Born Again or Christian? Is there a difference and what is your biblical support ?

[Ritajanice]

We must be Born Of The Spirit/ Born Again/ regenerated, etc,etc.....not a Born again Christian.

Only a Born Again can follow God via his Holy Spirit...for their spirit has been Born Again therefore in Gods Kingdom.

A Christian who believes they are following God by reading their bible every day....does not make them Born Again.....

That is an act of God via his Spirit....” Spirit gives birth to spirit......just us flesh gives birth to flesh....a Christian needs to receive the Living rebirth...then they are called the “ Born Again “ only in Name....not Born Again Christian...my opinion and belief.and when you can show me otherwise get back to me.

I have been called to stand on the word of God....I have also shown biblical truth over and over and over....I cannot go against God’s word....he won’t allow me to.

 

[JBO]

Please.....don’t start getting personal again....I was trying to help....I don’t want to get involved in the tit for tat unedifying nonsense you have just posted.especially coming from a 84 yr old man it’s extremely embarrassing.

Discuss the topic please?

So you think that my reply #400 where I told you that I was saved is funny. I think that is about as personal as it can get. That probably describes you to a tee. And I certainly do not need any help from the likes of you.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you think that my reply #400 where I told you that I was saved is funny. I think that is about as personal as it can get. That probably describes you to a tee. And I certainly do not need any help from the likes of you.

she is doing the thing called telling you to not do what she herself is doing.

probably best to just move on.. It seems all she wants to do is fight..

 

[JBO]

she is doing the thing called telling you to not do what she herself is doing.

probably best to just move on.. It seems all she wants to do is fight..

Yes!!!

 

[Ritajanice]

It seems all she will do is stand on God’s word.

A 9 yr old would never know how to repent come to Godly sorrow..and be Born of The Spirit...75 yrs Born Again...I believe the child was water baptised and has been indoctrinated to truly believe they are Born Again..like the other member, they have very little imo, understanding of spiritual matters.
..they speak of the knowledge of the Bible ( intellect) you need heart revelation to be Born of the Spirit......anyone can believe, even the demons believed...your spirit must be Born Again and not your intellect.

◄ James 2:19 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. New Living Translation You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. English Standard Version You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Berean Standard Bible You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. Berean Literal Bible You believe that God is one. You are doing well! Even the demons believe that, and shudder!

That is why they continue to say they are Born Again Christian..that is not Gods word.
..hence their confusion.

I would also like to hear this members testimony that they were Born Again 75 yrs ago...as I see no spiritual growth..in the Spirit...all I have ever seen by this member is there own intellect leading them through scripture.

They even deny that the the Holy Spirit leads them through scripture..to me that is worrying, as Gods word says, we are none of His without the Spirit.

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◄ Romans 8:9 ►

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Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. New King James Version But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. American Standard Version But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Berean Study Bible You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Born Again verses a Christian.....

◄ James 2:19 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. New Living Translation You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. English Standard Version You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Berean Standard Bible You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. Berean Literal Bible You believe that God is one. You are doing well! Even the demons believe that, and shudder!

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes!!!

No, that’s your opinion, I stand on God’s word...you cannot show anyone that we are Born Again Christian.

A Born again can only follow Jesus via his Spirit..our spirit is Born Again...many, many biblical questions I have asked you , you have evaded nearly all of them, and the ones you do answer, you copy and paste from the internet....

Jesus disciples I believe were called Christians...they weren’t called Born Again.

What you seem to not understand is that Jesus had to die and then resurrected...before anyone could become Born Again under the New Covenant..that is what a Born Again is under.

But, we also need our spirit to become Born Again...that is not an intellectual act...it’s a Living rebirth that only the Living word of God can do via his Holy Spirit.

Tell us how one can believe / have faith in God without receiving his Holy Spirit?

You can believe the Bible in your own intellect, you need the Holy Spirit to know you are Born Again..then he can speak to you via his Spirit because God’s word is Alive and Active...that he speaks to his Born Again.

Born Again verses a Christian...

◄ 2 Peter 1:3 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. New Living Translation By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence. English Standard Version His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, Berean Standard Bible His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

 

[Ritajanice]

she is doing the thing called telling you to not do what she herself is doing.

probably best to just move on.. It seems all she wants to do is fight..

She stands on God’s word...

It seems all you want to do is sow confusion....support your Born Again Christian with scripture?

Not your as usual, opinion....your opinion of me, will NEVER in a million years stop me standing on God’s word his truth.....so are you a Born Again or a Christian?

There is much more to believing in Jesus....you must know him in your heart?

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◄ Romans 8:9 ►

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Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. New King James Version But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. American Standard Version But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Berean Study Bible You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

That’s why as Gods word say...we must be Born Of The Spirit....regenerated/ quickened....you didn’t even know what imperishable seed was...?

Only God can give us the faith to believe and follow him via his Spirit..a Born Again was predestined/ chosen to become Born Again...they are used by God for His purpose and plan.

◄ 2 Peter 1:3 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. New Living Translation By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence. English Standard Version His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, Berean Standard Bible His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

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As Gods word says.

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◄ James 2:19 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. New Living Translation You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. English Standard Version You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Berean Standard Bible You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. Berean Literal Bible You believe that God is one. You are doing well! Even the demons believe that, and shudder! ◄ 2 Peter 1:3 ► Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. New Living Translation By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence. English Standard Version His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, Berean Standard Bible His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

 

[Ritajanice]

They also accuse..yet they laugh at the word of God that has been posted.

 

[Ritajanice]

Do you seriously believe that God forms a spiritually dead spirit in us at birth? I would hope not.

Then why did God say we were once spiritually dead?

