The 144,000 before God at the end.

[TribulationSigns]

From the Jewish Virtual Library:

History & Overview of the Western Wall (jewishvirtuallibrary.org)

"When the Romans razed the Second Temple, they left one outer wall standing. They probably would have destroyed that wall as well, but it must have seemed too insignificant to them since it was not part of the Temple itself, just a retaining wall surrounding the Temple Mount."

The consequence of bad homework.

LOL!! Not according to Scripture.

Luk 19:41-44
(41) And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
(42) Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
(43) For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
(44) And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Not just the temple building upon the mount but WHOLE CITY of Jersualem if you try to interpret Luke 19 in physical sense. (and of course its not).

Also parable of Matthew 22 says not one word about waiting until 70 A.D. to bring about the destruction of the city and people, or about a Roman army being the Lord's, or about a ruler Titus or any of the other alleged proofs some offer as support for their Physical city destruction supposition. This, when it seems perfectly clear God is not talking about a physical city within Israel, but the whole congregation of Israel, using the holy city as the kingdom representation. They have the kingdom no more, and haven't since it was taken from them at the cross.

Matthew 21:43

• "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

Moreover, as I said before, if the destruction was of a physical city, then obviously, rationally and logically the rebuilding would have to be of that same alleged physical city, did it? Of course not! Clearly the parable illustrates the rebuilding is the New Testament congregation. Why? Because the destruction was the Old Testament congregation, not physical city or stones. People like you are just not thinking clearly or using a sound hermeneutic when they inconsistently see a literal/physical place instead of the Lord's covenanted people represented by Jerusalem.

Matthew 22:2-14

• "The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
• And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
• Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
• But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
• And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
• But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
• Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
• Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
• So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
• And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
• And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
• Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
• For many are called, but few are chosen."

Are we going to go by what "seems" right in our own eyes by reading Josephus, Jewish Virtual Library, or by the authoritative word of God explaining it by comparing scripture with Scripture? This parable actually supports the understanding of this being the Old Testament congregation that was destroyed at the cross and being rebuilt in the New Testament congregation (in three days), rather than a physical city that was destroyed 37 years after the cross. Understand, it's talking about what the Kingdom of heaven is, likened unto. In other words, the congregation on earth. Selah!

Moreover, if the wedding, the bidding to it, the slain oxen, the farm, the merchandise, the fatlings, and the guests on the highways are not literal things at a very literal wedding, what would make anyone think the armies of the king would magically, and out of context, be a absolute literal/physical army of Romans in the midst of all this? Come on! Think about it! That makes no sense. It's only accepted because Christians follow the leaders and false teachers rather than sound study practices or hermeneutics. That is why we have a thousand different versions of every doctrine known to the church. Not because truth is so unattainable, but because of the stubborn will of man. In other words, thick skulls! :)

After the city was destroyed, then God sent out His servants to secure wedding guests. Are we to then suppose that the church waited 37 years until 70 A.D. when a physical destruction of Jerusalem took place before God (this King) sent His servants out to find guests? This is a joke. The whole idea is inconsistent because when something is not true it generally is always inconsistent. For example, it won't fit because there is no real harmony as with God inspired truth. The biblical fact is, God sent his servants out to secure guests to the wedding when he poured out His holy Spirit at Pentecost, not over 30 years after Pentecost after a destruction in 70 A.D.

Finally, there is not one jot or title in God's inerrant word about all stones falling being an exaggeration or a physical army knocking down physical bricks in 70 A.D., because it's speculation. That's not even taking into account that the whole physical city of Jerusalem "in 70 A.D." was no longer the Lord's Holy City that it would even qualify. It hadn't been God's Holy City since the time of the cross. Period! There was a "New Jerusalem," and it certainly was not represented by the physical building of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., The only holy city Jerusalem that qualifies for being destroyed before the rebuilding in three days was the congregation of God that was destroyed when Christ was crucified. So the use of these passages of Matthew 22 in an attempt to justify a carnal world view of a city's destruction by the people of a Prince in 70 A.D., is without Rock solid foundation. Foundation upon the WORD of God rather than history books.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Take the next logical step which disproves your own doctrines and theories.

Very unlikely. You have not refuted anything I wrote yet!

Modernist cultism with no support in 17 centuries of NT orthodoxy.

