any others as being in the household of faith, besides themselves.

Philippians 2:

2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

Romans 12
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

This poster always comes back to this type thinking and it concerns me.
 

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I'm wary of pp who claim to always be carrying on conversations with Jesus or angels " let's take a drive or let's go fishing" as we humans have conversations one with another.
God has spoken to us through his word.
Hebrews 1:1 KJV
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

I'd say maybe the voices in ones head need to be tested against the word of God, with the possibility of professional medical attention, as well.

This type of thinking demeans and lowers God & his Son from a place of supremacy & honour to being on the same levels as us.

It also is self glorying & elevates the claimant to a position of pride & betterment than their fellow brother, if they recognize any others as being in the household of faith, besides themselves.

Philippians 2:

2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

Romans 12
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

This poster always comes back to this type thinking and it concerns me.
yep , many claim to hear from GOD CHRIST the HOLY SPIRIT
yet often what they hear contradicts the bible . THAT BE A FAT RED FLAG TO THIS lamb .
Cause satan can appear as an angel of light , he surely can . He surely can .
IF any man , woman , child , angel , voice , even talking donkey sayeth something , yet it contradicts
the holy book , YEAH ME NO HEED IT PEROID . WE is sticking to the holy doctrine sister . WE is a sticking to that bible .
Yes indeed dear sister . TEST the spirits . Yep .
 

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I'm wary of pp who claim to always be carrying on conversations with Jesus or angels " let's take a drive or let's go fishing" as we humans have conversations one with another.
God has spoken to us through his word.
Hebrews 1:1 KJV
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

I'd say maybe the voices in ones head need to be tested against the word of God, with the possibility of professional medical attention, as well.

This type of thinking demeans and lowers God & his Son from a place of supremacy & honour to being on the same levels as us.

It also is self glorying & elevates the claimant to a position of pride & betterment than their fellow brother, if they recognize any others as being in the household of faith, besides themselves.

Philippians 2:

2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

Romans 12
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

This poster always comes back to this type thinking and it concerns me.
It has happened before and it happens often .
What is this i speak of .........
Many cliaming THUS SAYETH THE LORD < THE SPIRIT
only IT CAME NOT OF GOD .
The prophets prophesy and I SENT THEM NOT . they prophecy a vision of their own hearts , a vision of deciet .
OH YEAH It has happend . ITS ALL over the old test , and JESUS HISELF and the apostels warned us
TO TAKE HEED that no MAN decieve you .
Now visualize this next scenario .
JESUS own apostels , long long ago were very interested and very attentive to hear
What he had to say . But when Master , when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of thy
coming and of the end of the world .
AND WHAT was the FIRST DIRE WARNING OUT OF HIS MOUTH .
YOU ALL BETTER TAKE HEED . TAKE HEED , that NO MAN DECIEVE YOU for many shall come in my name .................
LET NO MAN DECIEVE YOU .
Beware of wolves in SHEEPS , SHEEPS clothing
And let us remember the FP . Has an appearance of two horns LIKE A LAMB , ONLY IT AINT NO LAMB
it speaketh as a DRAGON . THE NUMBER ONE DECIEVER and decievers COMETH FROM WITHIN .
And the hour of our betrayal , the GREAT betrayal DOES DRAW NIGH SISTER .
We worry not . THE LORD IS WITH US . the lambs HAVE THE KING and HE shall be with us through it all .
 

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I'd say maybe the voices in ones head need to be tested against the word of God,

First of all, Jesus Christ is the word of God, not the Bible. Yet through Isaiah the Lord explained that if you didn't listen to Him then the word of the Lord you would be order on order, line on line, here a little and there a little and that so you would going falling backwards, be snared and taken captive.

So if you mean tested against the orderly lines of the Scriptures then it is you who has been taken captive, just like Isiaih wrote!

If you do mean that we need to test what we hear with our Lord Jesus Christ, and I don't think your writing was meant to mean that, but if you did mean to check what you hear with Jesus Christ then you would be correct!! Are we not told to take all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ? Yes, but you didn't mean that and you don't really believe that if you seek Him you will find Him, even though that too is written in the Bible. Also there is a very specific test to you for testing the spirits according to what is written in the Bible, that you we should know, right?

1 Jn 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

So do you use that test at times? Can you even hear with your spiritual ears to you that test?

