Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?
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What do you think Paul means when he says "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality"? Do you believe it means something other than our physical bodies being resurrected immortal & incorruptible FLESH when the last trump sounds? This resurrection of the flesh shall not take place until the last trumpet sounds. However when our physical body has died, at that moment (physical death) we are raised up a spiritual body of believers alive in heaven. You continue to speak as though you believe our physical body is resurrected, and changed to a spiritual body when the last trumpet sounds. Or perhaps you believe our physical body turns into a spiritual body after death? Our physical body shall be made physically alive through the spiritual body that returns with Christ, but our physical body does not change into a spiritual body. Because there is a physical body and a spiritual body and the two are not the same. With one (physical body) we are of flesh, with the other (spiritual body) we are spirit, not flesh. What exactly is not clear to you? Let go of the opinion that physical bodies are changed into spiritual bodies when the last trumpet sounds, and you will not be confused.
I believe our physical body is replaced by a spiritual body. The physical stays in the ground, and our consciousness is transferred to a brand new spiritual body. As you say, the two bodies are not the same. There is a physical body and a spiritual body, but the way I understand it, we have one at a time, not both at the same time. I just don't see any point in resurrecting the physical body. It just seems completely pointless to me and I don't understand why y'all are so married to this idea.
Also, I don't think the last trumpet is literally the sound of a trumpet blast. I think that's symbolic language to describe the final gift of God, the final act of power, the final step in God's plan for us, which is the gift of eternal life. The trumpet symbolizes God's power and the greatest thing he can do for us, with his power, is gift us eternal life, and that's why this "trumpet blast" is described as the last because beyond it there is nothing better.
So then you agree that the body is not always physical? Cause earlier you said the body is still physical. Now you're admitting that there is a spiritual body?
So now we agree that there is no spirit inside of you? I thought all along you were trying to convince me that there's a spirit inside of me that goes to heaven when I die. So now you agree with me?
Huh? You just said that one body is from God, and spiritual means from God. So doesn't that mean there is a spiritual body? You seem to be all over the map, but I'm going to assume that you're just not explaining yourself clearly. Do yo believe there is a spiritual body, or not?
I'm still not understanding how you differentiate between soul and spirit. Can you explain to me what you think those two words mean?
If our physical body is replaced by a spiritual body why would it need to be changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible? Mortal, corruptible beings consist of flesh and blood, unlike spirit beings that are immaterial or without substance. You have yet to explain what it means to be a physical body replaced by a spiritual body? What does it consist of? Is it flesh or is it spirit, because the two are not the same? One is of the earth mortal and corruptible, the other is from heaven eternal without corruption.
The physical mortal body is resurrected immortal and incorruptible to be fit for life on the new earth, where there will be no more mortal beings and no more corruption. We will have physical bodies on the new earth because there would be no reason to have a new earth except for physical life. Spirit beings don't need a physical earth to live on. Because a spirit has no substance, for it is the breath that gives our physical human body life. Our physical body does not become a spiritual body when the dead are resurrected. Our physical body receives physical life from our spirit that returns with the Lord.
The breath of life, which spirit is, is the control center of our being. It is the essence, without form of who we are. It is through the spirit breath of life in mankind that we live, breath, think, eat, etc. The spirit breath of life in mankind controls every organ of our body. Without the spirit breath of life within, mankind is a lifeless corpse. That's why the body without the spirit is dead, because when the spirit breath of life that comes from God returns to God, there is no longer any life at all in our physical body.
All that I can say with certainty about the spirit with the Holy Spirit within is that it continues to be alive in heaven, a living soul after our physical body dies. If we read the Revelation literally we might believe the spirit alive in heaven after physical death sings praises to God and worships Him there. But the Revelation is highly symbolic, so even though the spirit with the Holy Spirit is eternal, how life continues to exist spiritually in heaven after physical death of our body remains a mystery. I only know with blessed assurance that our spirit through the Spirit of Christ in us we shall never die!
