John 6 and the bread from heaven

[Ziggy]

I wish solving this 2000 year long problem was that easy Nancy LOL

It's a good thread. It's a hard topic.
Maybe a little more decorum would be helpful.

Thank you for your service 07
Hugs

 

[Marymog]

I hope people remember, I opened this thread to show that John 6 is not so hard to understand that we do not need to have teachers explain it to us. That we can understand ourselves. If we just listen

that like we can see the difference between those who say 2 + 2 = 4 and those that say 2 + 2 = 5 and determine by what they say who is telling the truth and who is not.

God did not leave us with a word that returned void.. He did give us teachers. But he also gave us the word to test each teacher. To make sure, they, who are fleshy sinners like we are, do not teach us something that is wrong.. and lead us astry

look how many Men in the Bible started of on the right track then got off kilter and started spreading lies..

You are killing me EG....Just killing me. The more I read what you write I get more and more concerned for you.

Scripture does not support your theory that any man can read Scripture and understand it for themselves if they just listen!! Scripture says opposite of that. What you have written is not true. Jesus was a teacher of the Truth. He then taught the Apostles the Truth. They then taught other men the Truth. Those men then taught other men the Truth etc etc etc. You are truly confused if you think that at some point in the last 2,000 years, we all of a sudden didn't need "teachers to explain it to us". Whatever teacher taught you that LIED to you OR they don't understand Scripture. Either way you have been lied to or you chose a teacher that is a sheep in wolves clothing.

You started this thread with a restriction: If you are going to try and prove my interpretation of John 6 wrong you can only use John 6 to prove my interpretation of John 6 is wrong. That is NOT how hermeneutics works. If your teacher taught you that they are a bad teacher. If you taught yourself that you are deceiving yourself.

You started this thread so you can bloviate about what you believe and tell everyone else they are wrong. I am sure you, at one time in your life, started off on the right track. You have fulfilled your own accusation of other men: got off kilter and started spreading lies..

 

[Ziggy]

I hope people remember, I opened this thread to show that John 6 is not so hard to understand that we do not need to have teachers explain it to us. That we can understand ourselves. If we just listen

that like we can see the difference between those who say 2 + 2 = 4 and those that say 2 + 2 = 5 and determine by what they say who is telling the truth and who is not.

God did not leave us with a word that returned void.. He did give us teachers. But he also gave us the word to test each teacher. To make sure, they, who are fleshy sinners like we are, do not teach us something that is wrong.. and lead us astry

look how many Men in the Bible started of on the right track then got off kilter and started spreading lies..

That's why the laity, whether Jew or Gentile were kept from reading the Torah or the Prophets or the NT.
That way they can control what you believe and how you are taught.
They believe they have all the answers and I would ask them (The leaders of the church) Where wast thou when God laid the foundation?
Carnal men trying to dictate spiritual truths which they themselves do not fully understand and neither can they.

It's about power. It's about control. It's about who you worship man or God.
They can't see it because it's them doing it.
And nothing is going to change their minds except an act of God.

If you were on a desert island and there was nothing but you and God. And you believed God, and had faith in God.
Then on that alone you would be saved.
You don't need cups or platters or bowls or temples or linen costumes or big hats, or even stairs to climb to put yourself above others.
None of these things will save you or even bring you closer to God.

You can't get any closer to God than having his own spirit in you, in me.
That's the bottom line.

Hugs

 

[Marymog]

Just a general warning to those who are slinging insults and name calling, if it continues, I will have to close the thread.
Just letting you know :)
Hugs :)

If I have done that please let me know which post(s) it was so I can clarify, apologize or prove my case.

Respectfully, Mary

 

[Ziggy]

Ouch:

Scripture does not support your theory that any man can read Scripture and understand it for themselves if they just listen!! Scripture says opposite of that. What you have written is not true. Jesus was a teacher of the Truth. He then taught the Apostles the Truth. They then taught other men the Truth. Those men then taught other men the Truth etc etc etc. You are truly confused if you think that at some point in the last 2,000 years, we all of a sudden didn't need "teachers to explain it to us".

1Jo 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[Ziggy]

Jesus IS Truth. Jesus taught the Apostles that He IS the Truth, the Apostle taught other men that Jesus IS the Truth.
And man did what they would with that truth and twisted it into pretzels.

Best to have the Truth speak for itself I always say.

:)

 

[Marymog]

Ouch:



1Jo 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

That passage is to the men who have been taught by HIM. That passage means no man can teach THEM because they are, by His anointing, the teachers of other men.

Like I said: Jesus taught the Apostles. The Apostles then taught other men. Those men then taught other ment etc etc. That passage supports EXACTLY what I said.

