Understanding the Prophecy of 70 Weeks

[Zao is life]

@Fullness of the Gentiles @Davy @covenantee @rwb @ewq1938 @The Light @ScottA

"The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us" ushered in the 70th Week of Daniel's Prophecy.

The 70th Week has not yet ended.

THINK THINK THINK = GOSPEL

That's a very long "last days" 70th week.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at many times and in many ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds.

The 70th week is also associated by Daniel 9:26-27 with the destruction of both the city and the temple. When's it going to happen?

 

[David in NJ]

That's a very long "last days" 70th week.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at many times and in many ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds.

The 70th week is also associated by Daniel 9:26-27 with the destruction of both the city and the temple. When's it going to happen?

First i want to thank you for your love and kindness that you have shown towards me since we first began speaking to one another a year ago= to which i am grateful to God for you.

The "last days" began when JESUS ascended to the FATHER and poured out the Holy Spirit.

Acts chapter 2
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
21And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.’

 

[Zao is life]

First i want to thank you for your love and kindness that you have shown towards me since we first began speaking to one another a year ago= to which i am grateful to God for you.

Thank you too brother!

The "last days" began when JESUS ascended to the FATHER and poured out the Holy Spirit.

Acts chapter 2
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
21And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.’

I agree. 100%, and it's marvelous to me,

But now I'm asking you to tell me how you apply the above to the destruction of the temple and of the city mentioned first in Daniel 9:26, and continued to be mentioned in verse 27 (because you seemed to apply Daniel 9:26-27 to the last days, unless I was misreading what you were saying about the timing of Daniel 9:26-27).

@David in NJ Just by the way, I did a quick search on the word used for "destroy" in "destroy the city and the sanctuary",

and the same word is translated as "corrupt" in the KJV for Genesis 6:11 & 12 and as "destroy" in Genesis 6:13:
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Genesis 6
11 The earth also was corrupt [shâchath] before God, and the earth was filled with violence [châmâs].
12 And God looked upon the earth. And, behold, it was corrupted! [shâchath] For all flesh had corrupted [shâchath] its way upon the earth.
13 And God said to Noah, The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence [châmâs] through them. And, behold, I will destroy [shâchath] them with the earth.

Daniel 9
26 And after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy [shâchath] the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate [shâmêm], even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Am I wrong, or do the words shâchath and shâmêm not necessarily mean the destruction of the city and the sanctuary? Maybe it's merely talking about the defilement of the same?

Anyway, I'll leave that up to you. Because the main point is, how does this that goes with Daniel 9:26-27 square up with the last days as identified by both yourself and me?

 

[David in NJ]

Thank you too brother!

I agree. 100%, and it's marvelous to me,

But now I'm asking you to tell me how you apply the above to the destruction of the temple and of the city mentioned first in Daniel 9:26, and continued to be mentioned in verse 27 (because you seemed to apply Daniel 9:26-27 to the last days, unless I was misreading what you were saying about the timing of Daniel 9:26-27).

@David in NJ Just by the way, I did a quick search on the word used for "destroy" in "destroy the city and the sanctuary",

and the same word is translated as "corrupt" in the KJV for Genesis 6:11 & 12 and as "destroy" in Genesis 6:13:
​

Genesis 6
11 The earth also was corrupt [shâchath] before God, and the earth was filled with violence [châmâs].
12 And God looked upon the earth. And, behold, it was corrupted! [shâchath] For all flesh had corrupted [shâchath] its way upon the earth.
13 And God said to Noah, The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence [châmâs] through them. And, behold, I will destroy [shâchath] them with the earth.

Daniel 9
26 And after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy [shâchath] the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate [shâmêm], even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Am I wrong, or do the words shâchath and shâmêm not necessarily mean the destruction of the city and the sanctuary? Maybe it's merely talking about the defilement of the same?

Anyway, I'll leave that up to you. Because the main point is, how does this that goes with Daniel 9:26-27 square up with the last days as identified by both yourself and me?

