The end in relation to when Christ initially returns.

[Zao is life]

In Revelation 18:2 Babylon is the hold of every foul spirit and cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Wherever in time you place Babylon, it has to contain Satan because Satan is foul and unclean.

If Premil has Babylon being no more by the time Christ returns then sometime prior to the second coming Satan is in Babylon. I’m just wondering if Satan can still deceive the nations while he’s in Babylon.

And one of the seven angels who had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying,
And one of the seven angels who had the seven vials came and talked with me, saying to me,

Come here, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot sitting on many waters. ( (Revelation 21:9 & Revelation 17:1).

New Jerusalem is a city of gold, precious stones and pearls (Revelation 21:10-11 & 18-21).
The harlot is "..gilded with gold, precious stones and pearls,having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her FORNICATION" (Revelation 17:4).

The history of God's elect people and the writings of the prophets are full of examples where the unfaithful and the group of unfaithful running around in-between the faithful among the elect nation, are called a harlot by God.

We are now talking about the faithful church and the unfaithful part of the church - New Jerusalem vs. the harlot, a.k.a Babylon the Great.

The hold of every foul spirit and cage of every unclean and hateful bird is talking about the doctrines and practices of the part of the church that God considers a harlot.

It has nothing to do with either the place where angels who sinned are held in chains of darkness, or with the abyss where Satan will be bound.

Nor just because the ancient city of Babylon that sat on many waters ("catholic") is a symbol for this harlot that sits on many waters (catholic), does the unfaithful 'city' that sits on many waters have anything to do with the abyss where Satan will be bound.​

You're conflating things that have nothing to do with one another, except that the harlot no doubt makes Satan a happy devil because she does exactly what he would want her to do, and teaches the saints exactly the kind of confusion and false doctrine he would want her to do.

But the devil's 10 kings are going to hate the harlot , eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

She goes down long before the devil does.

 

[grafted branch]

The hold of every foul spirit and cage of every unclean and hateful bird is talking about the doctrines and practices of the part of the church that God considers a harlot.

Can you provide verses to support the idea of foul spirits and hateful birds = doctrine and practices of the church?

 

[ScottA]

I'm new here and all, yet some of you already know me from other boards since I recognize some of you from these same boards.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

I would think, if nothing else, pretty much everyone is in agreement that verse 24 is meaning after the great white throne judgment.

So let's assume a hypothetical scenario here. When Christ intially returns it is 12 PM central time on a Monday of a particular month and a particular year. Obviously, for example, 24 hours later it is another day, thus no longer this same day He initially returned. Unless the end meant in verse 24 above occurs within 24 hours or less of Him having returned, it is ludicrous to insist there are no more days remaining once He has returned.

The point being, no way could the great white throne judgment be involving just 24 hours or less. Therefore, once He returns there has to be more days remaining in order to allow for the great white throne judgment eventually. Which means it is not preposterous that some of these days can be involving the millennium and satan's little season after He has initially returned since it is already impossible that verse 24 above can be meaning within 24 hours or less of Him having returned based on the amount of time the great white throne judgment alone will be involving.

For some reason Amils just can't seem to grasp how utterly ludicrous it is that verse 24 above is meaning 24 hours or less of Him having returned. As if it makes sense that in this same 24 hour window of time the great white throne judgment begins and is finished entirely.

Please don't be offended--but welcome! Yet, I must say that, what you have posted above is the thinking of men (as men of the world think) through the lens of time as opposed to the timeless terms of God, by which such matters must be considered in order to have understanding.

If you can receive it--this is what Paul referred to as "rightly dividing the word of truth." In other words, the scriptures tell the truth of God, but they too for the most part are given through that same lens of time-released revelations "here a little, there a little" unto the end, and therefore must be translated back through that time-timeless chasm (or "rightly divided"). Each truth then, whether worldly or godly, is only true according to its rightful essence. Such is the mystery of God.

In this way, the scriptures then describe an uncommon narrative held in mystery "as He declared to His servants the prophets" until just prior to the sounding of the seventh angel marking the end of days/times. This is that time foretold, and the means by which I have revealed it to you.

Regarding the end vs. the return of Christ: He does not return physically but spiritually, as He said, “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me." Meaning (as He also said) "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me." Which is to say, the event occurs within, just as "the kingdom of God is within you." And to clarify, after Paul addressed the matter by generalizing by groups, he then said, "but each one in his own order" personally.

