Do you speak against "Sinlessness"?
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The Spirit is our mind. The Soul is our heart and conscience. We are made up of spirit, soul and body 1 Thess 5:23. Only the body is not born again during our lifetime, but is changed afterwards. The reason is that sin originates only in our spirit and soul. The body just does what the nature tells it to do. Sin does not originate from our body, so it can wait. We can be totally born again of the Spirit in our mind and heart.
1 Corinthians 2:16
For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
Compare Romans 7:25 and Galatians 5:17 (small "s" spirit, not Spirit as some Bibles misinterpret) to see the correlation.
ok, but you didn't ask about those. I was concerned as to why? (We would differ as to the 4th but that another story)
Bob Estey
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I've been walking with the Lord for 50 years. I deal with temptation every day.
Matthew, yours better be too. Are you born again of the Spirit? Do you have any gifts? If not lets have a private conversation in the mailbox.
Romans 8:8-9
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
You can quote single passage but that do not matter if you are going against the whole grain of context, therefore you can say whatever you want to say. I do not believe you are sinless, even if you suggest that you are.
The word sinless is not in the Bible, so are you free from the desire to break any of the last 6 commandments? Those are what Jesus frees us from committing. Not immature fruit. So you may see yourself losing self-control or being unloving. Those take the rest of your life to mature in. That doesn't unqualify you from being righteous which is free from those major sins. The maturing of the fruit of the Spirit is the next step and that is to perfection. That is called holiness.
I dont wanna deceive myself, @1stCenturyLady.
Christ in me doesn't sin when abiding in him, but my flesh continues to have the desire to sin regardless, it's just a choice to abide in the vine or not.
Let me ask you, Did God love you before you continued to abide in Christ or even knew about it?
Christ in me doesn't sin when abiding in him, but my flesh continues to have the desire to sin regardless, it's just a choice to abide in the vine or not.
Let me ask you, Did God love you before you continued to abide in Christ or even knew about it?
Light and Darkness, Sin and Forgiveness
5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[b] sin.8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Love and Hatred for Fellow Believers
3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God[a] is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8 Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.
9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister[b] is still in the darkness. 10 Anyone who loves their brother and sister[c] lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11 But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.
We're not talking about when the laws of God were engraved on stone, but when they are written on your heart. Matthew you are required to obey your conscience where they are written. So do you obey your conscience and go to bed with a clear conscience?
How we could deceive ourselves is if we say we are not doing something that we are doing. So are you breaking any of the old commandments. Paul says Christians keep them with the words establish them Romans 3:31
Of course. For God so LOVED the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
That is very personal, I am conscience of my short comings, and my failures. I continue to believe that Gods grace is sufficient enough for me.
No one said anything about breaking the commandments. All that is known is to Love God, and to love others as yourself. If you hate your brother or sister, or just a stranger on the street, is that doing the will of God?
Okay.
This is to you. How can you think that 1 John 1:8 is saying Christians sin when John says the opposite.
Jesus died to be the Advocate for the whole world. It doesn't mean that Christians will sin.
Because it's paradoxical. While JEsus in you can't sin when he is coming through, but you can still have temptations and fall into sin.
I could quote more scripture but I dont see the point.
They can by their flesh. Saying they never sin again, is just bullcrap.
God's grace given to us is God's divine power. It is not unmerited favor as most people think. That phrase came about when grace became a license to sin. Look at Romans 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
Then you are not reading my posts very well.
Jesus fulfilled the commandments, and the Law is only good if you are gonna use it lawful, and it is for lawbreakers, and all those who know they are lawbreakers, put their trust and faith in the Lord Jesus, and they are made right with God.God's grace given to us is God's divine power. It is not unmerited favor as most people think. That phrase came about when grace became a license to sin. Look at Romans 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
Then you are not reading my posts very well.
Oh okay, good to know I don't read all that well. I don't even believe that some of the commandments that are said by Jesus, are even to us sometimes. That is why context is important.
Go ahead and throw away 1 John 1:8 and replace it with another, never having to admit you are a sinner ever again, I don't understand your logic... let alone see you explain the flesh vs the spirit.
People may go and sin less, but that doesn't mean they want never be tempted by sin again, either abiding in Christ, and then they dont indulge, or they could go back in the flesh do whatever the thing may be...
Whatever a person doesn't condemn himself in, he or she is okay.
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