CORRECT = 1st we have the destruction/shachath of the Temple
After this (70AD) you have no Temple = shachath = Prophecy fulfilled = Matthew 23:37-39

But then we see a defilement/shamem of the Temple.

Which leads us to two questions:
#1.) Will there be another Temple built in Jerusalem before the LORD'S Coming???
or
#2.) Is the defilement of the Temple(Man) the "unforgiveable sin"??? = 1 Cor 3:17 and Revelation 14:9

 

[Davy]

So you don't hate the Jews, just the "tares" that HIDE as bloodline Jews when they lie and say... they are Jews! These are the "JEWS pushing stupid doctrines against a pope, trying to say he is the prophesied Antichrist for the end."?

I hate the "synagogue of Satan", that's who Jesus pointed to as 'false Jews', those who say they are Jews, but are not and do lie, but are the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev.2:9 and Rev.3:9).

That "synagogue of Satan" is not about true bloodline born "house of Judah" (i.e., tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi who went by the title of Jew that were of the southern "kingdom of Judah".) Many mistake them as just being the unbelieving orthodox Jews, but it's not about them. It's about Paul's "mystery of iniquity", the "certain men crept in unawares" of Jude 4, the "tares" of the parable of the tares of the field, the Canaanites which God left among Israel to test with per Judges 2 & 3, the leftovers of Canaanites that became drawers of water and hewers of wood per Joshua 9, the Nethinim temple servants that became hewers of wood and drawers of waters for temple service. Those that crept into the priesthood and certain ones within the Pharisees and Sadduccees, the scribes of Israel that originated from the Kenite people from Canaan, the Old Testament "workers of iniquity", the "many antichrists".

Most Churches do not teach about those, so when someone like me brings the matter out in the open, many think I'm making all this up. No, it is Bible Scripture, simply Scripture though that most preachers won't teach their congregations, because they think it's too controversial, and don't want to believe that God has literally ordained a seed on earth that knowingly serves the devil. Can those evil workers for Satan convert to Christ Jesus? Yes, Christ's Salvation is offered to them also IF... they will believe on Jesus Christ and turn from the "brute beast" nature that God put in them to work the negative side of His plan for this present world.

Towards the end of Matthew 13, Lord Jesus explained His parable of the tares of the field. He didn't give another parable with His explanation. Many won't receive what He said there though. The "tares" represent the children sowed by the devil He said.

I don't know man, I probably wouldn't worry about it right now. I think the Jews got enough trouble right now without worrying about the Rope a Pope being the Antichrist for the end times.

Understanding per God's written Word who the coming Antichrist will be, can... depend upon whether one is deceived or not at the end of this world. It's just that Bible Scripture is not pointing to a flesh-born man as the coming Antichrist.

I didn't say the seven heads were seven popes, heaven forbid! (One is enough). The 6th head was the one that "is" when John was speaking to the angel. Five have fallen, one is. The first five had been proven false by Jesus' birth, death and resurrection. But one had not come yet at the time John was speaking to the angel.

The "seven heads" are not men period. That's what I'm saying.

The ones mentioned in Revelation 17:10 are "kings"... NOT the "seven heads". Just because the number 7 about the seven kings matches the number 7 about the "seven heads" does not mean they are both about the same thing...

Rev 17:10
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
KJV

And here's the reason I say that... for in the next verse...

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

That shows there are 8 kings in total being shown John, so those 'kings' are not the "seven heads". The "seven heads" are "seven mountains", which points to 7 geographic regions upon the earth. That is what Rev.17:1 shows the symbolic whore sits over, described by the 'waters' of Rev.17:15. One could even say 7 continents.

 

[David in NJ]

I hate the "synagogue of Satan", that's who Jesus pointed to as 'false Jews', those who say they are Jews, but are not and do lie, but are the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev.2:9 and Rev.3:9).