I have used it a lot, and it is pretty weird when you do use it. I would hear a voice talking to me and ask that spirit to tell me to " that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" and while about 90% of the time I would get that confession and quickly, but sometime that spirit just disappear, and amazingly I would sometime hear the spirit actually tell me, "I can't tell you that." There were also times when asking for the confession would just infuriate the spirit and they would get upset with just the asking before leaving. BTW, you can stop that in a hurrying if you want. And probably the most amazing thing was when they would tell you something like, "I don't have to tell you that", and try to just keep on trying to tell you what they were trying to tell you.

There are other issue you come up against when testing the spirit like it written, but they are handled by then calling upon the Lord Jesus Christ and getting help and advice from Him - and that actually brings us back to what you kind of stumbled into - which is taking all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ. But again, that wasn't really what you were talking about, but was what you were actually doubting, right?

Did you not read that all those who seek find? Or perhaps you might have read in the Bible where Jesus talked about if you ask for bread, egg, or for a fish?

Luke 11:11 - 13 “For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. “Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? “If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

And so if you really want to know about discernment of spirits you really need to practice using your spiritual senses for a while to learn all this from the Lord!!!

Heb 5: 11 Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.

Heb 5: 13,14 For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

People write things without actually seeking and listening to the Lord our God Jesus Christ. So they scoff at the idea of hearing from Him! They think by their own understanding of the Bible they can figure out what the devil's are doing around them. But that is not accomplished by leaning on your own understanding, and not even your own understanding of the Bible!! Then the Bible is correct, but they are not!!

If you want to try and get good at discernment, start trying to hear from Jesus Christ our Lord and what He tells you via the Holy Spirit give His words to your spirit. And here is the kicker - if you practice listening to Him and give it some time, like say 20 years or so, then you will get some maturity, and with that comes the understanding that you are never going to be good enough at discernment of spirit to not need to seek Jesus Christ and what He has to say!!! You really have to go back to taking all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ and Him and the Word of God, meaning that you actually listen to Him!!

If you practice listening to the Lord you will understand the real meaning of this Proverb!:

Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.

and

Prov 3: 6In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.

and

Prov 3:7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

And don't get confused - leaning on your own understanding of the Bible is still leaning on your own understanding!! You have to listen to Him and His voice for real understanding!!

Prov 2:'6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Now - which word of God were you planning on testing against???

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Hopefully you were talking about taking what you heard with your spiritual ears to Jesus Christ whose name is called "The Word of God:, because He speaks and His sheep hear His voice!! If not make it so!
 

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One God in all of creation, from which all that exists began.

Billions of individual people
opining what that really means.


Peace on earth?
 

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It has happened before and it happens often .
What is this i speak of .........
Many cliaming THUS SAYETH THE LORD < THE SPIRIT
only IT CAME NOT OF GOD .
The prophets prophesy and I SENT THEM NOT . they prophecy a vision of their own hearts , a vision of deciet .
OH YEAH It has happend . ITS ALL over the old test , and JESUS HISELF and the apostels warned us
TO TAKE HEED that no MAN decieve you .
Now visualize this next scenario .
JESUS own apostels , long long ago were very interested and very attentive to hear
What he had to say . But when Master , when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of thy
coming and of the end of the world .
AND WHAT was the FIRST DIRE WARNING OUT OF HIS MOUTH .
YOU ALL BETTER TAKE HEED . TAKE HEED , that NO MAN DECIEVE YOU for many shall come in my name .................
LET NO MAN DECIEVE YOU .
Beware of wolves in SHEEPS , SHEEPS clothing
And let us remember the FP . Has an appearance of two horns LIKE A LAMB , ONLY IT AINT NO LAMB
it speaketh as a DRAGON . THE NUMBER ONE DECIEVER and decievers COMETH FROM WITHIN .
And the hour of our betrayal , the GREAT betrayal DOES DRAW NIGH SISTER .
We worry not . THE LORD IS WITH US . the lambs HAVE THE KING and HE shall be with us through it all .

If the Lord was with you then you would hear His voice and be tell others to do the same. Or have you not read that His sheep hear His voice, the thing you don't like to read about!!

I went for a walk with Him. He pointed out how the Jews were, in general, and still are most like today. There were and still in generally are looking for Him, the Messiah, to come in the flesh. They were looking for Him and still are, according to their understanding of the Scriptures - their theology! He explained that " they were and still are looking for a 'Biblical or a Scriptural Christ' - "He must be like what they thought when they studied the Scriptures", they said in their hearts", He explained. And He went on to explain that they too were people just like Christians, but despite their study, and even their study to this day, they still have not come to know Him!

