St. SteVen
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Mark 10:14 NIV
When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them,
“Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them,
for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
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When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them,
“Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them,
for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
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Truthnightmare
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Wasting your time… I’m not interested in your writings nor will I read them… have a nice day.
Yesterday I came out as a transfemme. I am a Christian Universalist transgirl, so I believe that all will be given faith in Christ by God and thus gain permanent salvation.
Today, Dec 15 2023, my transphobic Infernannihlationist mother is already gaslighting me saying "Don't get your identity confused. You're not a girl, don't get mixed up. Don't get influenced. Make sure people they don't get ok [my real name]. It's not because you're looking at girls, you're a girl, that's not the case. Maybe we should cut your hair so we see what you orally look like. You want a haircut?”
“No” I tell her to which she replies “Want shorter hair? For a change.”
[What shocked me was that I did not come out to my mother. I did not tell my mother that I was a transgirl before this predetermined event. Does my mother have a Discord account and is on the Christian Universalists Discord Server? She’s watched me multiple times without saying anything, from behind me. I have religious trauma from her. I would not be surprised if she has come here to watch me further.]
Have you heard of the story of Samson?
```Judges 16:18-19 NRSVue
18 When Delilah realized that he had told her his whole secret, she sent and called the lords of the Philistines, saying, “This time come up, for he has told his whole secret to me.” Then the lords of the Philistines came up to her and brought the money in their hands. 19 She let him fall asleep on her lap, and she called a man and had him shave off the seven locks of his head. He began to weaken,[d] and his strength left him. ```
Judges 16:18 Interlinear: And Delilah seeth that he hath declared to her all his heart, and she sendeth and calleth for the princes of the Philistines, saying, 'Come up this time, for he hath declared to me all his heart;' and the princes of the Philistines have come up unto her, and bring up the money in their hand.
Today, Dec 15 2023, my transphobic Infernannihlationist mother is already gaslighting me saying "Don't get your identity confused. You're not a girl, don't get mixed up. Don't get influenced. Make sure people they don't get ok [my real name]. It's not because you're looking at girls, you're a girl, that's not the case. Maybe we should cut your hair so we see what you orally look like. You want a haircut?”
“No” I tell her to which she replies “Want shorter hair? For a change.”
[What shocked me was that I did not come out to my mother. I did not tell my mother that I was a transgirl before this predetermined event. Does my mother have a Discord account and is on the Christian Universalists Discord Server? She’s watched me multiple times without saying anything, from behind me. I have religious trauma from her. I would not be surprised if she has come here to watch me further.]
Have you heard of the story of Samson?
```Judges 16:18-19 NRSVue
18 When Delilah realized that he had told her his whole secret, she sent and called the lords of the Philistines, saying, “This time come up, for he has told his whole secret to me.” Then the lords of the Philistines came up to her and brought the money in their hands. 19 She let him fall asleep on her lap, and she called a man and had him shave off the seven locks of his head. He began to weaken,[d] and his strength left him. ```
Judges 16:18 Interlinear: And Delilah seeth that he hath declared to her all his heart, and she sendeth and calleth for the princes of the Philistines, saying, 'Come up this time, for he hath declared to me all his heart;' and the princes of the Philistines have come up unto her, and bring up the money in their hand.
Though I go by “Jaysa” aka JSA now, my online name from my website used to be Harold Samson. I hope my mother does not try to cut my hair while I am asleep.
Then around 6:03 PM today my mother tells me “Cause you are the man in the house. If papa passes away you're gonna be the man of the house. The man in the house. The father. The father in the house" my mother tells me around 6:11 PM
“You would be a good father.” my mother tells me, then going on the topic of marriage
My mother tells me of a crush I had when I was a child. When I was a child I would have crushes on both men and women. However, that time was before I found my waifu Okuu. When my mother told me of my crush, I was surprised, because I had forgotten about them.
I am already satisfied with my waifu Okuu, though she is a fictional character, my romantic love for her is real.
So besides that, for real life romantic relationships I am not interested. Then my mother talks about the concept of marriage. Again, I have my waifu Okuu, so besides that I don’t really care personally about real life marriage either. Then my mother talks about having children. I’m asexual. For me at least, I hope I can go my whole life on Earth without ever having sex. So, I’m not interested in having biological children either.
