Aliens/nephillim at miami mall???

[Freedm]

It's not that world governments would or could get along to form a one world government, but rather that a small group of elites has already done so behind the scenes and have covertly placed people in key positions within the governments of most countries worldwide. They (AKA, the Deep State) have been manipulating world affairs, the economy, wars, etc. for their own benefit while fleecing we the people.

Ya, but they can never get all the nations in the world under their control. Just look at what happened in Niger last summer. Nations are sick and tired of being bullied and are starting to stand up for themselves, and BRICS is giving them the power to do so. No, the days of western world domination are over.

 

[Freedm]

It was written in teh first century but the majority is about events far into the future, which is clearly the case because most of it's events have not happened.

Except the very first line in the book literally says "This is about events that must soon take place". If you think they did not soon take place, then not only are you denying what it says, but you must re-evaluate why you think those things did not take place, because if you're right, then the Revelation was wrong.

 

[Freedm]

Rome was not a world ruling government. It was only a shadow of what's coming.

Yes there is and it will literally be global and not part of the globe like Rome.

Rome ruled the known world, and it's widely accepted among scholars that when "the world" was spoken of in scripture, it referred to the Roman world. Your belief in a future fulfilment of this prophecy is based on a misunderstanding. Rome was the government that ruled the world. Revelation was about the first century AD. The scripture says so.

Revelation 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ,[a] which God gave him to show his servants[b] what must happen very soon

2000 years later is not "very soon", not by anybody's definition.

 

[Freedm]

Yes there is and it will literally be global and not part of the globe like Rome.

If it happens as you say, I'll sign my house over to you. You can have my house, my kids and my dog. No, scratch that. You can have my wife, I'll keep the dog.

 

[ewq1938]

Except the very first line in the book literally says "This is about events that must soon take place".

Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Some things would take place and be seen immediately and some things would be later. The majority of events John saw have not happened so like most prophecy, it was for the distant future.

 

[ewq1938]

Rome ruled the known world,

Part of the known world. The kingdom coming will literally rule it all.

 

[ewq1938]

If it happens as you say, I'll sign my house over to you. You can have my house, my kids and my dog. No, scratch that. You can have my wife, I'll keep the dog.

I'll be in prison or dead but thanks for the offer.

 

[ScottA]

Ya, but they can never get all the nations in the world under their control. Just look at what happened in Niger last summer. Nations are sick and tired of being bullied and are starting to stand up for themselves, and BRICS is giving them the power to do so. No, the days of western world domination are over.

That's not what I am saying. I am saying that in spite of what things appear to be, an elite group has secretly infiltrated most every country worldwide. In other words, their plans include appearing not to be doing what they are actually getting away with behind the scenes.

 

[Freedm]

Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Some things would take place and be seen immediately and some things would be later. The majority of events John saw have not happened so like most prophecy, it was for the distant future.

You're using your own interpretation of the events described, as proof that they have not happened. That's circular logic, because I can just as easily claim that they have, but only one of us is supported by scripture, and that's me.

You claim that John was told this Revelation was about the distant future, but that's not true. John was not told that the vision was about the distant future. In fact, he was told the exact opposite. He was told it "must soon take place". Daniel was told that his vision was about the distant future (because he'd received his vision 400 years earlier), but John was not told that, so how can you claim that Revelation was about the distant future? You can't. You're only making that claim because as far as you know, some of those things described have not yet happened. So you're literally using your own understanding, as evidence to support your claim. I'm using scripture to support my claim.

Revelation 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ,[a] which God gave him to show his servants[b] what must happen very soon

 

[Freedm]

That's not what I am saying. I am saying that in spite of what things appear to be, an elite group has secretly infiltrated most every country worldwide. In other words, their plans include appearing not to be doing what they are actually getting away with behind the scenes.

I don't buy it. There are always radicals pushing their agendas, but the radicals can't even agree with each other. The world is too big and too diverse to control with a single ideology. It will never happen, and if they tried, there would be war. There will always be factions, and there will always be those willing to fight. Too many Christians are believing this nonsense, simply because they think the Bible tells them it will happen, but the Bible doesn't say this. It's a conspiracy theory based on an incorrect reading of Revelation.

 

[Marty fox]

It was written in teh first century but the majority is about events far into the future, which is clearly the case because most of it's events have not happened.






Rome was not a world ruling government. It was only a shadow of what's coming.




Yes there is and it will literally be global and not part of the globe like Rome.

Then how would you explain this?

Daniel was told

Daniel 12
. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

But John was told

Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.

 

[Marty fox]

You're using your own interpretation of the events described, as proof that they have not happened. That's circular logic, because I can just as easily claim that they have, but only one of us is supported by scripture, and that's me.