Timtofly
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No. Adam had a physical body in a physical garden. That was the spiritual body, you all talk about and it was physical. A body is always physical.
The soul is not the spirit. The soul is you inside the physical body. Does it have a form like a ghost? I don't know.
The spirit is in heaven in the presence of God. Spiritual death is separation from the spirit. God gave you His Holy Spirit as a substitute.
Your soul, body, and spirit are the image of God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
When Adam disobeyed God, the only part he had that remained was a soul. God took away the spiritual body, and the spirit. God gave Adam a body of dead flesh, that returns to dust. God incorporated His Holy Spirit to draw sinners back to God. The only thing we have going for us is the soul, and submission to the Holy Spirit. This body of death is returned to dust never to be seen again.
What you call a spiritual body some call an immortal body. It is still physical because creation is physical, even Paradise which became the third heaven is physical.
I said the word spiritual in the case of a body does not mean the opposite of physical. That term spiritual is the opposite of carnal or dead flesh. It is mere symbolism. Or even heavenly as opposed to earthly. It is not a ghostly body without substance as opposed to a physical body with substance. A body is always still physical. The term in Greek is pneuma meaning air. But theology has also defined it as godly or without blemish, holy.
Air is breathed in and sustains life. That is where people claim the air from God is special and returns to God. The Holy Spirit could also be considered what we breath and sustains our life. Because holy air would be the same wording. But our spirit is not just air breathed in and out. That is the whole point given in Scripture about the robe of white. You don't breath the robe of white. You don't breath immortality. Life restored is the spirit put on over the physical body. We are no longer dead as in separated from our spirit.
Hazelelponi
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: clears throat:
Except....
The "third temple" isn't made with human hands...
The "third temple" is this:
"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own," 1 Corinthians 6:19
If you're waiting for someone to build it, you'll be waiting a long time...
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” John 2:19
^^^ Christ risen from the dead
We are a royal priesthood. The Holy Spirit isn't housed in a building anymore, and no one will build another. Christ is building His Temple, one brick (saved individual) at a time.
The apostles are the foundation, Christ is the cornerstone, and we are the living stones. It's actually quite beautiful.
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Laughable ..... Who put that idea in your head? So, you are telling us to ignore everything else in the Bible and believe this? You need to read more and stop letting people put trash in your head ....
No Pre-TB
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Barnes:
Sitteth in the temple of God - That is, in the Christian church. It is by no means necessary to understand this of the temple at Jerusalem, which was standing at the time this Epistle was written, because:
(1) the phrase "the temple of God" is several times used with reference to the Christian church, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 1 Corinthians 3:17; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:21; Revelation 3:12; and,
(2) the temple was the proper symbol of the church, and an apostle trained amidst the Hebrew institutions would naturally speak of the church as the temple of God.
Matthew Poole:
the temple of God? 2 Corinthians 6:16Revelation 3:12, &c. But it is a spiritual temple, as the church is called, 1 Corinthians 3:16,17. So Augustine, Jerome, Hilary, Chrysostom, understand it.
Gill:
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God; not in the temple of Jerusalem, which was to be destroyed and never to be rebuilt more, and was destroyed before this man of sin was revealed; but in the church of God, so called, 1 Corinthians 3:16 the Ethiopic version renders it, "in the house of God"; for antichrist rose up out of, and in the midst of the church; and it was a true church in which he first appeared, and over which he usurped power and authority
Geneva:
(4) He foretells that the antichrist (that is, whoever he is that will occupy that seat that falls away from God) will not reign outside of the Church, but in the very bosom of the Church.
He should read more? That is too judgmental. God is judge, not us. Perhaps he sees something that is spiritually discerned that you haven’t seen because it hasn’t been opened to you yet. He is not alone in his opinion as shown above and I agree with him.
