What is "OSAS"?

[Eternally Grateful]

Ummmm.......I thought I did that!!! But I must be mistaken so here we go....

There is no need to break down each verse you quoted. The summary of the Bread of Life discourse is that Jesus was telling his disciples that they must eat Him and drink His blood if they want to have eternal life (raise up on the last day, have eternal life). In Vs 48-49 he equated himself to real bread (manna) and that we must eat this bread (literally gnaw, chew) to have eternal life. In vs 62 Jesus is conveying that the eternal-life-giving nature of the bread/wine is possible because he is God. In John 6:63, Jesus reaffirms this point: “It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life”. Jesus implicitly reaffirms his teaching on eating him, conveying that his human nature on its own could not provide eternal life, but united with his divine person, it can.

You keep referring to the his flesh and blood. what about the rest of the passage, the bread of Life.

Also. even if we stick to the flesh and blood

Jesus said: 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

He did not say may have eternal life. he said they do.

He did not say he might raise them up the last day, He said he would

6 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

He did not say he who keeps feeding on him, He said whoever feeds on him will live as he lives because of him,

He also said they will live forever.

Shortly after Jesus TOLD us that we must eat/drink him he SHOWED us how to do it at the Last Supper. He told us what to do and then he showed us how to do it. Paul makes it clear 30 years after His death they were still doing what He told them to do.

Jesus did NOY say whoever ate would recieve those things. And he did not tell us how to do it. Peter even understood what the flesh and blood was (the words I speak are spirit and truth)

As I stated earlier, 30 years later Paul re-affirmed that message.

No. Paul did not re-afirm that message. He spoke of a ceremony which represented Christ, and a ceremony to do in remembrance of him.. who gave his life that we who believe will have eternal life

About 50 years after that a student of the Apostle John (who's words you are quoting) re-affirmed that message.

That means for the first 80 years of recorded Christian history Christians practiced what Jeus taught in John 6 and re-affirmed at the Last Supper. You reject those first 80 years. Me and my Church gladly embrace them.

To suggest that He meant we are to mentally chew, gnaw on His words is.......not true.


Mary

Nope

Because no one else told us that eating the communion will grant the one who eats eternal life. and assure that they will be raised on the last day..


Again, Study the passage, not what men tell you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Immanuel=Jesus=God, saves. Not a church. The saved in Christ, his body, is the church.

Yep

Notice she accused me, then when I proved her wrong, crickets....

 

[BreadOfLife]

I re-read your and @BreadOfLife past posts. BOL didn't say that.

Mary

would you like to confess and admit you were wrong? Or do you now consider Christ's church not the Catholic church?

She has NO need for confession.
YOU misrepresented what I said by implying in that I said we were saved by grace FROM the Church.

That's NOT what I said.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You keep referring to the his flesh and blood. what about the rest of the passage, the bread of Life.
Also. even if we stick to the flesh and blood
Again, Study the passage, not what men tell you

That is hilarious, coming from a Protestant who got all of his perverse doctrines from MEN.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Yep

Notice she accused me, then when I proved her wrong, crickets....

I have found it to be naive on my part to debate Apologetics, Soteriology, etc...with Roman Catholics. Most have been indoctrinated into church ideology since infancy onward.

That hardwiring is impenetrable unless God interveans.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I told you what the Bible says.

I didn't state you said that.

Stop the baseless character assaults.

No ”baseless” character assault here.
You’re a LIAR who can’t stop lying. It’s like a disease with you.

This is what you said in post #497:
“We are saved by the free gift Immanuel paid for in full on his cross, by God's grace through faith.
Not by a church,the church.”

I NEVER made the claim that we were saved BY the Church.

ONE more time:
We are saved by God’s grace - because of what Jesus did on the cross.

But we ARE saved through His Church.
- It was the CHURCH who brought the Scriptures to the world.
- It was the CHURCH who taught the Gospel top the world.
- It was the CHURCH who carried that message through the centuries - before there ever was such a thing as a Protestant.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Absolutely then you add works to it?

We don’t “add” works to faith. Works are an essential element of Christian faith.
You cannot have true faith without wors.

All you have is belief – like the demons (James 2:!9) . . .

Read again, You are saved by GRACE through faith. (your not saved by faith)

as for a dead faith

A dead faith is NO FAITH at all.

Your not saved by grace and no faith. God will not force you to be saved, he wants you to receive it

That’s NOT what the Holy Spirit, speaking through James’ pen said.
HE said:

James 2:26
As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT DEEDS IS DEAD.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

She has NO need for confession.
YOU misrepresented what I said by implying in that I said we were saved by grace FROM the Church.

That's NOT what I said.

My friend I quoted you pretty much word for word. And I never used the word FROM, I used the word THROUGH


so now you both are liars. Will you repent?

Its all he has

He said he was saved by Grace through the catholic church

my bible says I was saved by grace Through faith.

not even close

Of course you wont repent. like most legalists. You never admit you are wrong.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That is hilarious, coming from a Protestant who got all of his perverse doctrines from MEN.

That is Hilarious, Coming from a roman catholic who got his perverse doctrines from men..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have found it to be naive on my part to debate Apologetics, Soteriology, etc...with Roman Catholics. Most have been indoctrinated into church ideology since infancy onward.

That hardwiring is impenetrable unless God interveans.

I only joined because I saw a few who I had not seen discuss this with them.