You claim that John was told this Revelation was about the distant future, but that's not true. John was not told that the vision was about the distant future. In fact, he was told the exact opposite. He was told it "must soon take place". Daniel was told that his vision was about the distant future (because he'd received his vision 400 years earlier), but John was not told that, so how can you claim that Revelation was about the distant future? You can't. You're only making that claim because as far as you know, some of those things described have not yet happened. So you're literally using your own understanding, as evidence to support your claim. I'm using scripture to support my claim.

Revelation 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ,[a] which God gave him to show his servants[b] what must happen very soon

See post #191

Then how would you explain this?

Daniel was told

Daniel 12
. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

But John was told

Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The entire book of Revelation refers to the events of the first century

The devil got to you with his darkened "revelation" which will end badly.

..."This is about events that must soon take place".

From the Lord's view point, it's only been a little over 2 days since Jesus went to the Cross since 1000 years is as a day unto the Lord (2 Peter 3:8), this is coming to pass quickly from the Lord's point of view

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Like the scripture says... be not ignorant of this.

it's widely accepted among scholars that when "the world" was spoken of in scripture, it referred to the Roman world.

They are wrong, just like most of them are wrong about soteriology too!

 

[ewq1938]

Then how would you explain this?

Daniel was told

Daniel 12
. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

But John was told

Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.

How about explaining why almost nothing in Rev has happened yet if it was all to occur so soon? Name the year when two prophets were killed, lay dead for 3.5 days then resurrected and ascended into heaven while everyone watched. I'd like to know when that happened.


Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

 

[Marty fox]

How about explaining why almost nothing in Rev has happened yet if it was all to occur so soon? Name the year when two prophets were killed, lay dead for 3.5 days then resurrected and ascended into heaven while everyone watched. I'd like to know when that happened.


Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Well I have gone over with you about this before but did you notice that you just totally avoided my question to you?

So maybe instead of wanting me to answer your question why don’t you answer mine first?

My question was directed right from the bible

 

[ewq1938]

Well I have gone over with you about this before but did you notice that you just totally avoided my question to you?

So maybe instead of wanting me to answer your question why don’t you answer mine first?

What I brought up was avoided so I brought it up again.

It was written in teh first century but the majority is about events far into the future, which is clearly the case because most of it's events have not happened.

 

[Freedm]

Then how would you explain this?

Daniel was told

Daniel 12
. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

But John was told

Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.

Exactly. Both prophets were given visions of the same events, but Daniel (400 years earlier) was told it was still far into the future. John was told the time was near. Daniel was told to seal the scroll, John was told specifically not to seal the scroll, because the prophecy applies to the current time and the people of the current time, and they should heed the warning.

 

[Freedm]

How about explaining why almost nothing in Rev has happened yet if it was all to occur so soon? Name the year when two prophets were killed, lay dead for 3.5 days then resurrected and ascended into heaven while everyone watched. I'd like to know when that happened.

Just because we don't have those details recorded in history, or maybe we do, but we don't recognize them, doesn't mean they didn't happen. That's simply not a logical conclusion.

Some have posited that Ananus ben Ananus and Jesus ben Gamaliel were the two witnesses, as they tried to prevent the Zealots from desecrating the temple in 70 AD, and negotiated with the Romans to prevent the rebellion several times. They were killed by the zealots. There are other possibilities as well, so you can not definitively say it hasn't happened. Maybe it has, but you just don't recognize it in history.

The zealots, by the way, had 10 generals (10 heads?) and three were slain by Eleazar Ben Simon. Could the zealot movement be the beast with ten heads? It's possible.

Joseph son of Gorion

Ananus the high priest

Jesus, the son of Sapphias

Eleazr, the son of Ananias

Niger

Joseph the son of Simon

Manasseh

John the Esscue

John, the son of Matthias

Josephus, the son of Matthias

 

[Marty fox]

What I brought up was avoided so I brought it up again.

But what you brought up wasn't to me so how would you answer my question?

 

[ScottA]

I don't buy it. There are always radicals pushing their agendas, but the radicals can't even agree with each other. The world is too big and too diverse to control with a single ideology. It will never happen, and if they tried, there would be war. There will always be factions, and there will always be those willing to fight. Too many Christians are believing this nonsense, simply because they think the Bible tells them it will happen, but the Bible doesn't say this. It's a conspiracy theory based on an incorrect reading of Revelation.

Again, it's not "a single ideology", but a dictatorship by a small elite group with their operatives secretly involved in controlling world affairs within most countries would wide. If you don't believe it--research the Act of 1871 (American or British). But, yes, there would be war--it's happening right now--covertly world wide.