Amen, the church is His temple as the scriptures say. But sadly Israel doesn't know this and are very determined to build a Temple made with human hands. And many in Christendom also unfortunately are believing this to be a good thing, and I believe it will be a snare to them.
The Bible clearly says that your body is a temple. Where does it clearly say that there will be a third temple building?
Davy
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Trump actually loves America, and his actions prove that. But the other candidates and present rulers are actually just 'marionettes' acting on the whims of a group of coward shadow rulers that hide behind the scenes. Trump doesn't obey that shadow group. So anyone who cannot see that difference doesn't really have a clue as to what is going on in America.
Davy
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Many years ago, the field of Psychology did some experiments correlating several mental abilities with a moral sense. I had to take an elective in the field of Psychology, so I chose the course on Cognition, which deals with measured behavior of how our mind operates. A movie was even made about this one experiment where 3 separate groups were set before a control panel of switches, each with its own voltmeter gauge. They were told to read the questions to a guy in the back with wires attached to him from that voltage panel, and for each question missed, to flip the first lowest voltage switch, and progression towards higher voltages for each missed question. The guy in the back wasn't actually attached with a wire, but was an actor, and would scream out when a switch was flipped.
Group 1: this first group went through the whole set of questions, with no rebuttle, and flipped the voltage switches as per missed questions.
Group 2: this group began the experiment, but then stopped after a little while, and complained about hurting the guy in the back. The experiment heads then brow beat the subject and they then continued to the end of the experiement without complaining.
Group 3: as soon as the experiment was explained to this group, they rebuked the conductors with the experiment being inhumane and that they ought to be turned in to a higher authority. They then got up and left.
Another experiment was done for all 3 groups that correlated data with the above experiment:
Group 1 -- showed low ability of abstract thinking and reduced ability of visualization.
Group 2 -- showed somewhat more ability to abstract think and visualize.
Group 3 -- had the highest ability for abstract thinking, and ability to visualize.
That revealed that the group with the lowest ability to abstract think had the lowest moral sense, and the highest abstract thinkers had the highest moral sense.
What that data reveals is 'scary'. Because what it means is there's a group of people here on earth that do not have the ability to actually 'think for themselves'. They must be shown and told what to follow, and whatever they are shown or told, they will mostly determine to follow, not allowing any moral sense to direct their thinking. One could easily see this happened with Hitler's Germany, as with other examples like that in history.
Then there's another group (Group 2), that does have some kind of moral sense, but often will be deceived into following the status quo. Then the highest moral sense group won't even begin to be deceived and follow unrighteousness.
Is such a thing as this even Biblical? Yes, believe it or not. See about the "brute beasts" idea in 2 Peter 2:12, and Jude 10. It's like God has ordained some... during this present world, to be like that group lacking a moral sense so as to work the negative side of His Plan.
Regarding many today that hate Trump, but cannot explain why they hate Trump, there it is, an example of their inability to establish a sense of morality between Trump's actions as President vs. other presidents. So what do they do, they follow what they are most shown, or told, like MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. And their friends which also have a very low ability to abstract think, they also just follow what their Group 1 friends do. And likewise with many of Group 2 doing the same.
So brother/sister in Christ Jesus, if you keep asking yourself how so many of the American people can be so duped into believing the propaganda against someone like Trump, and believing it just because the fake news media says Trump is guilty of 'dis or 'dat, then know the above reasons are 'how'... that is happening, and it also suggests that God is in control. Only if the majority of American people banded together, and shut down those mouthpieces of evil that treat us like 'cattle', and want to destroy America, would these things begin to turn around. In the early foundation of the U.S., the majority of founders and American people then all banded together as one people, and that is how they did not allow the children of darkness to creep into their lives.
Group 1: this first group went through the whole set of questions, with no rebuttle, and flipped the voltage switches as per missed questions.
Group 2: this group began the experiment, but then stopped after a little while, and complained about hurting the guy in the back. The experiment heads then brow beat the subject and they then continued to the end of the experiement without complaining.