I doubt I will discuss long, just show how their arguments can be used against them,, yet they refuse to see it

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No ”baseless” character assault here.
You’re a LIAR who can’t stop lying. It’s like a disease with you.

This is what you said in post #497:
“We are saved by the free gift Immanuel paid for in full on his cross, by God's grace through faith.
Not by a church,the church.”

I NEVER made the claim that we were saved BY the Church.

ONE more time:
We are saved by God’s grace - because of what Jesus did on the cross.

But we ARE saved through His Church.
- It was the CHURCH who brought the Scriptures to the world.
- It was the CHURCH who taught the Gospel top the world.
- It was the CHURCH who carried that message through the centuries - before there ever was such a thing as a Protestant.

It was GOD who brought this stuff.

Not the church

You give to much credit to men my friend.. Why don;t you give credit to God for once?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We don’t “add” works to faith. Works are an essential element of Christian faith.
You cannot have true faith without works.

You just added works to it..and then denied it.

lol..

All you have is belief – like the demons (James 2:!9) . . .

Nope. the demons believes in one God..

I was saved by GRACE through faith, And by my new salvation, I work..

Not to get saved, but because I AM SAVED

That’s NOT what the Holy Spirit, speaking through James’ pen said.
HE said:

James 2:26
As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT DEEDS IS DEAD.

A dead faith IS NO FAITH


James did not contradict paul my friend..

Have we not been here before?

Why are you so angry?

 

[BreadOfLife]

That is Hilarious, Coming from a roman catholic who got his perverse doctrines from men..

I got my doctrines from Christ's Church, per His instruction in Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 28:19-20, Like 10:63, John 16:12-15.

YOU got YOURS from rebellious men in the 16th century and beyond who thought they knew better . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I got my doctrines from Christ's Church, per His instruction in Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 28:19-20, Like 10:63, John 16:12-15.

YOU got YOURS from rebellious men in the 16th century and beyond who thought they knew better . . .

Yet you can not even repent when you are caught in a lie.. And your doctrines do not match up with what the apostles taught..

 

[BreadOfLife]

You just added works to it..and then denied it.

lol..

No, I didn’t.

I said that Works are an essential element OF Christian faith – not an addition TO It.
You can’t be this dense . . .

Nope. the demons believes in one God..

YOU believe in MORE than one God??

I was saved by GRACE through faith, And by my new salvation, I work..
Not to get saved, but because I AM SAVED

If your faith doesn’t include obedience - -then it is NOT true faith.

Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

Rom. 16:25-27
Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen.

A dead faith IS NO FAITH
James did not contradict paul my friend..
Have we not been here before?

Yes, we have.

I suggest you refer to post #547, where I educated you about the Biblical definition of faith . . .

Why are you so angry?

Normally, I’m a very nice guy.
But, I have ZERO tolerance for people who LIE . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, I didn’t.

I said that Works are an essential element OF Christian faith – not an addition TO It.
You can’t be this dense . . .

YOU believe in MORE than one God??

If your faith doesn’t include obedience - -then it is NOT true faith.

lol. Are you that dense?

If works are required to be true faith, THEN YOUR ADDING WORKS.

i

Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

Yes. The LOVE OF CHRIST.. Not our love..

It is our faith in Gods love that saves us, not works..

Rom. 16:25-27
Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen.

Yes, we have.

I suggest you refer to post #547, where I educated you about the Biblical definition of faith . . .

Normally, I’m a very nice guy.
But, I have ZERO tolerance for people who LIE . . .

Obedience of faith

Hove you looked up to the cross. and received his gift of eternal life?

If you have, you have been obedient to faith

if you have not. Then your still in unbelief (disobedient)

Don't say your not adding works. then all you talk about is works..

 

[Shittim]

He shittim,

Do you not go to a church (man-made institution)?

Mary

I go where He tells me to go, and when I do He works through me to do His will. I see nothing in scripture indicating we are saved by church attendance. We are told to not forsake worshiping together in His name. Most churches I am aware of don't invite His presence, they only talk about Him for an hour or so. This is FAR from the church described in Acts.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

I only joined because I saw a few who I had not seen discuss this with them.

I doubt I will discuss long, just show how their arguments can be used against them,, yet they refuse to see it

It is my experience that you shall rarely encounter a Roman Catholic that will uphold a teaching not approved by their church.

The church is the arbiter between them and heaven or hell.

There is an old movie, Stigmata. The then Poe declared it anathema. And said aRoman Catholics should not watch.

My then neighbors were devout. And had 10 children all over 18 at that time. Birthing one child year after year in a 29 year marriage .

Not one watched the film .Even on PPV or DVD in the privacy of their own home. Fear.Of the church,they said.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is my experience that you shall rarely encounter a Roman Catholic that will uphold a teaching not approved by their church.

The church is the arbiter between them and heaven or hell.

There is an old movie, Stigmata. The then Poe declared it anathema. And said aRoman Catholics should not watch.

My then neighbors were devout. And had 10 children all over 18 at that time. Birthing one child year after year in a 29 year marriage .

Not one watched the film .Even on PPV or DVD in the privacy of their own home. Fear.Of the church,they said.

Thats how they get you.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Thats how they get you.

I think when the five solas was declared anathema,cursed, by the RCC's Council of Trent, it was a deep dive into
vacating the truth of God in Christ and his Gospel.