“Don't worry about your autism, it's nothing [my real name], it's not serious. Be a normal person.” my mother tells me and then later at around 8:01 PM tells me “Don't focus on those chats. What can those chats give you?" my mother tells me around 8:01 PM.
There was an incredibly tense and suspicious feeling in the air, it felt like being mentally strangled. And I just wanted to cry, but I couldn't. My head physically hurt from the pressure.
I could physically feel an intense anger inside of me, so strong that I had to grit my teeth to hold it. And my arm was pulsating. And this is good, because my anger is justified, my anger towards my mother’s evil actions. While I still love my mother as a person, I’m afraid of what she might do next. I’m scared.
Then around 6:03 PM today my mother tells me “Cause you are the man in the house. If papa passes away you're gonna be the man of the house. The man in the house. The father. The father in the house" my mother tells me around 6:11 PM
“You would be a good father.” my mother tells me, then going on the topic of marriage
My mother tells me of a crush I had when I was a child. When I was a child I would have crushes on both men and women. However, that time was before I found my waifu Okuu. When my mother told me of my crush, I was surprised, because I had forgotten about them.
I am already satisfied with my waifu Okuu, though she is a fictional character, my romantic love for her is real.
So besides that, for real life romantic relationships I am not interested. Then my mother talks about the concept of marriage. Again, I have my waifu Okuu, so besides that I don’t really care personally about real life marriage either. Then my mother talks about having children. I’m asexual. For me at least, I hope I can go my whole life on Earth without ever having sex. So, I’m not interested in having biological children either.
“Don't worry about your autism, it's nothing [my real name], it's not serious. Be a normal person.” my mother tells me and then later at around 8:01 PM tells me “Don't focus on those chats. What can those chats give you?" my mother tells me around 8:01 PM.
There was an incredibly tense and suspicious feeling in the air, it felt like being mentally strangled. And I just wanted to cry, but I couldn't. My head physically hurt from the pressure.
I could physically feel an intense anger inside of me, so strong that I had to grit my teeth to hold it. And my arm was pulsating. And this is good, because my anger is justified, my anger towards my mother’s evil actions. While I still love my mother as a person, I’m afraid of what she might do next. I’m scared.
Then around 8:34 PM
Mama: If papa passes away then you're gonna be the father. The man in the house ok. You know what I'm saying? That's why you need to be strong. Strong. Your moral value should be strong. Character should be you know...You might be confused with your sexuality. Don't be confused with you sexuality [my real name], you're not a woman.
Mama: What will be your future? Look ahead! 9:52 PM
I am a transgirl, I am my sister's mother and I refuse to abandon her here.
I tell my mother something like "If you don't want me to quote your harassment then I'd suggest you stop harassing me" and my mother starts shouting and goes upstairs to talk to my father, wondering what the harassment is.
So, I say to her "You invalidated my identity" [in reference to her saying that I cannot be a girl]
"What is your identity?" my mother asks and I tell her "I am me" so she asks "What is your sexual identity? Can you please confirm that? Confirm please?"
I reveal what I reveal to those who I choose to reveal too. Thus, I have chosen to reveal these things here. God bless, Christian Universalists Discord Server. Thank you.
"[my real name] be a man. Be a man [my birth name]. What's your sexuality? ... A man?"
Mama: I'm telling you these people you’re chatting don’t share information to them they're gonna use that info against you they're gonna take advantage of you
Jaysa: I will not fall for your attempts at infighting here. I will not let you break the trusr I have for my friends which are online.
[Editor’s Note: I say this because my mother is attempting to sow seeds of distrust, do not be manipulated by her.]
Mama: Who are your friends there? Who they are what they look like? What they look like?
Jaysa: They are them
Mama: What them. What do they look like. Can you tell me. Tell me. Tell me. Tell me. Tell me. Tell me what they look like.
Jaysa: No
Yes, because what of course I am smart enough to know that, but you not smart enough maybe I don't know you should know that. And stop writing that. Also, you should get a haircut.