Again, what are you talking about? Modernist cultism? You are wasting your time on this childish speculation.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Hebrews 9:8 (KJV) The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Handling the Word of God deceitfully is changing or corrupting the word by mixing it with humanism or worldly inventions, maybe even the babblings of Josephus, anything in order to make it acceptable to those who will not receive a divine interpretation directly from the Spirit in authority of the Scriptures. For example, the stones not as the world defines them, but as God all through His own word has defined them. 70 A.D. is an excuse not to believe the Spirit, not a fulfillment of the word. A evil and unfaithful generation seeks excuses not to believe all the stones of the Old Testament City and Temple WERE thrown down, that the City and Temple could be rebuilt in the New Testament dispensation. These worldly things like Temples, Cities, and Holy rooms were "types" signifying things far more important than stones, lampstands and physical tabernacles.

Hebrews 9:8-10

• "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
• Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
• Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation."

Stone, temples, tabernacles, animal scarifices, cities, Kingdoms, candlesticks, etc., These were only all TYPES, FIGURES, TOKENS of something far more important than animal blood, a physical Temple or a human King like David. These were all types, a type wherein the Old Testament economy is represented by the Old Testament Holy Temple, and the New by the New Testament Holy Temple. The first had to fall FIRST in order for the second to start building. This is the Spiritual nature of the whole Bible, that unfortunately, many Christians blind themselves to. Christ came as the building Stone for Israel, but was rejected and destroyed by his own people (Daniel 9:26; John 2:19) where "that" Holy Temple representation was thrown down and not one stone left, and Christ became the foundation stone of the New Testament church, and the New Testament Jews are the stones built upon Him. Part of the mystery is that this was always as intended.

 

[covenantee]

Very unlikely. You have not refuted anything I wrote yet!



Again, what are you talking about? Modernist cultism? You are wasting your time on this childish speculation.

Still no support in 17 centuries of NT orthodoxy for your cultic hyperspiritualization of Matthew 24:1,2.

 

[PinSeeker]

It seems that Paul saw a need to continue to observe the Old ceremonial Law for the benefit of bringing fellow Jews to the Lord.

Acts 18:21 (KJV) But bade them farewell, saying, I [Paul] must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

1 Corinthians 9:20 (KJV) And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

Well, I would say he "saw a need" to not condemn them for keeping it, and even to join them so as not appearing to condemn them, so that they may be more apt to accept his proclamation of the Gospel and believe him concerning Christ, and that in this way that he might "gain them" for the Lord. He's most assuredly not saying he re-submitted himself to the Law, or put himself back under it. I'm sure he was well aware that to do so would be to count Jesus's sacrifice as ineffectual ~ which is what he goes on to say, basically, in the rest of that First Corinthians 9 passage:

"To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. I do it all for the sake of the Gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings." (1 Corinthians 9:21-23).

And as he says to the Galatians:

"if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose" (Galatians 2:21).

Grace and peace to you.

 

[rwb]

Handling the Word of God deceitfully is changing or corrupting the word by mixing it with humanism or worldly inventions, maybe even the babblings of Josephus, anything in order to make it acceptable to those who will not receive a divine interpretation directly from the Spirit in authority of the Scriptures. For example, the stones not as the world defines them, but as God all through His own word has defined them. 70 A.D. is an excuse not to believe the Spirit, not a fulfillment of the word. A evil and unfaithful generation seeks excuses not to believe all the stones of the Old Testament City and Temple WERE thrown down, that the City and Temple could be rebuilt in the New Testament dispensation. These worldly things like Temples, Cities, and Holy rooms were "types" signifying things far more important than stones, lampstands and physical tabernacles.

Hebrews 9:8-10

• "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
• Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
• Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation."

Stone, temples, tabernacles, animal scarifices, cities, Kingdoms, candlesticks, etc., These were only all TYPES, FIGURES, TOKENS of something far more important than animal blood, a physical Temple or a human King like David. These were all types, a type wherein the Old Testament economy is represented by the Old Testament Holy Temple, and the New by the New Testament Holy Temple. The first had to fall FIRST in order for the second to start building. This is the Spiritual nature of the whole Bible, that unfortunately, many Christians blind themselves to. Christ came as the building Stone for Israel, but was rejected and destroyed by his own people (Daniel 9:26; John 2:19) where "that" Holy Temple representation was thrown down and not one stone left, and Christ became the foundation stone of the New Testament church, and the New Testament Jews are the stones built upon Him. Part of the mystery is that this was always as intended.

I agree with most of what you've written here. But you have not shown why the words of Christ do not have a dual fulfillment through redemptive history. Both spiritual fulfillment through the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ, and a literal physical fulfillment when both Jerusalem, the Temple and the Levitical Law was of necessity LITERALLY abolished forever!

 

[covenantee]

Handling the Word of God deceitfully is changing or corrupting the word by mixing it with humanism or worldly inventions, maybe even the babblings of Josephus, anything in order to make it acceptable to those who will not receive a divine interpretation directly from the Spirit in authority of the Scriptures

No recognized defender of the true faith in 17 centuries of NT orthodox history seems to have received "a divine interpretation directly from the Spirit in authority of the Scriptures" which matches yours regarding Matthew 24:1,2.

