Lambano
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Then who is it of whom Jesus says, "no man can pluck them out of My hand?"That;s not true... according to God's Word.
And what does it REALLY mean to be "born again"?
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Then who is it of whom Jesus says, "no man can pluck them out of My hand?"That;s not true... according to God's Word.
John 1:10-13 KJVIt’s not about proving each other wrong as I’m sure you are a Brother in Christ, your just confused , I can tell that, because you post Gods word out of context ....I’ve done the same....none of us are without error, Brother are we?
We just need to let God speak to us through his word and not our words.....we all Love God, everyone of us on this thread.....and we’re all seekers,xoxo
I means you've been made alive in a new way being joined to God our Creator Himself. He lives, so we live. Eternally. And there is nothing that can force God to break that bond, and He says it's permanent. So who is it that will take you away from Him???Then who is it of whom Jesus says, "no man can pluck them out of My hand?"
And what does it REALLY mean to be "born again"?
Then who is it of whom Jesus says, "no man can pluck them out of My hand?"
So being "Born Again" is meaningless?Yes, no third party can pluck us out of His hand... but if WE turn and walk away... we are no longer saved.
I could make a case that we become literally "Born of God" (1 John 3.9) at the Resurrection at the Second Coming.
So, you see being "Born Again" as a metaphor or figure of speech for our relationship with Christ and not a real change in our own nature?No, that's entering in to a personal relationship with the Lord when one sincerely believes in their heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and confesses Him as their Lord having turned away from their sins putting off the old man and putting the New Man on which is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Ephesians 4:24)
Really? I don't see that. Paul wrote,but if WE turn and walk away...
So, you see being "Born Again" as a metaphor or figure of speech for our relationship with Christ and not a real change in our own nature?
This isn't me playing "gotcha". I'm trying to pull out how people really understand what the phrase "Born Again" means. And I see two very different understandings here.
Not true...Jesus has already explained to Nicodemus how we are Born Again..he explains it in the very top part of that scripture.Because there is no scripture covering this specific topic. In fact, the only time Christian is even used in the Bible is in the book of Acts, where it is noted that it was at the church in Antioch that believers were first called Christians.
Now as to my statement, it is merely a simple application of logical reasoning:
A) to be born again requires you to follow Christ* (see below)
B) the word 'Christian ' means 'follower of Christ'
Therefore, if you are born again, you are de facto a Christian.
*John 3:5-15
5Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]
9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[e] 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[g]
Do you actually understand Born Again of imperishable seed?John 1:10-13 KJV
10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
In verse 12, "received" is in the active voice, meaning it is something the person does themself. "Believe" is also active voice, meaning the same thing.
John 3:8 KJV
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Here, "born" is in the passive voice, meaning it's an action that is done to the person.
In verses 15 and 16 we see the same thing, "whosoever believes", "believes" is again active voice, the person is themself doing the action.
We receive, we believe, and God gives us rebirth.
Back to 2:11, He came to His own, and His own received Him not, again, "received" is the active voice, they themselves did not receive Jesus.
Some do not receive Him, but those who do, again, God regenerates.
My understanding is that God shows Himself to us, He gives us the opportunity to believe, and to receive Jesus, but that unless we actually do, by our own choice, we will not be born again.
This is why Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 5, urging, be reconciled to God.
Romans 5:11 LITV
and not only so, but also glorying in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we now received the reconciliation.
Again, "received" is active voice.
If God were causing us to receive Jesus, it would have to be in the passive voice, being recipients of the action, to be accurate. Being in the active voice, it puts that action on us. We receive Him.
I'm not speaking regarding how we perceive our experience of "being saved", how it seemed, only, how the Bible speaks of this.
Much love!
Interesting..The Born Again can never be lost...I agree with you there.Nah. The Lost Sheep are the not-yet-Born-Again. The Born-Again sheep can never be lost.
Show me where the Born Again are mentioned in that scripture.That;s not true... according to God's Word.
The folks spoken of in the verses were born again at one point
1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron
("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)
2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)
A Christian is NOT Born Again...
That scripture is not speaking to a “ Born Again “ if it were, God would use the word “ Born Again “....therefore imo...it’s your opinion ,that you think the Born Again can be lost....the Born Again always know in their heart that they are “ Born Of The Spirit “ do you actually believe the “ Born Again can hide from God?
This is a Christian forum,yes, some are searching for God...now once again, instead of voicing your confused opinion.Did you just say that on a Christian talk forum??? Really? View attachment 40678
I got news for ya... if you aren't born again, you ain't a Christian.
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I hope you get the help you so desperately need!
The real question is what it means to you. Clearly if you are not a Christian, then, by definition, you are not a follower of Christ.We know this because we have been “ Born Again “ of “ Imperishable seed”...what does that mean to you?
We know when we are Born Again because it’s our spirit that is Born Again, Spirit gives birth to spirit.And what does it REALLY mean to be "born again"?