Thus, the idea of a mass one-time event...is the foolishness of natural men assuming all things by their own understanding.

In which case, the truth according to God's own terms, is we all individually come into His presence from the beginning to the end of time--each in our own time. Then comes the end.

 

[ewq1938]

What does Premil do with Babylon? In Revelation 18:2 it becomes the hold of every foul spirit.

If Babylon is the bottomless pit then it would seem to cause issues with Revelation 18:4 where my people are commanded to come out of her, meaning humans are in the bottomless pit.

If Babylon is not the bottomless pit then you have Satan being bound in some kind of way just as the Amil do.

Babylon is clearly not symbolic of the pit. Babylon are people who are deceived and worship the beast ie: false religion. The word means confusion.

 

[Davidpt]

In Revelation 18:2 Babylon is the hold of every foul spirit and cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Wherever in time you place Babylon, it has to contain Satan because Satan is foul and unclean.

If Premil has Babylon being no more by the time Christ returns then sometime prior to the second coming Satan is in Babylon. I’m just wondering if Satan can still deceive the nations while he’s in Babylon.

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


It seems to me that what is recorded in Revelation 18:23---for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived---the fact it obviously involves satan being behind this deception, it either leads to what is recorded in Revelation 20:1-3 or it's meaning at the end of what is recorded in Revelation 20:7-10. No matter how you look at it, the time frame involving what's recorded in Revelation 18, it would be when satan is actively deceiving the nations, otherwise how does Revelation 18:23 make any sense if it's telling us that during the period of time Revelation 18 is involving, were all nations deceived?

And like I already pointed out, at the time of Revelation 18:23 it either leads to what is recorded in Revelation 20:1-3 or is meaning at the end of what is recorded in Revelation 20:7-10. The fact verse 3 tells us this---that he should deceive the nations no more---well that was exactly what he was doing as of Revelation 18:23, right? Which then makes sense that it leads to him getting bound so that he can no longer continue deceiving the nations. But that's not the end of it, it goes on to say, and after that he must be loosed a little season. Meaning Revelation 20:7-9. That's one way to look at it.

The other way to look at is like such. As of Revelation 18:23 we are at the end of Revelation 20:7-10, not at the beginning of Revelation 20:1-3 instead. We basically have 2 options here involving what is recorded in Revelation 18:23.

Option 1) we are at the end of this age which then leads to satan getting bound so that he can no longer deceive the nations. Followed by him being loosed and deceiving the nations yet again, with this time around leading to his destruction in the LOF.

Option 2) satan is first bound then towards the end of this age he is loosed and that Revelation 18 is involving when he is loosed, it is involving his little season, and as of Revelation 18:23 we are at the end of his little season.

IMO, both options are valid. And the only way to determine which option is the likely best choice, we have to factor in other Scriptures, such as Zechariah 14, Revelation 20:4, since that verse tells us that the beast is already out of the pit before satan is even loosed after the thousand years. Clearly---and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands(Revelation 20:4), this is involving the 42 month reign of the beast per Revelation 13 and that this verse places that reign prior to satan being loosed. Which tends to prove Premil not Amil. How can the 42 month reign of the beast happen after the thousand years if Revelation 20:4 is already proving it can't?

IOW, since the 42 month reign can't fit after the thousand years, and that it definitely can't fit during the thousand years, that leaves only one option remaining, it is meaning prior to the beginning of the thousand years, which per Premil equals the end of this age, exactly the era of time Revelation 18 is involving. Which also means Revelation 18 is involving the 42 month reign of the beast since that reign has to precede the 2nd coming no matter how you look at it.

 

[PinSeeker]

Well from what I can see your argument is tantamount to asserting that Satan had to be bound in order for Abraham to have believed God's message, and he had to be bound again and again repeatedly so that Isaac, Jacob, Moses, the prophets etc could all believe God's message.

How could John the Baptist have believed God's message, for that matter, if Satan needed to be bound first so that the Word of God could go out?​

Are not Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses... and John the Baptist... all individuals... and members of the one nation Israel? The first three are givens, of course, but as you may know, John the Baptist was the son of Zechariah, who himself was a priest of the order of Abijah. the son of Jeroboam, who was the son of Nebat, who was of the tribe of Ephraim, whose father was Joseph, who was Jacob's ~ Israel's ~ son... so, yes, all Israelites of God.