Thanks for using Scripture to prove me right.....

 

[Mr E]

If I have done that please let me know which post(s) it was so I can clarify, apologize or prove my case.

Respectfully, Mary

How about those posts where you blatantly call EG-- "LIAR?" (i.e. #225 and #226)

This conversation has become personal and unworthy of continuing.

 

[Marymog]

Jesus IS Truth. Jesus taught the Apostles that He IS the Truth, the Apostle taught other men that Jesus IS the Truth.
And man did what they would with that truth and twisted it into pretzels.

Best to have the Truth speak for itself I always say.

:)

That makes ZERO sense.....

Jesus taught the Apostles the Truth. Plain and simple.

Why would you twist that FACT?

Keeping it real with the Truth....Mary

 

[Marymog]

How about those posts where you blatantly call EG-- "LIAR?" (i.e. #225 and #226)

This conversation has become personal and unworthy of continuing.

If I was to say right now "I never called EG a liar" you could quote my posts where I in fact did call EG a liar.

I can prove my case against EG. Is it personal when someone lies OR is it personal when someone calls out a lie? Is this thread only unworthy of continuing because I saw something walking and quacking like a duck, so I called it a duck? Or is it unworthy of continuing because of the lies?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

How about those posts where you blatantly call EG-- "LIAR?" (i.e. #225 and #226)

This conversation has become personal and unworthy of continuing.

How about those posts where EG lied? Can you find those? Do you want to find those?

You found the posts where I called EG a liar and suggested that doing that this conversation is personal and unworthy of continuing. Are you taking sides? Or are you going to look at this objectively?

Curious Mary

 

[Mr E]

If I was to say right now "I never called EG a liar" you could quote my posts where I in fact did call EG a liar.

I can prove my case against EG. Is it personal when someone lies OR is it personal when someone calls out a lie? Is this thread only unworthy of continuing because I saw something walking and quacking like a duck, so I called it a duck? Or is it unworthy of continuing because of the lies?

Curious Mary

Dear Rude Mary,

Stop quacking.

 

[Marymog]

Dear Rude Mary,

Stop quacking.

Got it. You are not objective. Condescending, YES! Objective? No!

 

[Marymog]

In fact. John tells us that the words are written to us so we may not be decieved

Where does John tell us that?

Curious Mary

 

[Ziggy]

That passage is to the men who have been taught by HIM. That passage means no man can teach THEM because they are, by His anointing, the teachers of other men.

Like I said: Jesus taught the Apostles. The Apostles then taught other men. Those men then taught other ment etc etc. That passage supports EXACTLY what I said.

Thanks for using Scripture to prove me right.....

So continuing on with that same passage, who is John talking to?

1Jo 2:28
And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
1Jo 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

anytime.

 

[Ziggy]

How about those posts where you blatantly call EG-- "LIAR?" (i.e. #225 and #226)

This conversation has become personal and unworthy of continuing.

If you can overlook them (isolated) posts though..
I'm discovering new things everywhere.
I'm enjoying this thread myself.
I'm sorry if others are having a hard time with it.
Me, I'm just digging and studying and having a good time.

 

[Ziggy]

That makes ZERO sense.....

Jesus taught the Apostles the Truth. Plain and simple.

Why would you twist that FACT?

Keeping it real with the Truth....Mary

Mary, you worry me...

Jhn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What part did I twist?

 

[Marymog]

So continuing on with that same passage, who is John talking to?

1Jo 2:28
And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
1Jo 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

anytime.

Who are the "little children" that John is talking about Ziggy?

They are the ones that heard from the beginning (vs 24).

Who are the little children that heard from the beginning Ziggy? Not you, 2,000 years later. Not your Protestant fathers who read those words 1,600 years later. Those passages are from a letter to specific people at that specific time WHO HAVE HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING! Those passages are NOT to every Christian that will live for eternity. That letter from John is not written to YOU!

Nothing in those passages from 1 John 2 that you quoted supports the theory that any man can read Scripture and understand it for themselves if they just listen!!


It's called hermenutics....You should try implementing sometime!!!

 

[Ziggy]

Would you like me to show you the beginning Mary?

Here it is:

Jhn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[Marymog]

Mary, you worry me...

Jhn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What part did I twist?

A random passage from John 14 does not support a passage from 1 John 2. Twist it all you want....there is NO connection. When you twist Scripture you bring destruction upon yourself.

No man cometh unto the father but by me has NOTHING to do with men reading Scripture on their own and being able to properly inerpret it.

THAT is what we are discussing.....stay focused and RELEVANT!!