Jaysa: No
Mama: You're getting older you should get a haircut. A proper haircut. And then you’re talking to people you don’t tell your identity. Anything like that. What you look like. You don't show. Please please please. And then you call this harassment? Someone not understanding.
Mama: If papa passes away then you're gonna be the father. The man in the house ok. You know what I'm saying? That's why you need to be strong. Strong. Your moral value should be strong. Character should be you know...You might be confused with your sexuality. Don't be confused with you sexuality [my real name], you're not a woman.
Mama: What will be your future? Look ahead! 9:52 PM
I am a transgirl, I am my sister's mother and I refuse to abandon her here.
I tell my mother something like "If you don't want me to quote your harassment then I'd suggest you stop harassing me" and my mother starts shouting and goes upstairs to talk to my father, wondering what the harassment is.
So, I say to her "You invalidated my identity" [in reference to her saying that I cannot be a girl]
"What is your identity?" my mother asks and I tell her "I am me" so she asks "What is your sexual identity? Can you please confirm that? Confirm please?"
I reveal what I reveal to those who I choose to reveal too. Thus, I have chosen to reveal these things here. God bless, Christian Universalists Discord Server. Thank you.
"[my real name] be a man. Be a man [my birth name]. What's your sexuality? ... A man?"
Mama: I'm telling you these people you’re chatting don’t share information to them they're gonna use that info against you they're gonna take advantage of you
Jaysa: I will not fall for your attempts at infighting here. I will not let you break the trusr I have for my friends which are online.
[Editor’s Note: I say this because my mother is attempting to sow seeds of distrust, do not be manipulated by her.]
Mama: Who are your friends there? Who they are what they look like? What they look like?
Jaysa: They are them
Mama: What them. What do they look like. Can you tell me. Tell me. Tell me. Tell me. Tell me. Tell me what they look like.
Jaysa: No
Yes, because what of course I am smart enough to know that, but you not smart enough maybe I don't know you should know that. And stop writing that. Also, you should get a haircut.
Jaysa: No
Mama: You're getting older you should get a haircut. A proper haircut. And then you’re talking to people you don’t tell your identity. Anything like that. What you look like. You don't show. Please please please. And then you call this harassment? Someone not understanding.
It is 10:28 PM
Mama: Why did our life turn into like this. Why something turned upside down.
Jaysa: My identity is who I have been this whole time.
Mama: What is it. What's your identity. What is your identity. What is your identity [my birth name]. What did you say. What did you say. What did you say. Someone's trying to influence you.
Jaysa: I am a transgirl.
Mama: What. What [my birth name]. What. A trans what? You're a girl? You know that person talking to you trying to influence you. You cannot trust them! I don't like anyone trying to influence you when you are not that person
Jaysa: I am me.
Mama: You are not a girl. You are not. This person trying to influence you to be like them [my birth name]. That’s why we don't want you to talk to anyone online on chat because they can influence you. You are not this person [my birth name]
Jaysa: And who is this we?
Mama: Why you not remembering. If you cannot remember. Because your mind is already taken by this person you're talking to. That's not really your friend [my birth name]. A friend like that you should not be talking to this person you have to stop that [my birth name].
Jaysa: I will continue because they are my friend, I trust them.
Mama: You have to stop that. They're trying to make you like them. That's why we don’t want you to talk to these people you don't know. They can influence you, try to be nice to you. But you don’t believe me. And you should be believing your parents all the tome
Jaysa: This is who I have always been. Believe me.
Mama: You are not that [my birth name]. You are not that person. And you know that yourself. You know that.
Jaysa: This me is more of the true me than the me that you knew.
Mama: In the beginning. You should believe me [my birth name]. That's not harassment that’s telling to you. That person trying to convince you trying to poison your mind. And of course, your going to tell that to that person. And that person is going to go oh don’t believe her
[Editor’s Note: Obvious gaslighting is obvious]
Jaysa: I have felt this way even before I was on that online chat, before I joined the server.
