Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

[covenantee]

If Gentiles are saved then they are no longer Gentiles is the language the Bible is using. It's a big deal because without guys like me there will be guys like you posting data about Romans 11 and saying it's about Christians when the subject matter is not about Christians.

Does the Bible claim that their physical DNA changes?

 

[Ziggy]

Act 15:14
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15
And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16
After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

So the Lord's name is Christ and the Gentiles upon whom his name is called.. is what? Christians..
As well as the residue of men, which I believe would be the Jews also called Christians if they are called by the Lords name, which is Christ.

What's the dilemma, I'm having a hard time following this conversation. lol

 

[Peterlag]

Does the Bible claim that their physical DNA changes?

Example: Romans 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

If we do not follow after to whom it is addressed and mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God. Then we will have people teaching that the above verse means that the Christian needs to understand that Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

 

[Ziggy]

Example: Romans 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

If we do not follow after to whom it is addressed and mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God. Then we will have people teaching that the above verse means that the Christian needs to understand that Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Who is Paul talking about? Who is them and they in the first line?
And who is Paul talking to concerning them and they?

 

[covenantee]

Example: Romans 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

If we do not follow after to whom it is addressed and mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God. Then we will have people teaching that the above verse means that the Christian needs to understand that Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

You didn't answer the question.

Those who are in Christ are mixed together into one spiritually according to Romans 2:28-29, Romans 10:12, Galatians 3:28 et al.

 

[Peterlag]

You didn't answer the question.

Those who are in Christ are mixed together into one spiritually according to Galatians 3:28 et al.

I did not see a biblical question for me to answer. A question with a verse.

 

[covenantee]

I did not see a biblical question for me to answer. A question with a verse.

No need for a song and dance. You're either unable or unwilling to answer.

 

[Zao is life]

Let's look at the first verse in the number one spot that you give which is...

Romans 9:24
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

The word Christian is not mentioned in this verse.

The words "of the United States" is not mentioned every time the words "President Biden" are mentioned either. According to your logic if it does not say of the United States it means he is not the President of the United States.

And if it does not say of America then it's not talking about the United States of America, according to your logic.

Jews called to faith in Christ (Romans 9:24) = Jewish Christians. Gentiles called to faith in Christ (Romans 9:24) = Gentile Christians.

Jewish Christians are mentioned in Romans 11:5. Gentile Christians among the Jewish Christian remnant are mentioned in Romans 11:17, and from there onward.
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Use the same logic that you are using here now and go tell Biden that if he is called President Biden but it does not say of the United States, then he is not the President of the United States. You might confuse poor old Biden but no one else will believe you.

 

[Zao is life]

Adam is called a “type” of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:14). The word translated as “type” in many English versions is the translation of the Greek word tupos (τύπος) which can be defined as “a type, pattern, model, or example of something else.” Although the KJV translates tupos as “figure” most of the more modern versions say “pattern” (NIV), “prototype” (HCSB), or “type” (ESV, NAB, NASB). Adam was a type, prototype, or pattern of Christ because he was fully human and began without a sin nature—and Jesus was the same: fully human and made without a sin nature. The reason no other human male after Adam could be a “type” of Christ is that we are all born with a sin nature. Adam could not be a “type” of Christ if Jesus was 100% man and 100% God because Adam did not have a “God-nature.”

Adam was a type of Christ does not mean Adam was Christ. Only Christ is fully God and fully man. Joseph was also a type of Christ. It also does not mean he was Christ. He was not fully God and fully man either.

Your argument is a nothing-burger. You use a lot of nothing-burger arguments in your confusion.

 

[Zao is life]

Because when we read the Scriptures we need to interpret the meaning as the words are used in the text. When and where we start adding all kinds of our ideas will be the day there will be nothing left of the Scriptures.

So you should stop adding all kinds of your own ideas, then.

When God says the saints He does not mean Jews. When He says the church of God in the New Testament He does not mean Gentiles.

When God says the saints He is talking about Jewish Christians, and Gentile Christians. Same when He says the church of God. Stop adding all kinds of your own ideas. Once you are done there will be nothing left of the scriptures.

 

[Zao is life]

If Gentiles are saved then they are no longer Gentiles is the language the Bible is using. It's a big deal because without guys like me there will be guys like you posting data about Romans 11 and saying it's about Christians when the subject matter is not about Christians.