Group 3: as soon as the experiment was explained to this group, they rebuked the conductors with the experiment being inhumane and that they ought to be turned in to a higher authority. They then got up and left.
Another experiment was done for all 3 groups that correlated data with the above experiment:
Group 1 -- showed low ability of abstract thinking and reduced ability of visualization.
Group 2 -- showed somewhat more ability to abstract think and visualize.
Group 3 -- had the highest ability for abstract thinking, and ability to visualize.
That revealed that the group with the lowest ability to abstract think had the lowest moral sense, and the highest abstract thinkers had the highest moral sense.
What that data reveals is 'scary'. Because what it means is there's a group of people here on earth that do not have the ability to actually 'think for themselves'. They must be shown and told what to follow, and whatever they are shown or told, they will mostly determine to follow, not allowing any moral sense to direct their thinking. One could easily see this happened with Hitler's Germany, as with other examples like that in history.
Then there's another group (Group 2), that does have some kind of moral sense, but often will be deceived into following the status quo. Then the highest moral sense group won't even begin to be deceived and follow unrighteousness.
Is such a thing as this even Biblical? Yes, believe it or not. See about the "brute beasts" idea in 2 Peter 2:12, and Jude 10. It's like God has ordained some... during this present world, to be like that group lacking a moral sense so as to work the negative side of His Plan.
Regarding many today that hate Trump, but cannot explain why they hate Trump, there it is, an example of their inability to establish a sense of morality between Trump's actions as President vs. other presidents. So what do they do, they follow what they are most shown, or told, like MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. And their friends which also have a very low ability to abstract think, they also just follow what their Group 1 friends do. And likewise with many of Group 2 doing the same.
So brother/sister in Christ Jesus, if you keep asking yourself how so many of the American people can be so duped into believing the propaganda against someone like Trump, and believing it just because the fake news media says Trump is guilty of 'dis or 'dat, then know the above reasons are 'how'... that is happening, and it also suggests that God is in control. Only if the majority of American people banded together, and shut down those mouthpieces of evil that treat us like 'cattle', and want to destroy America, would these things begin to turn around. In the early foundation of the U.S., the majority of founders and American people then all banded together as one people, and that is how they did not allow the children of darkness to creep into their lives.
amigo de christo
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And i john saw the holy city . there was no temple therein , FOR GOD and THE LAMB are the temple .
Yep . and we all little stones in that temple . The TEMPLE spoken of in amos and other places
IS SPEAKING OF THE TRUE HEAVENLY SPIRITUAL TEMPLE .
Even peter quoates amos . And i will rebuild the tabernacles of david that is FALLEN
..........when peter quotes this , HE IS SPEAKING OF THE SPIRITUAL and the preachig of the gospel . ITS IN ACTS .
YEP . THE TRUE TEMPLE made not by men IS above and by the SPIRIT within the true lambs . YEP .
YES indeed . TRUE ISRAEL , TRUE JERUSALEM . ONLY ONE WAY INTO IT . GOTTA BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST .
Yes indeed my friend .
No Pre-TB
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Trump loves himself. He uses people to make himself appear to be what "his people" want him to be. I've never seen anyone who loves himself more than Trump loves himself, or who sees himself more highly than Trump sees himself.
amigo de christo
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Trump has followed the same path NEBB did . He better beware .
What GOT nebb humbled , cast out , HIS OWN PRIDE DID . GOD had used nebb to correct the nations and the jews
but NEBB , the very weapon got real high minded , GOD humbled that man big time .
TRUMP better watch out is all i can say . and to those whose hope and trust is in him , GET IT OFF HIM
and ON CHRIST ALONE . cause we got us a house filled full of politicans who DO NOT KNOW , DO NOT FOLLOW GOD
but rather at most USE HIS NAME to exalt themselves and their own agendas . NOT LOOKING GOOD SISTER .
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