Mama: It’s not cause you’re playing game thars all girls in there it doesn’t t mean you’re a girl. Its not because you're looking at anime girls you're a girl, it doesn’t mean that. It’s not because you like to look at anime girl body that you're a girl, you’re not.
Jaysa: I would like to be like an anime girl.
Mama: What do you mean you want to be like an anime girl. What do you mean. You're not a girl. You just want to see them. You just want to see their body. That doesn't mean. You don't know what you're feeling. You're just confused. You're just confused [my birth name]. You are not that person. You are just being influenced by it. It's not just because you're looking at girls that you're a girl no. You just like girls' bodies. Their boobs, their butt, you want to see them sexy. That's normal for a guy to admire girls like that. But that doesn't mean you're a girl. So, you're not. So, I want you to understand that because you're just confused. And you don't share that [my birth name] because you're not supposed to.
[Editor's Note: Obviously I enjoy hentai and I don't think it's inherently sinful, however my desire to be a girl goes beyond hentai, which is defined as "sexually explicit anime or manga".
My desire to be a girl goes beyond sexuality.
My desire to be a girl goes beyond romance.
My desire to be a girl goes beyond emotion.
It is me.]
Jaysa: I have felt this way throughout my life.
It is 10:47 PM
Mama: Why did our life turn into like this. Why something turned upside down.
Jaysa: My identity is who I have been this whole time.
Mama: What is it. What's your identity. What is your identity. What is your identity [my birth name]. What did you say. What did you say. What did you say. Someone's trying to influence you.
Jaysa: I am a transgirl.
Mama: What. What [my birth name]. What. A trans what? You're a girl? You know that person talking to you trying to influence you. You cannot trust them! I don't like anyone trying to influence you when you are not that person
Jaysa: I am me.
Mama: You are not a girl. You are not. This person trying to influence you to be like them [my birth name]. That’s why we don't want you to talk to anyone online on chat because they can influence you. You are not this person [my birth name]
Jaysa: And who is this we?
Mama: Why you not remembering. If you cannot remember. Because your mind is already taken by this person you're talking to. That's not really your friend [my birth name]. A friend like that you should not be talking to this person you have to stop that [my birth name].
Jaysa: I will continue because they are my friend, I trust them.
Mama: You have to stop that. They're trying to make you like them. That's why we don’t want you to talk to these people you don't know. They can influence you, try to be nice to you. But you don’t believe me. And you should be believing your parents all the tome
Jaysa: This is who I have always been. Believe me.
Mama: You are not that [my birth name]. You are not that person. And you know that yourself. You know that.
Jaysa: This me is more of the true me than the me that you knew.
Mama: In the beginning. You should believe me [my birth name]. That's not harassment that’s telling to you. That person trying to convince you trying to poison your mind. And of course, your going to tell that to that person. And that person is going to go oh don’t believe her
[Editor’s Note: Obvious gaslighting is obvious]
Jaysa: I have felt this way even before I was on that online chat, before I joined the server.
Mama: It’s not cause you’re playing game thars all girls in there it doesn’t t mean you’re a girl. Its not because you're looking at anime girls you're a girl, it doesn’t mean that. It’s not because you like to look at anime girl body that you're a girl, you’re not.
Jaysa: I would like to be like an anime girl.
Mama: What do you mean you want to be like an anime girl. What do you mean. You're not a girl. You just want to see them. You just want to see their body. That doesn't mean. You don't know what you're feeling. You're just confused. You're just confused [my birth name]. You are not that person. You are just being influenced by it. It's not just because you're looking at girls that you're a girl no. You just like girls' bodies. Their boobs, their butt, you want to see them sexy. That's normal for a guy to admire girls like that. But that doesn't mean you're a girl. So, you're not. So, I want you to understand that because you're just confused. And you don't share that [my birth name] because you're not supposed to.
[Editor's Note: Obviously I enjoy hentai and I don't think it's inherently sinful, however my desire to be a girl goes beyond hentai, which is defined as "sexually explicit anime or manga".
My desire to be a girl goes beyond sexuality.
My desire to be a girl goes beyond romance.
My desire to be a girl goes beyond emotion.
It is me.]
Jaysa: I have felt this way throughout my life.