And you and I are, too, now, being born again of the Holy Spirit, because Jesus made that possible ~ for Gentiles to no longer be excluded but included, by being placed in Christ and thereby:

• grafted in (Romans 11) to the Vine, Who of course, is Jesus
• no longer aliens or strangers but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God (Paul, Ephesians 2)
• true Jews in the way Paul describes even Gentiles in Romans 2:29... "a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit."

I think your argument imagines that Satan had all this power over God before Jesus died and rose again and ensured he got 'bound'.

Well no, but he was allowed ~ by God ~ to deceive the nations (prevent the spread of the Gospel beyond Israel) before Jesus opened the Gospel to the Gentiles. Satan is always was and is completely under the authority of God, as everyone and every thing, even nature itself, is. That doesn't seem too hard to understand.

...he never ever had the power over God to prevent His Word from going out that you have ascribed to him by your argument...

I have not ascribed this in any way; no, he never had the power over God... but God allowed it, much as he allowed Satan to have his way with Job, except for Job's life, of course.

He is a defeated foe, not one who is absent from the scene every time he might hear someone sharing the gospel. He's not even omnipresent, and never was. His ability is restricted to be roaming about on the earth like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. No binding in it. (Bind a lion and watch it roam around seeking whom it may devour. The two do not happen together. The lion is either bound, or it is not).

See above. Again, Satan was allowed ~ by God ~ to deceive the nations (prevent the spread of the Gospel beyond Israel) before Jesus opened the Gospel to the Gentiles. But since then, he is bound ~ rendered completely incapable of ~ deceiving the nations (preventing the spread of the Gospel beyond Israel). That doesn't seem too hard to understand. Now, why God allowed it is an entirely different question, to which the answer would basically be:

• as God Himself says through Isaiah in chapter 55 (vv.8-9) of his prophecy, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways... For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts"
• as David says in Psalm 139:6, "Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high; I cannot attain it"
• and as Paul says at the end of Romans 11, "Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been His counselor?"

Grace and peace to you.

 

[grafted branch]

Babylon is clearly not symbolic of the pit. Babylon are people who are deceived and worship the beast ie: false religion. The word means confusion.

Alright then should we conclude that according to Revelation 18:2 Satan is caged or held in those that are deceived and worship the beast? Meaning Satan can go around like a roaring lion but there is a partition of sorts that can’t be crossed?

 

[grafted branch]

It seems to me that what is recorded in Revelation 18:23---for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived---the fact it obviously involves satan being behind this deception

I don’t necessarily agree with this point because people can be deceived by other means than Satan. We can deceive ourselves, 1 John 1:8 and as we see in 1 Kings 22:21-23 there are other spirits that can persuade or deceive.

I personally think Babylon is Jerusalem and I know you don’t agree with that but I can see how you are reasoning this from the Premil view point. I’ll have to look closer at your options at a later time.

 

[PinSeeker]

Alright then should we conclude that according to Revelation 18:2 Satan is caged or held in those that are deceived and worship the beast? Meaning Satan can go around like a roaring lion but there is a partition of sorts that can’t be crossed?

I think the problem, GB, is that ~ and not that anyone means to do this, but ~ some folks have some preconceived idea about what it means to be bound and/or sealed and just won't see it for what it is in Scripture. I think it could be somewhat helpful ~ somewhat at least ~ to imagine a prison inmate, who can still be influential to folks on the outside even while imprisoned, even in very manipulative and/or malevolent ways... but is completely unable to extort, or rape, or murder, or whatever crime he or she committed. It's an earthly example, but still applicable.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Davy]

These are probably your strongest points against Amil, the fact that it is plainly obvious to a lot of us that verse 4 and 5 involve Christ's bodily return in the end of this age, and that verses 16-19 are meaning post His return. And that these in verses 16-19 are not meaning the saved who put on bodily immortality during the 2nd coming if they can be punished for not complying with what is being commanded of them. Those verses involve being ruled over with a rod of iron. Wonder where these in verses 16-19 come from if Amils insist there are no mortal survivors once the 2nd coming occurs? Did Zechariah lie to us or something?

