John 6 and the bread from heaven

[Eternally Grateful]

Glad to hear you are feeling better.

No, you didn't show me 115 vs's....but if that's what you think....so be it.

Whatever,

This just shows you have not read a thing I said.

If you did, you would see the actual 115 verses I spoke of. All of which said prety much the same thing.

But I guess you have to hide from it. Because if you look. You may find out I am right.

 

[Marymog]

Not to divert the discussion...

BUT MY NEXT 200 WORDS WILL DIVERT THE DISCUSSION....

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[Ziggy]

YUP, we agree. Jesus said that. But He and the Apostles said A LOT more than that on what it takes to be saved. Why do you reject those other things they said?

I did not turn it into some ceremony. JESUS turned it (the Last Supper) into a ceremony when he said DO THIS IN REMEMBERENCE OF ME! If we don't do what He tells us to do then we won't be saved. Scripture makes it clear that THEY turned it into a ceremony. Christian historical writings from the 1st century on shows that THEY had this....what you call.....a ceremony. You reject His words, you do not practice what the 1st century practiced in the NT writings, you reject your own Christian history.

You are stuck on being right and it has blinded you....

Versus taking the blood of lambs and painting on their two side posts and the upper head post. As they did during Passover every year.

Now what I want you to do, instead of that, is when you sit down to eat and drink, I want you to remember me.
This night I am the lamb of God, I am your passover.

And on that night they took the lamb and they ate of it and left nothing to the morning.

Exo 12:3
Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Exo 12:4
And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
Exo 12:5
Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6
And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Exo 12:7
And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
Exo 12:8
And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
Exo 12:9
Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
Exo 12:10
And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
Exo 12:11
And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.

This is the very meal they were eating at when Jesus told them to eat of his flesh. Because He is the Lamb of God.

So do a comparison on what and how they had been taught to keep the Passover, and what Jesus taught them that night that was different.

There is so much there...

the whole assembly of the congregation shall kill it in the evening. That's the night Judas went out to betray him.

Instead of taking the lambs blood and putting it on the doorposts , they had to internalize the passover.
They had to understand that Jesus was their sacrifice and they had to understand it personally.
They are the doorposts... the Pillars.

Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.


Ye are now flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone...

It's not about eating flesh and drinking blood, it's about internalizing what he said versus how the had kept the passover outwardly in the past.

As often as ye eat "this" bread and drink "this" wine.... the wine is the Spirit..


I find it interesting that you were not to soppen the bread on passover, and yet when Jesus handed Judas the bread it was sopped.

thinking..
Hugs

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism.....

Please show me in John 1, John 3, John 4 John 5 nd John 6 where we are told to be baptised to get eternal life.

You want to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of men.. feel free..

Jesus warned you against attributing the work of God to men.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Exactly. You are better at words though. You shared it better than I could.

So you believe that when we trust God and Recieve his salvation. We are saved forever?

If you believe this, I apologize. Because I can not remember one time you said anything like this. But I am not to proud to admit I may be wrong and in this case. Me being wrong would be a praise to God. Because i have another brother

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Soooo we don't have to believe to be saved?

Belief is the work of God

amazing, Jesus said this very thing in John 6 in the passage we are discussing.

When a person is drowning and they place their faith in the one sent to rescue them, and allow them to do the work

did they save themselves? Or were they saved by the grace of the one who did the work to save them?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And YOU want me to focus on the book of John ONLY and ignore everything else Jesus said AND the Apostles said AND what a student of the Apostle John said AND historical Christian writings that prove you wrong.

Pot calling the kettle black....

No, I want you to focus on the word. All of it

we are just discussing John, because 6 straight chapters jesus said if we believe in him and recieve him, we will never perish and have eternal life

But your focused on eat my flesh and drink my blood.


shaking my head in sorrow

 

[VictoryinJesus]

So you believe that when we trust God and Recieve his salvation. We are saved forever?

If you believe this, I apologize. Because I can not remember one time you said anything like this. But I am not to proud to admit I may be wrong and in this case. Me being wrong would be a praise to God. Because i have another brother

Sister. All I’m saying is how I read that verse now. One thing accomplished is how I now approach that verse with others. Whether to curse them with it, or to bless them …I hope to bless.

 

[Ziggy]

Thats not what Jesus said

He said depart from me for I NEVER KNEW YOU.

He said it twice. Both times in his discussion to enter the narrow gate. And said few there will be who enter it

so because of this, there will be many on that day say did I not do all these great works in your name (a works based believer will say this, thinking they are made right with God because of these works)

And God will give them the worse news of their eternal being

depart from me.. As those people are thrust out from Gods presence and into damnation.

I know that's not what Jesus said,
But your not listening to what VJ said.
VJ isn't disagreeing with scripture. Simply trying to find some positivity in it.
Like saying.. I know it's raining, but the sun is shining somewhere.


