Is God Moral?

[Logikos]

God is Spirit.
"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)
Gods seed is his Living word the Holy Spirit.

Gods seed/ Living word was the seed that got Mary pregnant...his seed is Alive and Active.

Now my new friend....if you don’t believe that...then there will be no discussion between the two of us.

The only portion of the Godhead that scripture refers to as "the Word" is not the Holy Spirit but rather God the Son. Not only that but Jesus Himself repeatedly stated that He came from the Father, which is not to say that you're incorrect about it being the Spirit of God that descended upon Mary.

That's all a bit of a sticky issue because there is an importance sense in which all three are the same thing and scripture is not explicit about how the Trinity works. I suspect this is because it is sufficiently outside our experience that there wouldn't be anyway for it to be explained. It could also be that we just don't need to know and God decided in His wisdom to leave the mystery intact. Regardless, in one sense or another, everything you stated here is correct. What it has to do with what we're talking about, is not clear to me but whatever.

Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

 

[Pearl]

What is the point of this thread?


To say that God is good means that God always acts in accordance to what is right, true, and good. Goodness is part of God’s nature, and He cannot contradict His nature.

 

[Ritajanice]

The only portion of the Godhead that scripture refers to as "the Word" is not the Holy Spirit but rather God the Son. Not only that but Jesus Himself repeatedly stated that He came from the Father, which is not to say that you're incorrect about it being the Spirit of God that descended upon Mary.

That's all a bit of a sticky issue because there is an importance sense in which all three are the same thing and scripture is not explicit about how the Trinity works. I suspect this is because it is sufficiently outside our experience that there wouldn't be anyway for it to be explained. It could also be that we just don't need to know and God decided in His wisdom to leave the mystery intact. Regardless, in one sense or another, everything you stated here is correct. What it has to do with what we're talking about, is not clear to me but whatever.

Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

By the way, we aren’t allowed to talk about the Trinity..just for future reference, so you know.

The only portion of the Godhead that scripture refers to as "the Word" is not the Holy Spirit but rather God the Son. Not only that but Jesus Himself repeatedly stated that He came from the Father, which is not to say that you're incorrect about it being the Spirit of God that descended upon Mary.

That's all a bit of a sticky issue because there is an importance sense in which all three are the same thing and scripture is not explicit about how the Trinity works. I suspect this is because it is sufficiently outside our experience that there wouldn't be anyway for it to be explained. It could also be that we just don't need to know and God decided in His wisdom to leave the mystery intact. Regardless, in one sense or another, everything you stated here is correct. What it has to do with what we're talking about, is not clear to me but whatever.

Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

Then we will agree to disagree...unless God came down from Heaven and impregnated Mary.

It was the seed of God, His Living word the Holy Spirit....that is 100% my belief.

In Christianity, Mary is commonly referred to as the Virgin Mary, in accordance with the belief that the Holy Spirit impregnated her, thereby conceiving her first-born son Jesus miraculously, without sexual relations with her betrothed Joseph, "until her son [Jesus] was born

 

[BarneyFife]

You are correct.

And you're nicer to me than I deserve, Sis.

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[L.A.M.B.]

And you're nicer to me than I deserve, Sis.

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Balderdash


We both know the truth of me!

Nice was not given out genetically at my birth.
If I am ever kind, it is the Spirit of God !
When I agree ,it is the TRUTH SPOKEN AS I SEE IT !

 

[Logikos]

I don't agree with his execution, but he's right—you're stirring a suspended pot to get reactions.

Why does everyone assume that I'm doing something other than just asking a question and wanting people to answer it?

You may not really mean any harm but these kinds of threads tend to foster more antagonism than profitable discussion.

Not because of me they don't. It isn't my fault if someone reacts to something that I didn't say.

I haven't bothered to read past the post I'm responding to, so I don't know if the other shoe (your withheld opinion) has dropped yet. Frankly, I'm afraid to look.

I'll edit the opening post and include it there when I decide that this preliminary part of the discussion is no longer of profit.
Looks like that's probably going to be sooner rather than later at this rate.

There is such thing as a dumb question. We've all asked them, so, no offense.

"All things are lawful to me, but not all things are expedient."

Well, I'm not talking about us, I'm talking specifically about God Himself. So far, we only have one person who has answered "No" to the question, "Is God moral" but I can promise you that he is by no means anywhere near being alone. There are literally millions of Christians who do not believe God is moral and even think it heresy to say otherwise. Other's believe that God is good but struggle with defining just what that means and consign the issue to "mystery". Most, don't actually care about these sorts of questions and think it a waste of time to think about such things. We're all here on a theology forum and so I'd expect people in that last category to be very few and far between and so I pose the question and want nothing at all other than honest answers and substantive discussion from all involved.

As for me, by the way, I am in a fourth camp. I'm one who believes that God really is actually, objectively and provably good and I hope to go at least most of the way toward establishing precisely that.

Welcome to the forum.

Thanks! Cool forum!

 

[Logikos]

Balderdash


We both know the truth of me!

Nice was not given out genetically at my birth.
If I am ever kind, it is the Spirit of God !
When I agree ,it is the TRUTH SPOKEN AS I SEE IT !

"kind" and "nice" are not synonyms. Kindness is often not nice, niceness is often the opposite of kind.