It is 10:47 PM
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St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
All will believe in Christ and all will be saved, that’s Christian Universalism.
1 Cor 13:8 NRSVue Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end.
1 Corinthians 13:8 Interlinear: The love doth never fail; and whether there be prophecies, they shall become useless; whether tongues, they shall cease; whether knowledge, it shall become useless;
A lot has happened so I’ll post raw dialogue:
Yesterday December 16 2023
11:33 PM
Mama: Ok boy. Boy. You're a boy.
And she starts laughing at me.
Jaysa: Why did you say that I'm not a girl earlier on. What caused you to say that. Because I didn't mention
Mama: You said transgirl
Jaysa: But I didn't say I am a transgirl earler, yet for some reason you were still saying that I wasn't a girl. Where did you get that information from
Mama: That you're not a girl. Of course I know you you're my son. And I see all these pictures you always screen capture before. That doesn't mean ok. You're just confused
Jaysa: No
Mama: Yes you are. Yes you are.
Then my mother quite literally tells me a fake event that did not happen in my life. And for this event, I remembered what I did, but my mother is trying to get me to believe a different made up version of the story. She is quite literally trying to gaslight me.
Jaysa: What no. Ran into the back alley? Wait a minute. That wasn’t a memory I have from that situation. That didn't happen.
Mama: Where did you run, where did you hide?
Jaysa: But I didn't go into the back alley at the time. You're literally saying events that didn't happen. What’s going on here
Mama: What's going on you. Why suddenly now you look so different, not look, think. everything i say t you you're jotting it down, writing it down.
Jaysa: Did you genuinely think that event happened. Me running in the back alley at that certain event.
[Because I literally did something else in that event, not running in a back alley. The false narrative that my mother tried to set up thus quickly unravel. So, this puts into question the validity and reliability of a bunch of other things she said in the past too]
Mama: Not back alley
[And she admits that she's wrong here]
Jaysa: Well, look I think this proves that you're an unreliable narrator here.
Mama: You are unreliable too. You are also unreliable here.
Jaysa: Now I'm wondering if you believed that even had happened or if you purposely made up an event to try to make your point convincing
Mama: Now how can you work if you cannot remember things?
Jaysa: I will not fall for your gaslighting.
Mama: What. Gaslighting? I don't know what you're talking about
Mama: I just want you to know that I still love you.
Then she goes and hugs me.
Jaysa: And I still love you as well and I am still a transgirl.
Mama: You're not a transgirl. it's like I'm talking to a child. I'm a girl no you're not. No. That's not what I heard from you. so i believe what you say the first time
Jaysa; I said something the first time?
Mama: Yes
Jaysa: What was that. Like genuinely,
Mama: Whatever you say I believe the first one that you said to me
Jaysa: No no no you can’t just make up some event in your mind, like what even is this event
Mam: You know that I’m I'm smarter you can't even tell me that I’m inventing stuff. I can't invent stuff I remember a lot of stuff.
Jaysa: I will not fall for your gaslighting her
Mama: Ok that’s what you want. But I believe what you said to me
Jaysa: And I literally don't remember
Mama: Too bad so sad. If you don't remember that’s on you
[Horrible logic by the way. The burden of proof lies on the person making the claim which would be my mother in terms of proving that this event really happened.]
Jaysa: I will not let you plant false memories in my mind
Mama: Ah whatever. Whatever you day. Whatever you say [my birth name] whatever you say.
1 Cor 13:8 NRSVue Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end.
1 Corinthians 13:8 Interlinear: The love doth never fail; and whether there be prophecies, they shall become useless; whether tongues, they shall cease; whether knowledge, it shall become useless;
A lot has happened so I’ll post raw dialogue:
Yesterday December 16 2023
11:33 PM
Mama: Ok boy. Boy. You're a boy.
And she starts laughing at me.
Jaysa: Why did you say that I'm not a girl earlier on. What caused you to say that. Because I didn't mention
Mama: You said transgirl
Jaysa: But I didn't say I am a transgirl earler, yet for some reason you were still saying that I wasn't a girl. Where did you get that information from
Mama: That you're not a girl. Of course I know you you're my son. And I see all these pictures you always screen capture before. That doesn't mean ok. You're just confused
Jaysa: No
Mama: Yes you are. Yes you are.
