Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

[BarneyFife]

A very short answer is actually available...

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The law that was changed pertains only to the priesthood and no Scripture speaking of that change has anything to do with the Ten Commandments.

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[Ziggy]

Don't worry about it.
A.I. is going to write it's own bible for all the world to believe. And we won't have to deal with these silly human arguments anymore.

Comes straight from the mouth of the Anti-Christ himself.

This is real. This is coming on the world. And we have to be ready.

Hugs

 

[BarneyFife]

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Can't be the same law.

Verses 16-18 of Hebrews 7 says the law that is being changed is carnal/fleshly, weak, and unprofitable:

Heb 7:16-18
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

But Romans 7 says that the law is spiritual, holy, just and good.

Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Verse 14 even directly contrasts "spiritual" with "carnal," thoroughly impeaching the theory that Hebrews 7 is talking about the moral law being changed.

Are we really supposed to believe that "carnal" = "spiritual" and that "weak and unprofitable" = "holy, just, and good?"

I'm just reading the Bible here—no Sabbatarian hocus-pocus required.

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[Logikos]

Paul lays it out in Hebrews if we just open our eyes and see...
Hebrews 4:9 YLT
3 for we do enter into the rest -- we who did believe, as He said, `So I sware in My anger, If they shall enter into My rest -- ;' and yet the works were done from the foundation of the world,
4 for He spake in a certain place concerning the seventh [day] thus: `And God did rest in the seventh day from all His works;'
5 and in this [place] again, `If they shall enter into My rest -- ;'
6 since then, it remaineth for certain to enter into it, and those who did first hear good news entered not in because of unbelief --
7 again He doth limit a certain day, `To-day,' (in David saying, after so long a time,) as it hath been said, `To-day, if His voice ye may hear, ye may not harden your hearts,'
8 for if Joshua had given them rest, He would not concerning another day have spoken after these things;
9 there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God,

Paul definitely did not write Hebrews. This passage you quote is as good of evidence as is needed to prove it.

 

[Logikos]

A very short answer is actually available...

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

After much study and long debate, it has been determined that the book of Hebrews was written to....

wait for it.....


THE HEBREWS!

More importantly, even if the book of Hebrews was directly relevant, the verses you quote do not teach a suspension of Sabbath observance. By your logic, one might just as easily argue that the laws against murder and theft have been rescinded.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Paul definitely did not write Hebrews.

Thank you for that quote from the Book of Speculations!

More importantly, even if the book of Hebrews was directly relevant, the verses you quote do not teach a suspension of Sabbath observance. By your logic, one might just as easily argue that the laws against murder and theft have been rescinded.

Hebrews was written to Christians that were descendants of Abraham... so the contents therein is directed to Christians

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It's a carnal minded fallacy to claim one can not obey the other 9 commandments which are in the New Testament under the Law of Christ as they are part of God's moral law... Saturday sabbath was replaced in the New Covenant with a better REST that can only be found by abiding IN Christ walking in faith... EVERY DAY, not just one day

Some of you sabatarians claim keeping Saturday sabbath is not a requirement for salvation... if that is truly the sabatarian position then you all are wasting your time going around claiming Christians are required to keep Saturday sabbath and then turn around and claim it has nothing to do with our salvation.

This makes it a matter of one's preference whether they attend church on Saturday or Sunday or Wednesday since the New Covenant gives NO instructions on what day is the day we are required to have church services.

And sadly, other sabatarians that have websites teaching all things SDA do actually claim those that don't observe Saturday sabbath will burn in hell, so it sounds like the SDA religion doesn't know what it believes and they are divided against themselves.

Rather than you guys trying to put your personal convictions upon others as something they MUST observe, maybe you should be putting your efforts in to reforming your own SDA religion .

As for me, your personal convictions are not binding upon me or anyone else for that matter as they are obviously NOT taught in the New Covenant... and it's sad to see that some SDA don't accept teachings of the New Covenant... but again that's just your personal convictions that don't reflect the leading of the Lord Jesus from His Word.