That "synagogue of Satan" is not about true bloodline born "house of Judah" (i.e., tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi who went by the title of Jew that were of the southern "kingdom of Judah".) Many mistake them as just being the unbelieving orthodox Jews, but it's not about them. It's about Paul's "mystery of iniquity", the "certain men crept in unawares" of Jude 4, the "tares" of the parable of the tares of the field, the Canaanites which God left among Israel to test with per Judges 2 & 3, the leftovers of Canaanites that became drawers of water and hewers of wood per Joshua 9, the Nethinim temple servants that became hewers of wood and drawers of waters for temple service. Those that crept into the priesthood and certain ones within the Pharisees and Sadduccees, the scribes of Israel that originated from the Kenite people from Canaan, the Old Testament "workers of iniquity", the "many antichrists".

Most Churches do not teach about those, so when someone like me brings the matter out in the open, many think I'm making all this up. No, it is Bible Scripture, simply Scripture though that most preachers won't teach their congregations, because they think it's too controversial, and don't want to believe that God has literally ordained a seed on earth that knowingly serves the devil. Can those evil workers for Satan convert to Christ Jesus? Yes, Christ's Salvation is offered to them also IF... they will believe on Jesus Christ and turn from the "brute beast" nature that God put in them to work the negative side of His plan for this present world.

Towards the end of Matthew 13, Lord Jesus explained His parable of the tares of the field. He didn't give another parable with His explanation. Many won't receive what He said there though. The "tares" represent the children sowed by the devil He said.


Understanding per God's written Word who the coming Antichrist will be, can... depend upon whether one is deceived or not at the end of this world. It's just that Bible Scripture is not pointing to a flesh-born man as the coming Antichrist.


The "seven heads" are not men period. That's what I'm saying.

The ones mentioned in Revelation 17:10 are "kings"... NOT the "seven heads". Just because the number 7 about the seven kings matches the number 7 about the "seven heads" does not mean they are both about the same thing...

Rev 17:10
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
KJV

And here's the reason I say that... for in the next verse...

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

That shows there are 8 kings in total being shown John, so those 'kings' are not the "seven heads". The "seven heads" are "seven mountains", which points to 7 geographic regions upon the earth. That is what Rev.17:1 shows the symbolic whore sits over, described by the 'waters' of Rev.17:15. One could even say 7 continents.

Jeffrey Epstein had his very own "synagogue of satan"

 

[Davidpt]

CORRECT = 1st we have the destruction/shachath of the Temple
After this (70AD) you have no Temple = shachath = Prophecy fulfilled = Matthew 23:37-39

But then we see a defilement/shamem of the Temple.

Which leads us to two questions:
#1.) Will there be another Temple built in Jerusalem before the LORD'S Coming???
or
#2.) Is the defilement of the Temple(Man) the "unforgiveable sin"??? = 1 Cor 3:17 and Revelation 14:9

I tend to think #2 might be the best fit given those two options. Option #1 is out of the question. I do not see that remotely fitting Scripture. It leads to bizarre nonsense. That a temple gets rebuilt, animal sacrificing resumes, and in the middle of the week, the AC of all people, puts a stop to the animal sacrificing yet again, which would be a good thing not a bad thing. Except the AC is not a good thing, he or it is a bad thing.

 

[Davy]

That's not what the "synagogue of Satan" is. It's not about a structure on the temple mount. It is about FALSE JEWS that crept in among Israel, like JESUS SAID in Revelation 2 & 3.

So are you trying to mock what Jesus defined the "synagogue of Satan" as?

Jeffrey Epstein had his very own "synagogue of satan"

 

[David in NJ]

That's not what the "synagogue of Satan" is. It's not about a structure on the temple mount. It is about FALSE JEWS that crept in among Israel, like JESUS SAID in Revelation 2 & 3.

So are you trying to mock what Jesus defined the "synagogue of Satan" as?