 

[Logikos]

I'm guessing this is the point of the topic. (a good topic BTW)
If you rely on the Bible, or the church's translation of it, then the answer is
"No, God is NOT moral, even by his own standards."

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Saying it doesn't make it so.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I answered yes.

That should not be up for discussion.

I did note there is 1 no when I voted a few minutes ago

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
I'm guessing this is the point of the topic. (a good topic BTW)
If you rely on the Bible, or the church's translation of it, then the answer is
"No, God is NOT moral, even by his own standards."

Saying it doesn't make it so.

Fair enough. Not a good topic, then. Fine by me.
You are probably right. My bad.

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[Logikos]

I can not think it is true

Because if I did. I would have to not know who or what God is to think such a thing.

You will have to come up wiht a different example. one that is actually plausible..

Take the specifics out of it then, which I did already, by the way. I asked the same question in three different ways specifically for that purpose.

If God were to do something that we know today is evil (it doesn't matter what it is), would that then change the definition of right and wrong or would it make God evil?

This is not that hard of a question! Is it?

Is it really that difficult to come to the conclusion that if God came down and told me to torture all the five years olds that I could find, and that I complied with that command that both God and I would be evil?

Do we know of any rapists or child torturers that aren't evil? Is there any conceivable scenario where rape or the torture of five year olds is justified? (Note the meaning of the word "justified"!)

I genuinely do not understand why people get so squirmy when asked this question. It truly baffles me.

 

[Logikos]

I answered yes.

That should not be up for discussion.

I did note there is 1 no when I voted a few minutes ago

Sort of mind blowing, isn't it?!

 

[Logikos]

Reason as we may Logikos, Who are we to judge God, as His ways are far above our ways.

Do you believe God is good?

Try to answer without making any moral judgments about God.

 

[Logikos]

And this does ???

It was in direct response to your post. Had the discussion gone anywhere, I'd have moved it to its own thread.

 

[Logikos]

Exactly.
Herein, is this thread to provoke to thought or of the agenda to provoke to anger or reveal what ppl believe to mock !

Are you implying that this post of yours wasn't "of the agenda to provoke to anger or reveal what ppl believe to mock"?

I tell you that I have no such agenda. Believe me or not. I do not care.

 

[Logikos]

I do not presume to know or to imply that you do not know God nor his words. Do me the same courtesy. If not then we are done !

Romans 3:10 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one |

Mark 10:18-
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
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Look, I just reread that post and your reaction to it has no connection to what I said. Any third grade child would be able to follow the points I was making. If all you see is insults behind ever bush then just put me on ignore and go away.

 

[BarneyFife]

Why does everyone assume that I'm doing something other than just asking a question and wanting people to answer it?


Not because of me they don't. It isn't my fault if someone reacts to something that I didn't say.


I'll edit the opening post and include it there when I decide that this preliminary part of the discussion is no longer of profit.
Looks like that's probably going to be sooner rather than later at this rate.


Well, I'm not talking about us, I'm talking specifically about God Himself. So far, we only have one person who has answered "No" to the question, "Is God moral" but I can promise you that he is by no means anywhere near being alone. There are literally millions of Christians who do not believe God is moral and even think it heresy to say otherwise. Other's believe that God is good but struggle with defining just what that means and consign the issue to "mystery". Most, don't actually care about these sorts of questions and think it a waste of time to think about such things. We're all here on a theology forum and so I'd expect people in that last category to be very few and far between and so I pose the question and want nothing at all other than honest answers and substantive discussion from all involved.

As for me, by the way, I am in a fourth camp. I'm one who believes that God really is actually, objectively and provably good and I hope to go at least most of the way toward establishing precisely that.




Thanks! Cool forum!

"Provable" is tough talk, my friend. In the end, it precludes faith. What you seem to be claiming is what amounts to solving the problem of evil full stop.

Human grasp of that, while capable of improvement beyond what most would dare hope, is nevertheless finite.

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[L.A.M.B.]

"kind" and "nice" are not synonyms. Kindness is often not nice, niceness is often the opposite of kind.

Are you savant ?

 

[Logikos]

By the way, we aren’t allowed to talk about the Trinity..just for future reference, so you know.

What? That is surely not correct.

Then we will agree to disagree...unless God came down from Heaven and impregnated Mary.

That's precisely what God did (although not in a sexual manner, of course).

It was the seed of God, His Living word the Holy Spirit....that is 100% my belief.

The Holy Spirit is God and I don't care what your belief is UNLESS you can establish it with scripture and sound reason.

In Christianity, Mary is commonly referred to as the Virgin Mary, in accordance with the belief that the Holy Spirit impregnated her, thereby conceiving her first-born son Jesus miraculously, without sexual relations with her betrothed Joseph, "until her son [Jesus] was born

Quite so! This is not only the Christian belief, it is a logical necessity for Jesus to be the Christ. Sin passes through the father and not the mother. Thus, Jesus, having no fleshly father, did not inherit Adam's fallen sinful nature. He being both God Himself and fully free from any sin, was therefore qualified to die as propitiation for the sin of the world.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I answered yes.

That should not be up for discussion.

I did note there is 1 no when I voted a few minutes ago

That would be me in regards to the O.P. I also have explained my choice!
Now was it a "trick" question is yet to be determined.

Never ask a question if you don't already know the answer.

Baiting hooks is repulsive.
Fishing is done better with a net.....the net of the gospel of Jesus Christ !