We Christians even have the advantage of having the New Testament writings and this all explained to us, and we can't apply it to our lives today. Did you even notice how they thought Jesus Christ Himself was of the devil - just like you think of Him who talks to me. Did you not even read what He told them?

Jn 8:43,44 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.
“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
 

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First of all, Jesus Christ is the word of God, not the Bible. Yet through Isaiah the Lord explained that if you didn't listen to Him then the word of the Lord you would be order on order, line on line, here a little and there a little and that so you would going falling backwards, be snared and taken captive.

So if you mean tested against the orderly lines of the Scriptures then it is you who has been taken captive, just like Isiaih wrote!

If you do mean that we need to test what we hear with our Lord Jesus Christ, and I don't think your writing was meant to mean that, but if you did mean to check what you hear with Jesus Christ then you would be correct!! Are we not told to take all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ? Yes, but you didn't mean that and you don't really believe that if you seek Him you will find Him, even though that too is written in the Bible. Also there is a very specific test to you for testing the spirits according to what is written in the Bible, that you we should know, right?

1 Jn 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

So do you use that test at times? Can you even hear with your spiritual ears to you that test?

I have used it a lot, and it is pretty weird when you do use it. I would hear a voice talking to me and ask that spirit to tell me to " that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" and while about 90% of the time I would get that confession and quickly, but sometime that spirit just disappear, and amazingly I would sometime hear the spirit actually tell me, "I can't tell you that." There were also times when asking for the confession would just infuriate the spirit and they would get upset with just the asking before leaving. BTW, you can stop that in a hurrying if you want. And probably the most amazing thing was when they would tell you something like, "I don't have to tell you that", and try to just keep on trying to tell you what they were trying to tell you.

There are other issue you come up against when testing the spirit like it written, but they are handled by then calling upon the Lord Jesus Christ and getting help and advice from Him - and that actually brings us back to what you kind of stumbled into - which is taking all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ. But again, that wasn't really what you were talking about, but was what you were actually doubting, right?

Did you not read that all those who seek find? Or perhaps you might have read in the Bible where Jesus talked about if you ask for bread, egg, or for a fish?

Luke 11:11 - 13 “For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. “Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? “If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

And so if you really want to know about discernment of spirits you really need to practice using your spiritual senses for a while to learn all this from the Lord!!!

Heb 5: 11 Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.

Heb 5: 13,14 For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

People write things without actually seeking and listening to the Lord our God Jesus Christ. So they scoff at the idea of hearing from Him! They think by their own understanding of the Bible they can figure out what the devil's are doing around them. But that is not accomplished by leaning on your own understanding, and not even your own understanding of the Bible!! Then the Bible is correct, but they are not!!

If you want to try and get good at discernment, start trying to hear from Jesus Christ our Lord and what He tells you via the Holy Spirit give His words to your spirit. And here is the kicker - if you practice listening to Him and give it some time, like say 20 years or so, then you will get some maturity, and with that comes the understanding that you are never going to be good enough at discernment of spirit to not need to seek Jesus Christ and what He has to say!!! You really have to go back to taking all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ and Him and the Word of God, meaning that you actually listen to Him!!

If you practice listening to the Lord you will understand the real meaning of this Proverb!:

Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.

and

Prov 3: 6In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.

and

Prov 3:7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

And don't get confused - leaning on your own understanding of the Bible is still leaning on your own understanding!! You have to listen to Him and His voice for real understanding!!

Prov 2:'6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Now - which word of God were you planning on testing against???

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Hopefully you were talking about taking what you heard with your spiritual ears to Jesus Christ whose name is called "The Word of God:, because He speaks and His sheep hear His voice!! If not make it so!
To put it succinctly, I do not believe you!
Furthermore I think it heretical to keep pushing this thought forward that you have.

Yes God speaks to certain ppl he calls into a mission or plan for his work.
Yes the Holy Spirit cautions, warns, and corrects our spirits when we err in an inner hearing, however the way you present it is not according to how God spoke to Moses or any of the prophets in every moment. Are you greater or special?

What you present is fanatical & fantastical. Yet you seem to promote that you are the one he " talks" to 24/7 on an intimate basis bar none.It rounds down to the same thought every time. No one listens but you.

You cannot instruct me in anything spiritual. I have the word and the Spirit and have zero need of some men's nonsense.
 

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I'm done.
No peace on earth, Blessed but a sword !
 