Because of your disobedience and sins, ..so I ask again....how would we know we were in disobedience and sins, if we were at one time alienated from God?..spiritually dead?....doesn’t Gods word say the carnal mind has no understanding of spiritual matters?

One only knows they were walking in disobedience and sins after they have been forgiven of their sins by God, then Born of the Spirit?

As I’ve tried to explain many times to you, without the Spirit of God...you cannot understand that of spiritual matters?

Do you understand we were once darkness, blinded by seeing in our heart Gods truth...

That was until he made us Born Of The Spirit, then we were brought into his light/ truth....brought from darkness into his light....therefore what needs to be Born Again in us....God has already given you the answer in his word?

Has the enemy blinded you?...have you received his word ( Living) into your heart?

Ephesians 2:1-10​

1 In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins. 1
2 At that time you followed the world's evil way; you obeyed the ruler of the spiritual powers in space, the spirit who now controls the people who disobey God.
3 Actually all of us were like them and lived according to our natural desires, doing whatever suited the wishes of our own bodies and minds. In our natural condition we, like everyone else, were destined to suffer God's anger.
4 But God's mercy is so abundant, and his love for us is so great,
5 that while we were spiritually dead in our disobedience he brought us to life with Christ. It is by God's grace that you have been saved.
6 In our union with Christ Jesus he raised us up with him to rule with him in the heavenly world.
7 He did this to demonstrate for all time to come the extraordinary greatness of his grace in the love he showed us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts,
9 but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.
10 God has made us what we are, and in our union with Christ Jesus he has created us for a life of good deeds, which he has already prepared for us to do.

 

[Ritajanice]

The man called Adam was created when God “formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul”(Genesis 2:7). Therefore, Adam was created from the soil, which is actually reflected in his name.


Yes, that’s how God formed Adam, yet, because of the fall, we inherited the same fate as Adam, our spirit when we were born had no spiritual life, we were in darkness and we grew up in darkness/ ignorance...that was until God made us Born Again / Born Of The Spirit.....then and only then were our spirit awakened, that is the Living spiritual rebirth.

Many can’t get their heart around that Gods word is Alive and Active....they think still in the carnal mind, they need to renew their minds and get out of that old mind set of thinking.

Ask God to reveal his truth to your heart,.,and remember the enemy wants you to stay in confusion that many are in today....including me at times.....when you feel confused, ask God to show your heart his truth.

 

[JBO]

It seems all she will do is stand on God’s word.

A 9 yr old would never know how to repent come to Godly sorrow..and be Born of The Spirit...75 yrs Born Again...I believe the child was water baptised and has been indoctrinated to truly believe they are Born Again..like the other member, they have very little imo, understanding of spiritual matters.
..they speak of the knowledge of the Bible ( intellect) you need heart revelation to be Born of the Spirit......anyone can believe, even the demons believed...your spirit must be Born Again and not your intellect.

A child needs only to believe in God and know the consequences of his sins. There is no measure of understanding spiritual matters set forth beyond that for one to be a candidate for being born again to receive salvation. What you believe about such things is completely irrelevant, particularly since so much of what you believe about such things is unbiblical.

 

[JBO]

Then why did God say we were once spiritually dead?

Because of your disobedience and sins, ..so I ask again....how would we know we were in disobedience and sins, if we were at one time alienated from God?..spiritually dead?....doesn’t Gods word say the carnal mind has no understanding of spiritual matters?

One only knows they were walking in disobedience and sins after they have been forgiven of their sins by God, then Born of the Spirit?

A good display of the lack of any real biblical understanding.

 

[Ritajanice]

A child needs only to believe in God and know the consequences of his sins. There is no measure of understanding spiritual matters set forth beyond that for one to be a candidate for being born again to receive salvation. What you believe about such things is completely irrelevant, particularly since so much of what you believe about such things is unbiblical.

No, that is not biblical..just your opinion...utter confusion posted above ..

Even the demons believed..we must be Born Of The Spirit..

 

[Ritajanice]

A good display of the lack of any real biblical understanding.

And once again ..as usual an opinion...

 

[JBO]

The man called Adam was created when God “formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul”(Genesis 2:7). Therefore, Adam was created from the soil, which is actually reflected in his name.


Yes, that’s how God formed Adam, yet, because of the fall, we inherited the same fate as Adam, our spirit when we were born had no spiritual life,

So you believe that God gave you a spirit having no "spiritual" life. That is one really sick view of God.

 

[JBO]

And once again ..as usual an opinion...

And once again as usual an opinion.

 

[Ritajanice]

So you believe that God gave you a spirit having no "spiritual" life. That is one really sick view of God.

You have no idea what you are talking about..you don’t even know what spiritual life is?

You imo have been indoctrinated heavily and I pray God opens your heart to receive his “ Living “ word.

 

[Ritajanice]

And once again as usual an opinion.

I have posted scripture after scripture...and still you evade my biblical questions..

Please discuss the topic in hand..

 

[JBO]

I have posted scripture after scripture...and still you evade my biblical questions..

Please discuss the topic in hand..

Anyone can post scripture; understanding that scripture is the key and you don't. You understand almost nothing about any of the scripture after scripture that you post. Again and again you have shown by your opinions about the things contained in those posts that you understand none of it. That is what this topic has turned into.

I can only hope and pray that you come to some semblance of biblical knowledge and understanding.

 

[Ritajanice]

Anyone can post scripture; understanding that scripture is the key and you don't. You understand almost nothing about any of the scripture after scripture that you post. Again and again you have shown by your opinions about the things contained in those posts that you understand none of it. That is what this topic has turned into.

I can only hope and pray that you come to some semblance of biblical knowledge and understanding.

Can you please post scripture to support your belief system?

Otherwise I will report your posts ..

This thread is about Born Again verses Christian..?

Discuss?