Rev ch2 & 3 = i TOTALLY get that Brother

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Is not RCC Vatican also a 'synagogue of satan' = YES it surely is

 

[Davy]

Rev ch2 & 3 = i TOTALLY get that Brother

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Is not RCC Vatican also a 'synagogue of satan' = YES it surely is

No, it is not about what Paul said about a religious Jew. So you actually are not... getting it.


The "synagogue of Satan" is about these below in bold red...

Matt 13:37-40
37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
KJV

That is what Lord Jesus meant by the "synagogue of Satan". He was pointing to those who 'knowingly' serve the devil, because they were ordained to that condemnation, like Jude 4 says.

It is not... about deceived Jews of the 'seed' of Israel, simply because Paul said God has put spiritual blindness upon the majority of the Jews (bloodline Israel) so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles (Romans 11:25 forward). Paul then showed in final Christ will remove their blindness to The Gospel (at His future coming).

The brainwashing in many Churches teaches you to not fathom that God has actually ordained a 'seed' upon this earth to work the negative side of His Salvation Plan. Yet His Word points to it in many Scriptures. Matthew 13 above by Lord Jesus is just one of them.

I also suggest that you go over Christ's parable of the 'tares' of the field again also, in Matthew 13, because it would appear that you don't quite understand the parable itself. The wheat and tares subject is about real horticulture with growing wheat.

Tares are actually 'weeds' that exist within the growing wheat, but they look just like real wheat while both are growing. This is why the householder told his servants to wait until the harvest to separate the tares from the wheat. Reason was because if done early, they might get some of the good wheat by mistake when trying to remove the tares prior to harvest. It means it is hard to distinguish the two during growing season. In real wheat horticulture, at harvest time, a tare will show a black bud on the end of it, revealing that it is a tare (weed). Then the tare can be easily distinguished from wheat, and cast in the fire.

 

[David in NJ]

No, it is not about what Paul said about a religious Jew. So you actually are not... getting it.


The "synagogue of Satan" is about these below in bold red...

Matt 13:37-40
37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
KJV

That is what Lord Jesus meant by the "synagogue of Satan". He was pointing to those who 'knowingly' serve the devil, because they were ordained to that condemnation, like Jude 4 says.

It is not... about deceived Jews of the 'seed' of Israel, simply because Paul said God has put spiritual blindness upon the majority of the Jews (bloodline Israel) so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles (Romans 11:25 forward). Paul then showed in final Christ will remove their blindness to The Gospel (at His future coming).

The brainwashing in many Churches teaches you to not fathom that God has actually ordained a 'seed' upon this earth to work the negative side of His Salvation Plan. Yet His Word points to it in many Scriptures. Matthew 13 above by Lord Jesus is just one of them.

I also suggest that you go over Christ's parable of the 'tares' of the field again also, in Matthew 13, because it would appear that you don't quite understand the parable itself. The wheat and tares subject is about real horticulture with growing wheat.

Tares are actually 'weeds' that exist within the growing wheat, but they look just like real wheat while both are growing. This is why the householder told his servants to wait until the harvest to separate the tares from the wheat. Reason was because if done early, they might get some of the good wheat by mistake when trying to remove the tares prior to harvest. It means it is hard to distinguish the two during growing season. In real wheat horticulture, at harvest time, a tare will show a black bud on the end of it, revealing that it is a tare (weed). Then the tare can be easily distinguished from wheat, and cast in the fire.

"tares of the wicked one" are BOTH Jew & Gentile

1 John 3:10-12
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother.
And why did he murder him?
Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

 

[Zao is life]

CORRECT = 1st we have the destruction/shachath of the Temple
After this (70AD) you have no Temple = shachath = Prophecy fulfilled = Matthew 23:37-39

But then we see a defilement/shamem of the Temple.

Which leads us to two questions:
#1.) Will there be another Temple built in Jerusalem before the LORD'S Coming???
or
#2.) Is the defilement of the Temple(Man) the "unforgiveable sin"??? = 1 Cor 3:17 and Revelation 14:9

Well, first of all, what's noteworthy IMO is that Jesus came and was cut off in the midst of the 70th week, leaving 3.5 years or 42 months, and that's the same period that the beast of Revelation is allowed by God to continue.