How is it that they haven't received what you claim that you have? Are you "holier than all of they"?

 

[covenantee]

LOL!! Not according to Scripture.

Luk 19:41-44
(41) And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
(42) Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
(43) For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
(44) And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Not just the temple building upon the mount but WHOLE CITY of Jersualem if you try to interpret Luke 19 in physical sense. (and of course its not).

Also parable of Matthew 22 says not one word about waiting until 70 A.D. to bring about the destruction of the city and people, or about a Roman army being the Lord's, or about a ruler Titus or any of the other alleged proofs some offer as support for their Physical city destruction supposition. This, when it seems perfectly clear God is not talking about a physical city within Israel, but the whole congregation of Israel, using the holy city as the kingdom representation. They have the kingdom no more, and haven't since it was taken from them at the cross.

Matthew 21:43

• "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

Moreover, as I said before, if the destruction was of a physical city, then obviously, rationally and logically the rebuilding would have to be of that same alleged physical city, did it? Of course not! Clearly the parable illustrates the rebuilding is the New Testament congregation. Why? Because the destruction was the Old Testament congregation, not physical city or stones. People like you are just not thinking clearly or using a sound hermeneutic when they inconsistently see a literal/physical place instead of the Lord's covenanted people represented by Jerusalem.

Matthew 22:2-14

• "The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
• And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
• Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
• But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
• And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
• But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
• Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
• Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
• So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
• And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
• And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
• Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
• For many are called, but few are chosen."

Are we going to go by what "seems" right in our own eyes by reading Josephus, Jewish Virtual Library, or by the authoritative word of God explaining it by comparing scripture with Scripture? This parable actually supports the understanding of this being the Old Testament congregation that was destroyed at the cross and being rebuilt in the New Testament congregation (in three days), rather than a physical city that was destroyed 37 years after the cross. Understand, it's talking about what the Kingdom of heaven is, likened unto. In other words, the congregation on earth. Selah!

Moreover, if the wedding, the bidding to it, the slain oxen, the farm, the merchandise, the fatlings, and the guests on the highways are not literal things at a very literal wedding, what would make anyone think the armies of the king would magically, and out of context, be a absolute literal/physical army of Romans in the midst of all this? Come on! Think about it! That makes no sense. It's only accepted because Christians follow the leaders and false teachers rather than sound study practices or hermeneutics. That is why we have a thousand different versions of every doctrine known to the church. Not because truth is so unattainable, but because of the stubborn will of man. In other words, thick skulls! :)

After the city was destroyed, then God sent out His servants to secure wedding guests. Are we to then suppose that the church waited 37 years until 70 A.D. when a physical destruction of Jerusalem took place before God (this King) sent His servants out to find guests? This is a joke. The whole idea is inconsistent because when something is not true it generally is always inconsistent. For example, it won't fit because there is no real harmony as with God inspired truth. The biblical fact is, God sent his servants out to secure guests to the wedding when he poured out His holy Spirit at Pentecost, not over 30 years after Pentecost after a destruction in 70 A.D.

Finally, there is not one jot or title in God's inerrant word about all stones falling being an exaggeration or a physical army knocking down physical bricks in 70 A.D., because it's speculation. That's not even taking into account that the whole physical city of Jerusalem "in 70 A.D." was no longer the Lord's Holy City that it would even qualify. It hadn't been God's Holy City since the time of the cross. Period! There was a "New Jerusalem," and it certainly was not represented by the physical building of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., The only holy city Jerusalem that qualifies for being destroyed before the rebuilding in three days was the congregation of God that was destroyed when Christ was crucified. So the use of these passages of Matthew 22 in an attempt to justify a carnal world view of a city's destruction by the people of a Prince in 70 A.D., is without Rock solid foundation. Foundation upon the WORD of God rather than history books.

If you don't think that Messiah did a sufficiently complete job in 70 AD, He finished it here for you.

"The Romans plowed Jerusalem with a yoke of oxen."

Micah 3
12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.

 

[covenantee]

Handling the Word of God deceitfully is changing or corrupting the word by mixing it with humanism or worldly inventions, maybe even the babblings of Josephus, anything in order to make it acceptable to those who will not receive a divine interpretation directly from the Spirit in authority of the Scriptures. For example, the stones not as the world defines them, but as God all through His own word has defined them. 70 A.D. is an excuse not to believe the Spirit, not a fulfillment of the word. A evil and unfaithful generation seeks excuses not to believe all the stones of the Old Testament City and Temple WERE thrown down, that the City and Temple could be rebuilt in the New Testament dispensation. These worldly things like Temples, Cities, and Holy rooms were "types" signifying things far more important than stones, lampstands and physical tabernacles.