The Amills simply go into 'denial' state about that Zechariah 14:16-19 Truth, as they also do with other Bible Scripture that disproves the Amill theory. And doing that 'denial' thing is also what little children do that refuse to admit guilt of a wrong pointed out to them.

 

[Davidpt]

I don’t necessarily agree with this point because people can be deceived by other means than Satan. We can deceive ourselves, 1 John 1:8 and as we see in 1 Kings 22:21-23 there are other spirits that can persuade or deceive.

I personally think Babylon is Jerusalem and I know you don’t agree with that but I can see how you are reasoning this from the Premil view point. I’ll have to look closer at your options at a later time.

Still hard to imagine, the fact it's involving the deceiving of all nations, that the father of deception, satan himself, played no role in anything pertaining to what is recorded in Revelation 18. If you want to believe that, that's fine, but I sure see no reason to believe that, that satan is not even connected with the deception involving all nations.

 

[PinSeeker]

The Amills simply go into 'denial' state about that Zechariah 14:16-19...

Absolutely not, but we do have a little different understanding of it that you and other Premillennial folks ~ all varieties of them ~ do.

Truth, as they also do with other Bible Scripture that disproves the Amill theory.

So goes the Premillennial narrative...

And doing that 'denial' thing is also what little children do that refuse to admit guilt of a wrong pointed out to them.

LOL! Ah, opinions... Oh, well:

Grace and peace to you, Davy.

 

[PinSeeker]

Still hard to imagine, the fact it's involving the deceiving of all nations, that the father of deception, satan himself, played no role in anything pertaining to what is recorded in Revelation 18. If you want to believe that, that's fine, but I sure see no reason to believe that, that satan is not even connected with the deception involving all nations.

I do appreciate your civility and your ability to discuss things calmly without any sort of bitterness or malevolence, David. Grace and peace to you.

 

[ewq1938]

Alright then should we conclude that according to Revelation 18:2 Satan is caged or held in those that are deceived and worship the beast? Meaning Satan can go around like a roaring lion but there is a partition of sorts that can’t be crossed?

The only thing satan is caged/held in against his will is when he is imprisoned in the pit. Until then, he is free to roam anywhere in the world and at some point even going to heaven to start a war. I believe that war happened already but some think it's future.

 

[Davidpt]

I think the problem, GB, is that ~ and not that anyone means to do this, but ~ some folks have some preconceived idea about what it means to be bound and/or sealed and just won't see it for what it is in Scripture. I think it could be somewhat helpful ~ somewhat at least ~ to imagine a prison inmate, who can still be influential to folks on the outside even while imprisoned, even in very manipulative and/or malevolent ways... but is completely unable to extort, or rape, or murder, or whatever crime he or she committed. It's an earthly example, but still applicable.

Grace and peace to you.

Let's look at some of this from the following perspective, focusing on the following phrase per the KJV in this case---no more. That exact phrase is found in the following verses in Revelation.


Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

What does no more mean in this verse?


Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

What does no more mean in this verse?

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

What does no more mean in this verse?

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

What does no more mean in this verse?

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

What does no more mean in this verse?

I would think no more means the same thing in every one of those verses, that it means exactly what it says.
Which should mean no more means exactly what it says in the following verse below as well. That it literally means no more, that during the thousand years, regardless how one wants to interpret nation, not one single nation will be being deceived during the thousand years by satan. If you disagree, take Revelation 21:4, for instance. Instead of it meaning no more death it apparently means more death if Revelation 20:3 can mean satan can still deceive nations during the thousand years.

If we interpret nation to be individuals, has there been any individuals since satan has allegedly been bound that have been being deceived by him? How about billions of individuals have been the fact not everyone during the past 2000 years have been believers? So why does no more death mean no more death but no more deceiving the nations means still deceiving the nations?

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[PinSeeker]

I would think no more means the same thing in every one of those verses, that it means exactly what it says.

I do, too, David. But the context is a bit different in Revelation 18 and 20, and especially from Revelation 21 and 22.

If we interpret nation to be individuals...

Why would you do that? If you're insinuating that that's what I have interpreted, then you've misunderstood what I have said. I have said that 'nations' are 'people groups, and that can be based on different factors. One thing I think several posters here have done ~ in error ~ is interpreted 'nations' to be nation-states, or physical countries, or governments... or all of those.

So why does no more death mean no more death but no more deceiving the nations means still deceiving the nations?