 

[BarneyFife]

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Except for Exodus 20:8-11, I guess.

Saturday sabbath was replaced in the New Covenant with a better REST that can only be found by abiding IN Christ walking in faith... EVERY DAY, not just one day

The Sabbath is the 4th article of the moral law, and if the moral law was of the mind of God changeable, then Christ, His Son need not to have died.

This makes it a matter of one's preference whether they attend church on Saturday or Sunday or Wednesday since the New Covenant gives NO instructions on what day is the day we are required to have church services.

As for me, your personal convictions are not binding upon me or anyone else for that matter as they are obviously NOT taught in the New Covenant...

No, the New Covenant is Everlasting, forward and backward. No one was ever saved by the Old Covenant. And the law that was changed per Hebrews 7 has been shown not to be the Ten Commandments.

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[Behold]

If the Sabbath was abolished,

Shabbat is interesting, because God gave this before "Moses Law" came around.
Just like the TITHE.
Both pre-existed before Moses, or the Law and Commandments.

SHABBAT.....Its a day of rest, that was created for Man.

Now, Cults, and Heretics, teach that Man is made for the Shabbat, as if mankind is to obey a day of the week, as if its a LAW.
Its not.
Shabbat was MADE for Man.............not man for Shabbat.

Jesus would heal and teach on Shabbat, to show the religious pride filled heretics that HE is the Lord of Shabbat, and Shabbat is not the Lord of Him.

Now, reader, if you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious, then you are IN CHRIST, and "ONE with God", and they are not bound by Shabbat, and neither are you.
Listen.. "there is now NO CONDEMNATION to those who are in Christ"... = ALL the BORN AGAIN.

So, before some of you "flame on" and "freak out" because you are so infected with this SUNDAY or SATURDAY concept... let me just say that its fine if you want to have a day of rest.
If you feel that this is Sunday, then so be it.
If you feel this is Saturday, then good for you.
God is actually only interested in YOU... He's not interested in some day of the week, event.

"you are NOT under the Law, but UNDER GRACE"..., so, dont turn a day of week into a LAW when "Shabbat" was given before Moses Law existed.
See it?

Just realize that anything you do for God, is good, except for trying to force others to do what you feel YOU have to do.

See, CHRISTianity, is not a religion.. Its not rules and regulation, and man made traditions.

CHRISTianity, = IS YOU and JESUS and GOD... all become ONE,...... and so, this is so very personal, and so very much a "one on one" eternal relationship.
And all the other stuff, other then Paul's doctrine, and being sure you live a life that LOVES others by deeds and not just words, as you give yourself to God... all that other stuff... is just "stuff".
It just "religious"..
Its "forum arguments"forum arguments... that are meaningless and to be avoided.

 

[Jay Ross]

it seems to me that any discussion on the importance of Sabbath worship requirements is a pointless exercise for the majority of the members.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Shabbat is interesting, because God gave this before "Moses Law" came around.
Just like the TITHE.
Both pre-existed before Moses, or the Law and Commandments.

But it became a requirement for salvation under the Law of Moses... just like not eating swine, not touching dead people, etc, etc.

SHABBAT.....Its a day of rest, that was created for Man.

And under the New Covenant... we have been given better a better REST in Christ Jesus!

Listen.. "there is now NO CONDEMNATION to those who are in Christ"... = ALL the BORN AGAIN.

That's not what the scripture says... Here's what it actually says:

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

it seems to me that any discussion on the importance of Sabbath worship requirements

So you are saying this is a REQUIREMENT for Christians meaning one is not going to Heaven if they don['t observe Saturday sabbath?

Care to elaborate on what you mean specifically by calling this a requirement?

 

[BarneyFife]

And under the New Covenant... we have been given better a better REST in Christ Jesus!

No one from Adam forward has ever been saved without resting from their own works as a means of the salvation that only the blood of the spotless Lamb of God, the Son, provides.