Hebrews 9:8-10

• "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
• Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
• Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation."

Stone, temples, tabernacles, animal scarifices, cities, Kingdoms, candlesticks, etc., These were only all TYPES, FIGURES, TOKENS of something far more important than animal blood, a physical Temple or a human King like David. These were all types, a type wherein the Old Testament economy is represented by the Old Testament Holy Temple, and the New by the New Testament Holy Temple. The first had to fall FIRST in order for the second to start building. This is the Spiritual nature of the whole Bible, that unfortunately, many Christians blind themselves to. Christ came as the building Stone for Israel, but was rejected and destroyed by his own people (Daniel 9:26; John 2:19) where "that" Holy Temple representation was thrown down and not one stone left, and Christ became the foundation stone of the New Testament church, and the New Testament Jews are the stones built upon Him. Part of the mystery is that this was always as intended.

Provide your fully spiritualized typological interpretation of the following:

Daniel 9
26 ...the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27...for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What "end" is being referred to?
What "thereof" is being referred to?
What "flood" is being referred to?
What "war" is being referred to?
What "desolations" are being referred to?
What "abominations" are being referred to?
What "it" is being referred to?
What "consummation" is being referred to?
Who is/are the "desolate"?

 

[The Light]

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
All from mat 24 nothing of a 6 day parenthesis.

The story of Noah is in Genesis 7. In the selfsame day, Noah, his family and all of the animals entered the ark, and Noah was shut in.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.

The first thing God told Noah to do was enter the ark. And then told him that in seven days it would flood.

Genesis 7

1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

So the Lord told Noah to enter the ark, He also told him it would rain in 7 days. Noah did as he was commanded and spent the first day loading the animals. Noah is sealed in.

That leave 6 days until flood even as the Church will be in the ark of heaven 6 years before the wrath of God. Every day is a year.

Now luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Luke 17
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

In luke and mat, the "one taken...left" is used for noah and lot.
Not only that, but luke has the 2 analogies TOGETHER.
They are in fact one and the same timing.

You of all people should understand this as you understand that there are two raptures. Noah is told to enter the ark 7 days before the flood. Noah represents the Gentiles.

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Likewise also we are told that the very day Lot left Sodom destruction comes. Lot represents the Jews. The very year of the second harvest the wrath of God will bring destruction at Armageddon.

There are two raptures. One rapture, the pretribulation rapture, will occur before the seals are opened. The second rapture will occur at the 6th seal. Destruction will happen that year.

This all fits the 2030 timeline, if you are aware what that is.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The story of Noah is in Genesis 7. In the selfsame day, Noah, his family and all of the animals entered the ark, and Noah was shut in.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.

The first thing God told Noah to do was enter the ark. And then told him that in seven days it would flood.

Genesis 7

1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

So the Lord told Noah to enter the ark, He also told him it would rain in 7 days. Noah did as he was commanded and spent the first day loading the animals. Noah is sealed in.

That leave 6 days until flood even as the Church will be in the ark of heaven 6 years before the wrath of God. Every day is a year.

You of all people should understand this as you understand that there are two raptures. Noah is told to enter the ark 7 days before the flood. Noah represents the Gentiles.

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Likewise also we are told that the very day Lot left Sodom destruction comes. Lot represents the Jews. The very year of the second harvest the wrath of God will bring destruction at Armageddon.

There are two raptures. One rapture, the pretribulation rapture, will occur before the seals are opened. The second rapture will occur at the 6th seal. Destruction will happen that year.

This all fits the 2030 timeline, if you are aware what that is.

Both lot and noah have the same signature line.
" one taken one left behind... watch and be ready."
Jesus never entered the parenthesis delay into the Noah analogy.
Not only that, but Jesus inserted "normal life, peacetime, and commerce" into the noah taken analogy .
In your model, those 2 critical components are missing.
You are basing your model totally on "7 days"...which is missing in Jesus analogy.
The rev 14 gathering is Jews gathered.
Noah and lot are described together and are main harvest analogy.
Rev 14 is 3rd and 4th parts of main harvest .