Yeah, again, that question can't really arise out of what I have said... although I certainly see how it might seem so.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Satan is bound from deceiving the nations... from any ability whatsoever to prevent the spread of the Gospel to any people groups of any kind beyond ethnic Israel. Thus, Jesus's command ~ after His crucifixion and resurrection ~ to His disciples and to us to "go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded us" (Matthew 28:19-20). Before then, you'll agree (I think), no command of this sort was ever given, and there is a reason for that... multiple reasons, really, but, with regard to what Jesus says of Satan's binding in Matthew 12:28-29 ~ "if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house..." ~ and what John relates to us from his vision in Revelation 20 ~ "...He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended..." ~ it has been made possible even for us to fulfill that command.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[grafted branch]

I think the problem, GB, is that ~ and not that anyone means to do this, but ~ some folks have some preconceived idea about what it means to be bound and/or sealed and just won't see it for what it is in Scripture. I think it could be somewhat helpful ~ somewhat at least ~ to imagine a prison inmate, who can still be influential to folks on the outside even while imprisoned, even in very manipulative and/or malevolent ways... but is completely unable to extort, or rape, or murder, or whatever crime he or she committed. It's an earthly example, but still applicable.

Grace and peace to you.

Yes, I agree. I understand where you’re coming from, I used to be Amil at one time but now I lean towards preterist.

I tend to learn more when conversations are good natured even when we disagree on things. In the few posts of yours that I’ve read so far I see this quality. I try to be that way but sometimes it’s not easy.

 

[PinSeeker]

Yes, I agree. I understand where you’re coming from, I used to be Amil at one time but now I lean towards preterist.

Interesting. Well that's not a huge jump. Preterism is toward the opposite end of the spectrum from Amillennialism than Premillennialism, but not nearly as big a... well, a jump.

I tend to learn more when conversations are good natured even when we disagree on things. In the few posts of yours that I’ve read so far I see this quality.

Well, thanks. It's easier ~ and freeing, really ~ when we realize that it's not up to us to convince. That's God's job, more specifically, the Holy Spirit. But even beyond that, the only thing that's really important is that Jesus is coming back, and He's going to restore everything to how it was always meant to be, and there will be no more sin, no more death, etc. Like Han Solo said in The Force Awakens:

I try to be that way but sometimes it’s not easy.

Understood. I'm right there with ya.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Interesting. Well that's not a huge jump. Preterism is toward the opposite end of the spectrum from Amillennialism than Premillennialism, but not nearly as big a... well, a jump.


Well, thanks. It's easier ~ and freeing, really ~ when we realize that it's not up to us to convince. That's God's job, more specifically, the Holy Spirit. But even beyond that, the only thing that's really important is that Jesus is coming back, and He's going to restore everything to how it was always meant to be, and there will be no more sin, no more death, etc. Like Han Solo said in The Force Awakens:

Understood. I'm right there with ya.

Grace and peace.

It seems to be a great deal of importance regarding the understanding that the false messiah returns first.

 

[Zao is life]

Can you provide verses to support the idea of foul spirits and hateful birds = doctrine and practices of the church?

Deuternonomy 14
11 You shall eat all clean birds.

Leviticus 20
25 Therefore you must distinguish between the clean animal and the unclean, and between the unclean bird and the clean, and you must not make yourselves detestable by means of an animal or bird or anything that creeps on the ground - creatures I have distinguished for you as unclean.
26 You must be holy to me because I, the Lord, am holy, and I have set you apart from the other peoples to be mine.

Jeremiah 12
8 My inheritance is to Me as a lion in the forest; it cries out against Me; therefore I have hated it.​

9 My inheritance is like a speckled bird to Me; the birds all around are against her. Go, gather all the beasts of the field, bring them to devour.

10 Many shepherds have destroyed My vineyard; they have trampled My portion under foot; they have made My pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

Jeremiah 5
26 For among My people are found wicked ones; they lie in wait, as one who sets snares; they set a trap, they catch men.
27 Like a cage full of birds, so their houses are full of deceit; therefore they have become great and grown rich.

31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so, and what will you do at the end of it?

Zechariah 13
2 And it shall be in that day, says the LORD of hosts, I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall be remembered no more. And also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

Revelation 18
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great has fallen, has fallen! And it has become the dwelling-place of demons, and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a cage of every unclean bird which has been hated.​