Heb 10:4 KJV For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Here's the kicker, though:

Hebrews 10:1-14, from which you love to quote verse 7 completely out of context, is so clear about the nature of the law that had to be changed—and it doesn't even hint at the moral, but so obviously refers to the sacrificial/ceremonial law.

And so far from changing the moral law, it goes right into referring to it as that which must be written on the heart of believers in verses 15-27 to avoid the wrath of God in rejecting His Son.

And still no response from you about the refutation of your twisted interpretation of Hebrews 7:12.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Can't be the same law.

Verses 16-18 of Hebrews 7 says the law that is being changed is carnal/fleshly, weak, and unprofitable:

Heb 7:16-18
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

But Romans 7 says that the law is spiritual, holy, just and good.

Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Verse 14 even directly contrasts "spiritual" with "carnal," thoroughly impeaching the theory that Hebrews 7 is talking about the moral law being changed.

Are we really supposed to believe that "carnal" = "spiritual" and that "weak and unprofitable" = "holy, just, and good?"

I'm just reading the Bible here—no Sabbatarian hocus-pocus required.

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[BarneyFife]

So you are saying this is a REQUIREMENT for Christians meaning one is not going to Heaven if they don['t observe Saturday sabbath?

Care to elaborate on what you mean specifically by calling this a requirement?

Will a person who professes Christ go to Heaven if they persist in the business of larceny?

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[BarneyFife]

But it became a requirement for salvation under the Law of Moses... just like not eating swine, not touching dead people, etc, etc.

No one was ever saved by the merits of keeping any law.

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[Jay Ross]

Big Bad Boy this is what I had posted

it seems to me that any discussion on the importance of Sabbath worship requirements is a pointless exercise for the majority of the members.

This what you quoted from my post: -

"it seems to me that any discussion on the importance of Sabbath worship requirements"

And you ignored the rest of my post where I said: -

"is a pointless exercise for the majority of the members."

An you then went on to post this: -

So you are saying this is a REQUIREMENT for Christians meaning one is not going to Heaven if they don['t observe Saturday sabbath?

Care to elaborate on what you mean specifically by calling this a requirement?

NO. The Lord already has: -

So the Sabbath Day of rest was a requirement of the Lord before the Ten Commandments were written: -

Exodus 16:22-30: - 22 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. 23 Then he said to them, "This is what the Lord has said: 'Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.'" 24 So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. 25 Then Moses said, "Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none."

27 Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28 And the Lord said to Moses, "How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore, He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day." 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

Exodus 20:8-11: - 8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labour and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Exodus 23:10-13: - The Law of Sabbaths
10 "Six years you shall sow your land and gather in its produce, 11 but the seventh year you shall let it rest and lie fallow, that the poor of your people may eat; and what they leave, the beasts of the field may eat. In like manner you shall do with your vineyard and your olive grove. 12 Six days you shall do your work, and on the seventh day you shall rest, that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female servant and the stranger may be refreshed.
13 "And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other gods, nor let it be heard from your mouth.

Exodus 31: 12-17: - The Sabbath Law
12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your ages, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it will die the second death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall die the second death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their ages as a covenant for a prolonged period, {which ends at the vanishing point in time}. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for all time; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.'"

Exodus 35:1-3: - Sabbath Regulations
35:1 Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, "These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day."

Numbers 15:32-36: - Penalty for Violating the Sabbath
(Ex 31:12-17)
32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, "The man must die this death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

Deuteronomy 5:12-15: - 12 'Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labour and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15 And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore, the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

 

[Logikos]

Thank you for that quote from the Book of Speculations! View attachment 40792

The only thing laughable is the fact that everyone who makes the claim that Paul wrote Hebrews knows next to nothing about what Paul taught vs was is taught in Hebrews, and, when it is shown to them, the evidence is never allowed to persuade their minds to the point that I typically don't even bother with showing it any longer. It isn't about thinking, it isn't about evidence, it isn't even about the bible. It's about pet doctrines that people have grown up believing and that they love far more than any pursuit of understanding God's word, rightly divided.