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One God in all of creation, from which all that exists began.

Billions of individual people
opining what that really means.


Peace on earth?

It sounds nice, but that is your opinion and is not from listening to the Lord our God Jesus Christ!!

Did you not even read, Jer 6: 14 , 8:11
“They heal the brokenness of the daughter of My people superficially,
Saying, ‘Peace, peace,'
But there is no peace.

or perhaps

Luke 12:51 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division;

or

Mt 10:34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

The peace you are talking about is a peace with God through Him, our Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke 12:14 “Glory to God in the highest,
And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”

So it is not a peace between all men, but a peace between Him and any man, even on earth, whom He is pleased with!!

So what pleases the Lord? Is it not that you believe in Him so that you listen to Him and do, or at least try to do what He asks of you?

Ps 83:2 For behold, Your enemies make an uproar,
And those who hate You have exalted themselves.

Ps 3:15 Fill their faces with dishonor,
That they may seek Your name, O LORD.

There are always going to be those who make an uproar, because they hate the Lord. So even telling them to seek Him and listen to Him will upset them. Yet the command to preach The Word of God, which is the name of the Lord (Rev 19:13) because He speaks to us, still comes through to give them every change and no excuse for not seeking Him (the One through whom all things were created) and what He says.

Therefore the work of peace that God has for us is to try and get peace between God and men, any man who is willing to open up to Him and hear what He has to say.

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

That verse above explains the peace with God that we are preaching. "Anyone" can have it, but not everyone wants it. And because not everyone wants to listen to the Lord, it will still be "Peace, peace,' But there is no peace."
 

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Titus 3

1.Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, 2 to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. 3 For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. 4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people. 9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. 10 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, 11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
 
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To put it succinctly, I do not believe you!
Furthermore I think it heretical to keep pushing this thought forward that you have.

Yes God speaks to certain ppl he calls into a mission or plan for his work.
Yes the Holy Spirit cautions, warns, and corrects our spirits when we err in an inner hearing, however the way you present it is not according to how God spoke to Moses or any of the prophets in every moment. Are you greater or special?

What you present is fanatical & fantastical. Yet you seem to promote that you are the one he " talks" to 24/7 on an intimate basis bar none.It rounds down to the same thought every time. No one listens but you.

You cannot instruct me in anything spiritual. I have the word and the Spirit and have zero need of some men's nonsense.

Yeah - I can easier see that many here do not believe me when I say to seek Jesus Christ and what He says. Of course by telling people to seek Him and listen to His voice, and then seeing people tell me they don't believe me, it is not really me who they don't believe, but they don't believe in Jesus Christ!!

And the problem with your thinking is that He does not just speak to "certain ppl"!! He speaks to everyone who is anyone!! Have you no read:

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

You don't understand, He made all people so wants all people to listen to Him, and that includes "anyone"!! You do see the word "anyone" in Rev 3:20 don't you? Telling anyone, as in everyone, is the mission and work of God!! Did He not say to go through out the entire world? Of course not everyone or even anyone but Him, has the time to get to the entire world, but as a group (Christians) that is the instruction in general. And this is all recorded in the Bible, incase you don't listen to Him for yourself.

And since I am telling you to listen to Him, Jesus Christ our Lord, why do you think I am trying to instruct on about anything other than you need to get your instructions from Him?

And again - by saying you have the word and the Spirit, do you mean you have Jesus Christ (The Word of God) and the Holy Spirit?

The last time it seemed you meant the word was the Bible. So you are not saying you have the Bible and the Spirit do you, because it is written:

1 Cor 12;3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

So are you saying that Jesus Christ is Lord? So that you are saying you have Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit, or is the spirit you have telling you that the Bible is the word?

Have you not read:

Jn 6: 63,64 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
“But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.

You do see who according to what is written that the words that He speaks to you are spirit, not ink on pages, right?

I mean you have read:

Rom 10: 8,9 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

If the "word" you were talking about is the Bible and not Jesus Christ, then I don't see where you are confessing Jesus Christ as your Lord, not that you a preach the Word to be in your mouth and heart but in a book that perhaps you carry along with you at times, but not always?

If that is the case, then perhaps you should look more closely at the book we call the Bible and see that that Jesus Christ is the Word of God to His sheep, and we have Him. It is written that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son - we have Him!! And that should have been revealed to us, right?

Gal 3:22 - 24 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore, the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.

So faith in Jesus Christ has been revealed to you, right?