I think VJ's one of those who always looks for the silver lining in every cloud :)

And you know, there usually is one.. lol
Hugs

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh dear God…not the epi stuff again. Take if for what it is. It’s just one of the passages I’ve read that changed on me to where it becomes a blessing and not a curse. (Imo) like the ritual of the woman and the bitter water. When taking in the whole of the word there are often verses or passages that I’ve noticed once I stop making them about me against people …or verses to prove others inadequates … they become something inviting containing something hopeful and different than I initially assumed. I’m not saying you have to agree but only that I meant it when I said I wouldn’t mind hearing that dreaded “depart from me you who works iniquity” spoken in my direction. I seriously want Him to separate it so far away that He never knew it.

Once again my friend

I am here discussing what saves us, what gives us eternal life.

It has nothing to do with what happens after we are saved, or what we need to learn after we are saved.

This is what I am discussing..

Do you agree with me about the way to salvation or not.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sister. All I’m saying is how I read that verse now. One thing accomplished is how I now approach that verse with others. Whether to curse them with it, or to bless them …I hope to bless.

What verse? We are discussing about 42 verses in John 6

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I know that's not what Jesus said,
But your not listening to what VJ said.
VJ isn't disagreeing with scripture. Simply trying to find some positivity in it.
Like saying.. I know it's raining, but the sun is shining somewhere.


I think VJ's one of those who always looks for the silver lining in every cloud :)

And you know, there usually is one.. lol
Hugs

Oh I agree

but it worries me that he looks for too much and does nto get what it actually says..

The bread jesus spoke of in John 6 is as he said the words of eternal life. Which was given by the spirit

the bread spoken of by many churches is the bread of the last supper. Which is only to help remind people of where they were when they first found freedom from the penalty of sin.

Much like the passover was to the jew. To remind them of where they came from while in Egypt..

so they do not go back.

 

[Marymog]

If this helps you to convince yourself that you are correct.

Feel free..

I expect this from people who do not want to discuss real things..

Dear dear EG,

You keep me in stitches. I don't know who your teacher is but they have failed you. They taught you NOT to search all of Scripture to find the truth. They taught you to cherry pick Scripture to fit what you believe. The taught you to reject your own Christian history and start a new history. They failed you....You should fire them!

I have been discussing "real things" with you for months....maybe even years. So PLEASE stop with this fake condescending tone. I know it makes you feel better and makes me look like the bad person in our conversation...but it doesn't match up with the reality of what has happened. The REALITY is that YOU reject looking at any other verses from Scripture that destroys your interpretation. THAT is not being real. I have NOT said anything to you about your Protestant forefathers killing their fellow Protestants AND Catholics, but you have injected your bias into this conversation to WHAT.....Make Marymog look bad?

YOU don't want to discuss real things when YOU reject that the Bread of Life Discourse has anything to do with the Last Supper or what Paul said 30 years later ABOUT THE SAME THING or what a student of the Apostle John wrote ABOUT THE SAME THING. I showed how they all match up almost WORD for WORD...but you reject that because YOU are always right.

Keeping it REAL....Mary

 

[Marymog]

No, I want you to focus on the word. All of it

I am tired of and disgusted by your lies OR twisting of our conversations.

 

[Ziggy]

I wonder if it's true about the soyance, when they say mens brains and womens brains think differently lol.
Because I'm a she and I can hear what VJ is saying, but I think men have a harder time deciphering women's brains lol.

LOL
Hugs

 

[Marymog]

Please show me in John 1, John 3, John 4 John 5 nd John 6 where we are told to be baptised to get eternal life.

You want to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of men.. feel free..

Jesus warned you against attributing the work of God to men.

You are truly a bizarre person....

I can't show you in John 1, John 3, John 4 John 5 and John 6 where we are told to be baptized to get eternal life. Wow....look you win again. You are right. Are your hands sore from all the cherry picking you do EG?

Show me in Matthew where Jesus changed his mind about Peter being Satan. YOU CAN"'T....Finally Marymog has a cherry pick win from Scripture.

Score: 1-1!

Your turn....

 

[Marymog]

Belief is the work of God

Nope, not true. Scripture does not say that.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nope, not true. Scripture does not say that.

Just proof that you have not read John 6.

John 6:
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dear dear EG,

You keep me in stitches. I don't know who your teacher is but they have failed you. They taught you NOT to search all of Scripture to find the truth.

Its funny how I have made this same argument to you for many a month now.. Yet you deny it is what we shoudl use as our guide.

I did search all scripture. I have been porting passage after passage after passage in this very thread to you which prove what I am saying is true

Yet you say I limit to certain things

Yet you are liming all these verses in john (all 115 of them) to 5 verses about flesh and blood..then take me to another few passage that speak about flesh and blood. Even though what we get and why we do it and how often we do it are at odds with each other.

then tell me I limit The word of God

You need to practice what you preach

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am tired of and disgusted by your lies OR twisting of our conversations.

Prove I have twisted any of it

I am tired of you saying you’re open to discuss then you limit the conversation to what you want to discuss. But will not discuss the rest of it.