Hebrews was written to Christians that were descendants of Abraham... so the contents therein is directed to Christians

True! You'd sort of have to be stupid to suggest anything in the New Testament was written to a non-christian audience, right? I mean, the entire thing is about Jesus Christ from start to finish! Who else would it be written too?

Hebrews is indeed written to Christians but they are believers from the previous dispensation. Same goes for the whole rest of the New Testament from Hebrews right through Revelation.

Did you ever notice how many Christian debates over various doctrines split down a line with Paul on one side and the whole rest of the New Testament on the other?

Is water baptism required for salvation?
Is Sabbath observance required?
Can you lose your salvation?
Are works required for salvation?
Will the rapture actually happen?
Should Christian follow the Ten Commandments?
Should Christians avoid unclean foods?
Do miracles happen today?

All of those things and more divide neatly along a line where Paul's epistles are on one side and the entire rest of the bible is on the other. There are some who have noticed this and have done exactly the wrong thing and rejected Paul's writings altogether. Others have done the same in practice while still giving Paul lip service. Most however, have no idea at all that the distinction even exists and they live and teach a doctrine that mixes law and grace together and they routinely ignore contradiction after contradiction after contradiction until their contradiction detector breaks and their mind turns off and they just believe without a desire to understand. Such is the condition of very nearly the entire Christian church.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Amen! But why didn't you quote verse 15?

2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It is only when you rightly divide the word of truth that all scripture is profitable! Without rightly dividing, the bible is full to the brim with contradictions. (e.g. Romans 4 vs. James 2)

It's a carnal minded fallacy to claim one can not obey the other 9 commandments which are in the New Testament under the Law of Christ as they are part of God's moral law... Saturday sabbath was replaced in the New Covenant with a better REST that can only be found by abiding IN Christ walking in faith... EVERY DAY, not just one day

This is rationalizing. The Sabbath is Saturday - period. There is exactly zero biblical evidence that the Sabbath has ever been anything other than the last day of the week and have never been associated at all with the first day of the week in any context.

(This, of course, is not making reference to other "Sabbaths" such as the various feasts of Israel and other symbolic or ritualistic sabbath rests most of which weren't dealing with a particular day of the week at all but stretched over several days or even whole weeks and even years.)

The only reason anyone even tries to make Sunday the new Sabbath is because they desire to place themselves back under the law and can't figure out what to do with that pesky list of ten commandments that includes keeping Saturday holy.

Some of you sabatarians claim keeping Saturday sabbath is not a requirement for salvation... if that is truly the sabatarian position then you all are wasting your time going around claiming Christians are required to keep Saturday sabbath and then turn around and claim it has nothing to do with our salvation.

This same logic holds for any aspect of the law you want to name.

This makes it a matter of one's preference whether they attend church on Saturday or Sunday or Wednesday since the New Covenant gives NO instructions on what day is the day we are required to have church services.

Quite so! We are not required to have church services at all!

And sadly, other sabatarians that have websites teaching all things SDA do actually claim those that don't observe Saturday sabbath will burn in hell, so it sounds like the SDA religion doesn't know what it believes and they are divided against themselves.

Such self-contradiction is all but unavoidable when teaching that which is false. In fact, that's a big part of why its false.

Rather than you guys trying to put your personal convictions upon others as something they MUST observe, maybe you should be putting your efforts in to reforming your own SDA religion .

Abolishing it would be the only effective recourse. You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

As for me, your personal convictions are not binding upon me or anyone else for that matter as they are obviously NOT taught in the New Covenant... and it's sad to see that some SDA don't accept teachings of the New Covenant... but again that's just your personal convictions that don't reflect the leading of the Lord Jesus from His Word.

Good sentiment so long as one is careful to avoid being hypocritical.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The only thing laughable is the fact that everyone who makes the claim that Paul wrote Hebrews knows next to nothing about what Paul taught vs was is taught in Hebrews

Ultimately, the Lord Jesus instructed the writer of Hebrews to write what was written... so it matter not who put the quill to the parchment as it was what the Lord said thru the writer that we need to pay attention to.

Amen! But why didn't you quote verse 15?