So the last days are not completed until the 42 months are completed ...

.. and if @Davidpt sees me saying that, he's going to think "At last!" and maybe even roll his eyes because he said the same thing regarding the final 42 months of the 70th week that I just said now, but I argued with him against it a lot in the other forum where we were talking about it.

My argument went like this: "The two verses are associated with the destruction of the city and the temple so the entire week must have been fulfilled in the 1st century".

Personally I do not believe that any physical temple built in Jerusalem will be regarded as the holy place by God and only God's own tabernacle on earth can be defiled, which can therefore only be in the churches. I'm going to have to shorten this to point to my own Blog post where I give the reason for saying this:

The Holy Place | Holy City

[Strongs Greek Dictionary] 02411 (English: Temple ) ἱερόν hierón , hee-er-on' neuter of 2413; a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts...

zaoislife.blogspot.com

Also, there must be a reason why wikipedia says this:​

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"Abomination of Desolation" is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BC Greek king Antiochus IV Epiphanes replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made." (Abomination of desolation - Wikipedia)​

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Not destroyed:

(i) The abomination of desolation (singular) set up by Antiochus IV, "Epiphanes" (Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11) in 167 BC in the temple in Jerusalem, was not associated with the destruction of either the city of Jerusalem, or of the temple in it (after he was ousted by the Maccabees, the temple was cleansed, and reconsecrated to God. This took place around 236 years before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jerusalem temple in 70 A.D).

The New Testament Temple cannot be destroyed. It's builder is Christ. But it can be defiled, then cleansed afterward. So I see Antiochus IV Epiphanes as the type of "the Antichrist" who will be the one to defile the temple and lead many of God's people into apostasy, just as the most of the Jews during the days of Antiochus apostatized and adopted his religion and sacrificed pigs on the altar in the temple to the god in the holy place that Antiochus identified himself with (Zeus, "the father or king of the gods").

I just did not know exactly what it will consist of, but you have basically just shone a light on it for me with your linking of Rev.14:9 to 1 Cor.3:17

Destroyed:

(ii) Daniel 9:26-27 prophesied that abominations (plural) were going to be committed that the text associates with the destruction of the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (the temple).

So I understand why you link 1 Cor 3:17 and Revelation 14:9, and I agree with you, and I also link those two verses to 2 Thess 2:4 and Matt.24:15 - the abomination of desolation in the holy place.

So I also agree with what you say here:

CORRECT = 1st we have the destruction/shachath of the Temple
After this (70AD) you have no Temple = shachath = Prophecy fulfilled = Matthew 23:37-39.​

 

[Davidpt]

Rev ch2 & 3 = i TOTALLY get that Brother

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Is not RCC Vatican also a 'synagogue of satan' = YES it surely is

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Why is it when this passage comes up, keeping in mind that Jesus is the speaker here, that only this part is the focus of discussion---them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie--while this part is totally ignored, as if Jesus never said those things as well----behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee?

Who shall He make do that? And not only that, when shall He make them do that? If nothing else, this verse tells us who the 'them' are meaning---them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie

So, what about when as well? This is where we need to go to the OT for further insight into this.

Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

It is meaning when this is meaning, apparently. IOW, this seems to be meaning during the new heavens and new earth. But don't a lot of interpreters have all of them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, in the lake of fire instead, being tormented for all eternity?

 

[Zao is life]

"tares of the wicked one" are BOTH Jew & Gentile

1 John 3:10-12
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother.
And why did he murder him?
Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

I'm glad it's not my job to separate the wheat from the tares. I might wind up thinking I'm Christ. And I'll probably be adding the wheat with the tares half the time.

