Since you agree there is no sin, where there is no sinning act of disobedience and transgression. Then you must be saying conception is an act of sin, and taking shape in the womb is sinful.
- Every person is born in sin. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother a conceive me. Psalm 51:5
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
And since it is Christ that creates us and makes and shapes us in the womb, then you are now saying Christ is indeed the Maker of things shaped sinfully by Him. And you praise Him for that?
That is not my Christ nor my Maker, nor do I praise the devil for making up such a lie about God.
James 1 rebukes sinners, that say it's God who makes them to sin, because God 'made them that way' in the womb.
I am not bound by translations that lead to false traditions.
Behold, I was shapen into iniquity; and into sin did my mother conceive me.
This is as accurate as the other translation, without leading to false tradition of men, and confirming the Bible that says all men have sinned.
Every person is born unto sinning with the world.
Since sin entered into the world by man sinning, and there are still men and women sinning in the world, then all babes are still born into a whole world of iniquity, that lies in wickedness.
And so was Jesus Christ, when He came in the same exact flesh of all men, by the seed of David.
Wow! Congratulations! You were shaped and born a devil! Praise Him for it like the Psalmist!Read that ... are you blind - it's right there!
This is where false traditions lead to imaginative things, that any sensible person would know is unreal.More ...
Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies. Psalm 58:3
I can safely say, there has never ever been any babe exiting the womb and speaking, much less spreading lies.
Once again, all translation and interpretation must be in context of all the Bible, otherwise, out of context people might start saying babes to run astray speaking lies as soon as the unbiblical cord is cut.
The only thing coming out of the mouth of babes, is justly screaming at being whacked on the Bible. Other than that, it's just gurgles, cryings, and other unintelligible baby sounds for a while the following months.
Babes born into wicked homes learn to curse first. Not so in homes of the people of the Lord.
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Such babes are blessed to be consecrated to the Lord from the womb. And though the Psalmist didn'/t say it at the time, He later did from the heart knowing it to be blessedly true.
Though all babes are lighted by Christ coming into the world, not all babes are blessed to be consecrated to Him in a godly home.
However, though I was not so consecrated at birth, and I am certainly thankful to God, that I was brought into some sorry Christian home, where my own parents started telling me I was doing wrong, because I was born of the devil from the get go.
Now that certainly would have put me on the straight and narrow alright. It also would have made coming to Christ making me a devil in the first place.
Nor has any babe ever been born thinking thoughts and intents of the heart, much less evil ones." ...every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time." Gen. 6:5
For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil...
This certainly includes at birth and beyond, until learning to do one or the other, and knowing it by doing it.
Man, you really do want evil to be everywhere all the time. Sort of helps you to fit right in, right? Afterall, you are the one preaching sinning with the flesh as much as you want."All the time" means there was never a time that it wasn't.
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
You also therefore impute your sinful living to every one else, which is the modus aporandi of such unrepented Christians, who insist it's not possible not to be sinning like them.
Why do you Christians always have to include everyone else in your sinful ways? Do you really think it justifies you with God? I mean, you are speaking of a time when 'everybody doing it' didn't help from being judged and condemned by God. (And everybody wasn't nor isn't doing it)
This why you are not trying to teach that there was never any time earth any man was not sinning against God, including Adam in the garden and Jesus in the manger.
Makes sense. Man started cursing and lying as soon as God breathed His Spirit into his body. This also chimes with Christ being the Maker of sinners at creation. It now includes the Holy Spirit of grace breathing evil thoughts into Adam's heart and mind.
You also accuse Noah of being one of them, since there was never a time when any man was not imagining and doing evil, including Adam at creation and while being sinfully shaped by the Lord.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Of man is not every man. It was great continual wickedness at that time. All the time continually at that time, is not all time of history, nor today, nor before Adam sinned, nor during the whole life of Jesus.
Back to the sin nature thingy, that was put into every heart of men coming into the world, and darkened in their minds by your christ.It didn't become evil, the human heart is. Our nature was corrupted.
Not my Christ.
Not so long as you continue to respond to me challenges, which you have done once specifically, to the sin 'substance' part. As well as acknowledge Christ made no such thing, nor makes men sinful with such things. And your good teaching on how there is no such thing without committing it.False.
There is no use to continue, it's beating a dead horse.
Which I was agreeing with, and still do, though you later disannul it to keep holding to your 'men by nature sinful' from the womb tradition.
Or you can eve come up with some new twist to it. But, you have done as I asked, and so I will keep my promise to read your papers. If there's a new twist in that, then I'll respond to it here. Thanks.