They are also first fruits and then main harvest of the grape or fruit harvest.
They are the last gathered in the parable of the wedding supper/feast

 

[rebuilder 454]

I'm sorry, but your statement appears to suggest a lack of understanding of what is written in Scripture. The events you mentioned, such as flying scorpions, the physical Mark of the Beast, and one supernatural man, are not what Scripture actually talked about. Spiritual discernment is all I can say. Have fun with your wild interpretations that excite gullible people that will never come to pass.

how ironic.
You cant even address simple concepts.
Instead hit people with some juvenile dodge.
Snarky and lowest road.
SMH

 

[rebuilder 454]

He tells us who Jews are. Romans 2:28,29

He erases your misidentification.

John agrees. Revelation 2:9

None of that erases the fact Paul categorized himself as Jewish.
Paul also called the unredeemed Jew his brethren

Keep trying though.
For whatever reason you need it reframed

 

[PinSeeker]

None of that erases the fact Paul categorized himself as Jewish.

Sure. His ethnicity. But he also categorized himself as one of God's true Jews, which He became in the dramatic episode related to us in Acts 9.

Paul also called the unredeemed Jew his brethren

Right, which he further explained as his "kinsman according to the flesh." And then he immediately explains that "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel... it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God." It's nothing short of astounding... astonishing... that anyone can continue to overlook or discount what is plainly and explicitly right there in the text and undeniable, but, so be it.

Keep trying though.
For whatever reason you need it reframed

LOL! It is what it is... :)

Grace and peace to you, Rebuilder.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Sure. His ethnicity. But he also categorized himself as one of God's true Jews, which He became in the dramatic episode related to us in Acts 9.


Right, which he further explained as his "kinsman according to the flesh." And then he immediately explains that "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel... it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God."


LOL! It is what it is... :)

Grace and peace to you, Rebuilder.

There is no argument that Paul is now one new man in christ.
We all know that.
The pivot point is that there are Jews in pauls day and also now in this world.
I am declaring a no brainer fact.
There are 144k actual Jews from actual tribes.
The concept of "oh, there are no Jews today, all that is just some spiritual application as we make it up in our heads"...is plain ridiculous and debunked in Pauls statements.

 

[rwb]

There is no argument that Paul is now one new man in christ.
We all know that.
The pivot point is that there are Jews in pauls day and also now in this world.
I am declaring a no brainer fact.
There are 144k actual Jews from actual tribes.
The concept of "oh, there are no Jews today, all that is just some spiritual application as we make it up in our heads"...is plain ridiculous and debunked in Pauls statements.

Certainly there are Jews still in the world today! BUT they are not of the 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israel. As Rev 14 shows us, they are now a spiritual body of believers in heaven because they kept the faith to the end of their lives on earth.

 

[covenantee]

None of that erases the fact Paul categorized himself as Jewish.
Paul also called the unredeemed Jew his brethren

Keep trying though.
For whatever reason you need it reframed

If you have Scripture disproving Romans 2:28,29 and Revelation 2:9, please cite it.

He called the unredeemed Jew his brethren "according to the flesh". Romans 9:3

He called the redeemed Jew his brethren, without qualification.

Romans 2:28,29 and Revelation 2:9 identify the difference.

 

[The Light]

Both lot and noah have the same signature line.
" one taken one left behind... watch and be ready."
Jesus never entered the parenthesis delay into the Noah analogy.
Not only that, but Jesus inserted "normal life, peacetime, and commerce" into the noah taken analogy .
In your model, those 2 critical components are missing.
You are basing your model totally on "7 days"...which is missing in Jesus analogy.

I am basing the model of Noah for the Church as Noah is the model for the Church. It will be life as normal until the day Noah enters the ark.

As to the day of Lot, they will be saying peace and safety because the tribulation will be over. And then the Lord returns and they are cast into the wrath of God.

The rev 14 gathering is Jews gathered.

Exactly

Noah and lot are described together and are main harvest analogy.

Noah represents the first harvest, the grain harvest.
Lot represents the second harvest, the fruit harvest

Rev 14 is 3rd and 4th parts of main harvest .

They are also first fruits and then main harvest of the grape or fruit harvest.

Lot represents the Jews and the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came. The Jews are the fall fruit harvest.

They are the last gathered in the parable of the wedding supper/feast

Jacob has two brides. Both are gathered for the marriage supper.

 

[The Light]

If you have Scripture disproving Romans 2:28,29 and Revelation 2:9, please cite it.

He called the unredeemed Jew his brethren "according to the flesh". Romans 9:3

He called the redeemed Jew his brethren, without qualification.

Romans 2:28,29 and Revelation 2:9 identify the difference.

LOL. If you have any scripture that disproves scripture, please cite it.

You always forget about timing, skipping the details and jump right to the end. And then you dismiss the details.

 

[covenantee]

LOL. If you have any scripture that disproves scripture, please cite it.

I cited Scripture. He didn't.

My guffaws preceded yours.