 

[Zao is life]

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Why is it when this passage comes up, keeping in mind that Jesus is the speaker here, that only this part is the focus of discussion---them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie--while this part is totally ignored, as if Jesus never said those things as well----behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee?

Who shall He make do that? And not only that, when shall He make them do that? If nothing else, this verse tells us who the 'them' are meaning---them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie

So, what about when as well? This is where we need to go to the OT for further insight into this.

Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

It is meaning when this is meaning, apparently. IOW, this seems to be meaning during the new heavens and earth. But don't a lot of interpreters have all of them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, in the lake of fire instead, being tormented for all eternity?

I always wonder what it means to worship.

Worship who? Surely Jesus does not mean they will be worshiping His saints?

And I wonder what "at your feet" means, if not to symbolize they had adopted an attitude of servitude to those whom they formerly persecuted?

So Isaiah 60:14 is pertinent, IMO. I just never saw that link till now.

 

[David in NJ]

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Why is it when this passage comes up, keeping in mind that Jesus is the speaker here, that only this part is the focus of discussion---them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie--while this part is totally ignored, as if Jesus never said those things as well----behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee?

Who shall He make do that? And not only that, when shall He make them do that? If nothing else, this verse tells us who the 'them' are meaning---them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie

So, what about when as well? This is where we need to go to the OT for further insight into this.

Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

It is meaning when this is meaning, apparently. IOW, this seems to be meaning during the new heavens and new earth. But don't a lot of interpreters have all of them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, in the lake of fire instead, being tormented for all eternity?

Well, i am sure that 'they' who are of the synagogue of satan will worship at the feet of those appointed by the LORD.

After that is fulfilled, 'they' will be sent away = lake of fire? = The LORD will decide.

 

[David in NJ]

I'm glad it's not my job to separate the wheat from the tares. I might wind up thinking I'm Christ. And I'll probably be adding the wheat with the tares half the time.

ditto

 

[David in NJ]

Well, first of all, what's noteworthy IMO is that Jesus came and was cut off in the midst of the 70th week, leaving 3.5 years or 42 months, and that's the same period that the beast of Revelation is allowed by God to continue.

So the last days are not completed until the 42 months are completed ...

.. and if @Davidpt sees me saying that, he's going to think "At last!" and maybe even roll his eyes because he said the same thing regarding the final 42 months of the 70th week that I just said now, but I argued with him against it a lot in the other forum where we were talking about it.

My argument went like this: "The two verses are associated with the destruction of the city and the temple so the entire week must have been fulfilled in the 1st century".

Personally I do not believe that any physical temple built in Jerusalem will be regarded as the holy place by God and only God's own tabernacle on earth can be defiled, which can therefore only be in the churches. I'm going to have to shorten this to point to my own Blog post where I give the reason for saying this:

The Holy Place | Holy City

[Strongs Greek Dictionary] 02411 (English: Temple ) ἱερόν hierón , hee-er-on' neuter of 2413; a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts...

zaoislife.blogspot.com

Also, there must be a reason why wikipedia says this:​

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"Abomination of Desolation" is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BC Greek king Antiochus IV Epiphanes replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made." (Abomination of desolation - Wikipedia)​

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Not destroyed:

(i) The abomination of desolation (singular) set up by Antiochus IV, "Epiphanes" (Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11) in 167 BC in the temple in Jerusalem, was not associated with the destruction of either the city of Jerusalem, or of the temple in it (after he was ousted by the Maccabees, the temple was cleansed, and reconsecrated to God. This took place around 236 years before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jerusalem temple in 70 A.D).

The New Testament Temple cannot be destroyed. It's builder is Christ. But it can be defiled, then cleansed afterward. So I see Antiochus IV Epiphanes as the type of "the Antichrist" who will be the one to defile the temple and lead many of God's people into apostasy, just as the most of the Jews during the days of Antiochus apostatized and adopted his religion and sacrificed pigs on the altar in the temple to the god in the holy place that Antiochus identified himself with (Zeus, "the father or king of the gods").