Romans 11 is about Christians: Jewish and Gentile Christians.

It's also about non-Christians: Those Jews who were broken off through their unbelief + all Gentiles who do not believe.

 

[Zao is life]

Act 15:14
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15
And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16
After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

So the Lord's name is Christ and the Gentiles upon whom his name is called.. is what? Christians..
As well as the residue of men, which I believe would be the Jews also called Christians if they are called by the Lords name, which is Christ.

It's so obvious, isn't it?

What's the dilemma, I'm having a hard time following this conversation. lol

So am I :)

 

[Zao is life]

Example: Romans 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

If we do not follow after to whom it is addressed and mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God. Then we will have people teaching that the above verse means that the Christian needs to understand that Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Moses did describe the righteousness of the law, and as Paul explained, though he described the righteousness of the law and said that the man who does those things shall live by them, it was always however, impossible for man, because of sin:

3 For they, being ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes.
5 For Moses writes of the righteousness which is of the Law, "The man who does those things shall live by them."
6 But the righteousness of faith says this: "Do not say in your heart, Who shall ascend into Heaven?" that is, to bring Christ down;
7 or "Who shall descend into the deep?"; that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.
8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, even in your mouth and in your heart"; that is, the word of faith which we proclaim;
9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone believing on Him shall not be put to shame."

And Paul was addressing Jewish and Gentile Christians.

 

[ewq1938]

Find a verse outside of Romans 9 through 11 that says Gentile Christian. In fact, give me a verse that says that anywhere.

The NT does not support anyone being a male and a Christian since there is no male (or female in Christ). It's a dumb argument to make though and same with there being no Jewish or Gentille Christians.

 

[Jack]

Then you should be shuddering.

(Because you are one of the identity thieves).

Who's identity did I try to STEAL? Please stop LYING!

 

[Jack]

Israel is made up of people. People in all four corners of the globe. Your Israel is dead because it's land without people.

Israel exists in the land God gave to the descendants of Abraham today, in the form of Jews in Christ.

You can't prove any of that! lol

Israel is home to stay! Get a map. Why aren't you in Israel fighting for Israel? Too scary?

 

[rwb]

What's the dilemma, I'm having a hard time following this conversation. lol

I'm with you! It's become very bizarre!

 

[rwb]

Adam was a type of Christ does not mean Adam was Christ. Only Christ is fully God and fully man. Joseph was also a type of Christ. It also does not mean he was Christ. He was not fully God and fully man either.

Your argument is a nothing-burger. You use a lot of nothing-burger arguments in your confusion.

Amen!

 

[Ziggy]

I asked my mom once, what nationality am I?
She said I was a mixed breed lol. I think i'm part english, french, german, and irish. I could be of the lineage of the lost ten tribes for all I know.
Idk. And I won't send my dna to some org to replicate it for diseases either.. anywho.

Christianity is an identity of who you are, not what you are. Because Jesus took the what out of the who. That was the partition that divided the nations. The I am this nationality and I am that nationality is what caused the division in the first place.
But it was God that divided them in the first place.
He took a people from here and a people from there and gave them their identities. Israel, Gentiles, Egyptians, Philistines... etc.
And what God has divided he has now united under one banner and one name. That is Christ.

Act 10:15
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Mar 10:9
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Doesn't say God never did the seperating, because that's his job not man's.

To say there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ, doesn't mean they lose their nationality, but they do give up their personal identity.
I am no longer a Gentile woman, I am a child of God. I am Christ's. I am Christian. Even though I still have the flesh identity of being a mixed breed.

It's not about the outside, the flesh identity. It's about the heart and the spirit of the person who now belongs to Christ's family.

Because it's not the flesh and blood that enters into heaven, it is the heart and mind and spirit.

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and all thy mind and all thy might.
These are what matter to God, not your nationality. Maybe at one time it did, but through Christ not any more.


Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Hugs

 

[Peterlag]

The NT does not support anyone being a male and a Christian since there is no male (or female in Christ). It's a dumb argument to make though and same with there being no Jewish or Gentille Christians.

So many have a hard time understanding this because they look at the Scriptures through their own image. It's why we have people teaching that Christians should understand that Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. And then they go off and teach that we need to obey much of the Law. All because they don't understand to whom it is addressed. So they mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God,

Romans 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.