Next time, I'll quote the entire Word of God to make sure nothing is left out... Click Here to access God's Word.

It is only when you rightly divide the word of truth that all scripture is profitable!

Correct, and this is where the sabbatarians are failing...

The Sabbath is Saturday - period.

That's speculation... simply because nothing in the New Testament says this.

We are not required to have church services at all!

And this shows the sabbatarians are just wasting their time with all their blah blah about observing Saturday as the only day of the week that is holy unto the Lord

Such self-contradiction is all but unavoidable when teaching that which is false. In fact, that's a big part of why its false.

Since going to church in Saturday does not get one thrown in to hell... why does the SDA religion going around falsely claiming Saturday sabbath is a REQUIREMENT? It make no sense to do this.

 

[BarneyFife]

That's speculation... simply because nothing in the New Testament says this.

Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. (Matthew 28:1)

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[Logikos]

Ultimately, the Lord Jesus instructed the writer of Hebrews to write what was written... so it matter not who put the quill to the parchment as it was what the Lord said thru the writer that we need to pay attention to.

On the contrary! It makes all the difference in the world!

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Galatians 2: 7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), 9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.​

Paul did not have the same ministry nor preach the same gospel as the Twelve. It literally couldn't make a bigger difference!

Next time, I'll quote the entire Word of God to make sure nothing is left out... Click Here to access God's Word.

This might be the most idiotically boring discussion website I have ever seen in my life! I've been doing this since the 1990s and I have never encountered a discussion forum where practically every single person on it simply refuses to discuss anything. All I get here is this sort of sarcastic nonsense!

You don't think that the verse immediately preceding your proof text has any bearing on the context of that proof-text? You want to use verse 16 to lump all of scripture together while the author of verse 16 stated as clear as day in the sentence immediate prior to verse 16 that dividing the word of truth is required if you want to be a workman with no need to be ashamed of yourself. Meaning that you if you don't want to end up being the guy who taught people a bunch of incorrect doctrine then you need to understand the divisions that exist in God's word.

That sounds like pretty important context to me! Certainly worth more of a response that you blowing me off like I've just quoted a random verse out of the book of Nahum.

Correct, and this is where the sabbatarians are failing...

Quite so! As are you!

That's speculation... simply because nothing in the New Testament says this.

Arguments from silence are a two edged sword, BB!

There's nothing in the New Testament that says that Sunday is the new Sabbath day. As I said, the only reason that anyone argues that it is the new sabbath is because they desire to place themselves back under the law by following the Ten Commandments but don't want to go to church a day earlier and so figure out a way to squeeze Sunday into the 4th commandment.

And this shows the sabbatarians are just wasting their time with all their blah blah about observing Saturday as the only day of the week that is holy unto the Lord. Since going to church on Saturday does not get one thrown in to hell... why does the SDA religion going around falsely claiming Saturday sabbath is a REQUIREMENT? It make no sense to do this.

This seems to be an inconsistency on your part. If you agree with me that church services are not required, even on Sunday, then what's the point of saying that Sunday is the Sabbath under the New Covenant, to use your terminology.

 

[BarneyFife]

This might be the most idiotically boring discussion website I have ever seen in my life! I've been doing this since the 1990s and I have never encountered a discussion forum where practically every single person on it simply refuses to discuss anything.

As I said, the only reason that anyone argues that it is the new sabbath is because they desire to place themselves back under the law by following the Ten Commandments but don't want to go to church a day earlier and so figure out a way to squeeze Sunday into the 4th commandment.

I don't think this kind of mind-reading rhetoric contributes much to the spirit of free discussion that you claim to prize so highly.

On the contrary! It makes all the difference in the world!

Paul did not have the same ministry nor preach the same gospel as the Twelve. It literally couldn't make a bigger difference!

And your emphatic insistence on the importance of who wrote what book of the Bible isn't much better. I don't see that principle prioritized in Scripture as a whole.

Frankly, it comes across much like the neo-Gnotic elitism I see everywhere on Christian discussion platforms.

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