I just did not know exactly what it will consist of, but you have basically just shone a light on it for me with your linking of Rev.14:9 to 1 Cor.3:17

Destroyed:

(ii) Daniel 9:26-27 prophesied that abominations (plural) were going to be committed that the text associates with the destruction of the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (the temple).

So I understand why you link 1 Cor 3:17 and Revelation 14:9, and I agree with you, and I also link those two verses to 2 Thess 2:4 and Matt.24:15 - the abomination of desolation in the holy place.

So I also agree with what you say here:

CORRECT = 1st we have the destruction/shachath of the Temple
After this (70AD) you have no Temple = shachath = Prophecy fulfilled = Matthew 23:37-39.​

BINGO = @Fullness of the Gentiles says: Well, first of all, what's noteworthy IMO is that Jesus came and was cut off in the midst of the 70th week, leaving 3.5 years or 42 months, and that's the same period that the beast of Revelation is allowed by God to continue.

What stands in the way of the 'wicked one'? =
the FATHER, the SON, the HOLY SPIRIT, the GOSPEL, His Church and the Holy Angels(Michael and his angels)

Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom (70th Week) will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations and..........................
...........................................................................................then the end will come.

We have been in the 70th Week and will remain there "until all things are fulfilled".

When the FATHER has approved the "all things" then comes the wicked one = 2 Thessalonians chapter 2

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
And then the lawless one will be revealed,

 

[David in NJ]

Are you troubled by the Jews Davy? Which Jews are you talking about?

I don't think that the rope a pope is "the prophesied Antichrist for the end, he's just that 6th head that appeared to be healed from a deadly head wound that was inflicted during the French Revolution in 1798. Mussolini got him bandaged back up in 1929 during the Lateran Treaty when he opened up the Vatican again. He's healed up OK for now. I don't think he'll last for too much longer though.

What Jews are you talking about? Were you drinking during this post Davy?

What Jews are you talking about? Did a Jew from Granada come and trouble you before the time?

What Jews are you talking about? The Jews in Old Time Britain?

Jews from the middles ages? These are the Jews making you crabby Davy? Are these the Jews saying the rope a pope is the antichrist?

In 1492 the Jews were expelled.

Wiki says: "On March 31, 1492, shortly after the end of the Granada War, the Catholic Monarchs signed the decree of expulsion of the Jews in Granada, which was sent to all the cities, towns and lordships of their kingdoms with strict orders to not read it or make it public until May 1.​

In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue. There were four blood moons and God was opening up a new continent. That continent would become the "Earth" that helped the "Woman" after 1260 years of Pay Pal Persecution came to an end in 1798. Back then the Rope a pope was in charge, enjoying his prophetic time period as the Dragon chased the Woman.

Today it's the same "Earth" where the Dragon has risen from, and has taken his seat in a place prepared by God..

But my mule don't like you laughing Davy. He gets the crazy idea that you're laughing at him.

As not all calling themselves Jews, are Jews. They say they are Jews, but they are not, because their synagogue belongs to Satan.

"Here are they that keep the commandments of God,​

And the faith of Jesus.​

Peaceful Sabbath.

We do not promote violence here (unless it is necessary - lol)

Great movie from them 'good ol days'

 

[David in NJ]

Exactly. And this is how he has taken his seat in the Temple of God and is claiming to be God now.

This is the equivalent to Daniel saying that he would rise up to the PLACE of His Sanctuary. God's Sanctuary, the Temple of God is the True Tent in Heaven. That is the place where what God said to do originated from. When Satan sought to undermine all of God's Righteous Rules, from legalized abortions and same sex marriages, to seemingly simple things like pornography and widespread tattoos, he has taken Moses' Seat in the Temple of God.

I'm saying this is happening now, and has been happening for some time.

Paul was drawing from Isaiah 14, Daniel 8 and Matthew 23. Paul's "man of sin" is Isaiah 14's description of Satan himself.

"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; - Isaiah 14:16​

Isaiah calls Lucifer, (Satan), a man. Daniel called Gabriel a "man' in Chapter 9. The end time Antichrist is not a human man taken over by Satan, the end time Antichrist IS Satan. The specifications and evil achievements accomplished by the Antichrist over a long span of time, because of the signs he is given the power to do, could never be achieved by a human man. Like how the Son of Perdition entered into Judas, I'm sure he's been doing this with many world leaders on a daily basis for some time now. Not just Obama. Lol.

The man of sin will take his seat in the temple of God.

"He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.​

This is not talking about a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. Paul was drawing from Mathew 23.

"so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God​

"so that he sets himself up in God's temple,​

"So he will seat himself in the temple of God,​

He will "seat himself".

In Matthew 23, Jesus said:

"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat"​

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"The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses"​

They have "seated themselves".

The important thing to note here is that the Pharisees "seated themselves". Nobody told them to sit in that seat, they TOOK it. They just walked right in and took the seat and assumed to dictate God's Word without it being Authorized. If they would have recognized Jesus, they should have surrendered the seat to it's rightful Owner, but that's another story. We're trying not to miss the time of OUR Visitation.

So Moses was the teacher of the Law, conduit and communicator of the Word of God. Moses WAS appointed by God, the "seat" was his. God was regularly speaking to Moses and saying tell the children of Israel this or that.

"And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, I am the Lord your God. You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived, and you shall not do as they do in the land of Canaan, to which I am bringing you. You shall not walk in their statutes. You shall follow my rules and keep my statutes and walk in them. I am the Lord your God. You shall therefore keep my statutes and my rules; if a person does them, he shall live by them: I am the Lord. - Leviticus 18​

That is the Temple of God, the Place of His Sanctuary where His Commands originate from. Moses was long gone when Jesus said this so the Scribes and the Pharisees had really just taken over Moses' job or his "seat", which was Moses' place of authority in the Temple of God.

But also remember how Moses was told to build the Temple according to the pattern that he was shown on the mountain. This pattern came from the REAL Temple in Heaven, the place of His Sanctuary. That's the real Temple that Lucifer has figuratively taken his seat in now by influencing the many nations and tongues to pressure their governments into passing the transgressive laws.

Our end time Antichrist, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, has attempted to take over God's job by influencing the shift in morality and the trend in increased lawlessness. "Anti" can also mean "in place of".

God said: "Remember the Sabbath", "You shall not murder", "You shall not commit adultery" and "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination".

Antichrist (Satan) says: You can forget about the Sabbath, legalize pornography, legalize abortion, legalize same sex marriage and be free to have a gender modification.

When the "man" of Sin seeks to change these specific times and these particular types of Laws, he, by default, has magnified himself above all that is called God or is worshipped and has set his own self up in God's "seat" of authority in God's Temple thereby claiming to BE God.

"Worship" comes from the word "proskuneo" and can also mean to "submit to" or "to obey". And he has been at work on this for a long time using various human agents but make no mistake it has been Satan's hand inside the glove.

The falling away, the rebellion, has already came and went and we are here now at the end which has come.

In 1969, hardcore pornography was only legalized in Denmark.

Protesters on Seventh Avenue near Times Square in New York, picket the theater where the porno film “Deep Throat” was being shown, May 31, 1980. (AP Photo/Dave Pickoff)

Even though Jesus said, “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart, the laws now in our land say:

April 16, 2002

Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition
(2002) that pornography which involves consenting adults is protected by the First Amendment, even if the models "appear to be" minors but are, in fact of lawful age, and thus has seen to protect the majority of, but not all pornography on the basis of first-amendment law.

Satan has not seated himself in the Temple Above, where God's Throne is at.

There is a earthly Temple that satan has seated himself in and will continue until "all things are fulfilled/accomplished".

This earthly Temple was made in the image of God.

Revelation 2:13
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,

‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is."