Then my mother quite literally tells me a fake event that did not happen in my life. And for this event, I remembered what I did, but my mother is trying to get me to believe a different made up version of the story. She is quite literally trying to gaslight me.
Jaysa: What no. Ran into the back alley? Wait a minute. That wasn’t a memory I have from that situation. That didn't happen.
Mama: Where did you run, where did you hide?
Jaysa: But I didn't go into the back alley at the time. You're literally saying events that didn't happen. What’s going on here
Mama: What's going on you. Why suddenly now you look so different, not look, think. everything i say t you you're jotting it down, writing it down.
Jaysa: Did you genuinely think that event happened. Me running in the back alley at that certain event.
[Because I literally did something else in that event, not running in a back alley. The false narrative that my mother tried to set up thus quickly unravel. So, this puts into question the validity and reliability of a bunch of other things she said in the past too]
Mama: Not back alley
[And she admits that she's wrong here]
Jaysa: Well, look I think this proves that you're an unreliable narrator here.
Mama: You are unreliable too. You are also unreliable here.
Jaysa: Now I'm wondering if you believed that even had happened or if you purposely made up an event to try to make your point convincing
Mama: Now how can you work if you cannot remember things?
Jaysa: I will not fall for your gaslighting.
Mama: What. Gaslighting? I don't know what you're talking about
Mama: I just want you to know that I still love you.
Then she goes and hugs me.
Jaysa: And I still love you as well and I am still a transgirl.
Mama: You're not a transgirl. it's like I'm talking to a child. I'm a girl no you're not. No. That's not what I heard from you. so i believe what you say the first time
Jaysa; I said something the first time?
Mama: Yes
Jaysa: What was that. Like genuinely,
Mama: Whatever you say I believe the first one that you said to me
Jaysa: No no no you can’t just make up some event in your mind, like what even is this event
Mam: You know that I’m I'm smarter you can't even tell me that I’m inventing stuff. I can't invent stuff I remember a lot of stuff.
Jaysa: I will not fall for your gaslighting her
Mama: Ok that’s what you want. But I believe what you said to me
Jaysa: And I literally don't remember
Mama: Too bad so sad. If you don't remember that’s on you
[Horrible logic by the way. The burden of proof lies on the person making the claim which would be my mother in terms of proving that this event really happened.]
Jaysa: I will not let you plant false memories in my mind
Mama: Ah whatever. Whatever you day. Whatever you say [my birth name] whatever you say.
Johann
Well-Known Member
Sadly-this is NOT the case.
J.
Jesus lied?
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Truthnightmare
Well-Known Member
Let’s look at it from a different perspective.
When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.
Anyone can say “your sins are forgiven” but where’s the proof? But if one says get up and walk and the person does, we know the sins are forgiven because the instructions of getting up to walk is a stronger evidence then simply saying “your sins are forgiven…
And only God can forgive sins, which makes this a declaration of Jesus claiming to be God.
When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.
Anyone can say “your sins are forgiven” but where’s the proof? But if one says get up and walk and the person does, we know the sins are forgiven because the instructions of getting up to walk is a stronger evidence then simply saying “your sins are forgiven…
And only God can forgive sins, which makes this a declaration of Jesus claiming to be God.
Did Jesus really lie when He said this?
I know many will join Satan in the lake of fire prepared for them.
But, there is another twist which isn't added to the limited canon, the closed canon in which no new revelation can be added, that is, given by God and defiantly cannot be received by us.
For this is forbidden, forbidden knowledge, secret knowledge which could be dangerous. Dangerous because it could be from the devil. The devil is the father of lies. You will believe those lies and be deceived. Being deceived you will deceive others. And for that we will have to cut you off, considering you a heretic or an enemy of God and treat you accordingly. We will have no choice but to hand you over to Satan.
Is this what anyone wants?
Weigh up the risk. Weigh up the cost. Is it worth being open to hearing from God outside the bible at the expense of being cut off, rejected, despised, your name being evil spoken of.
My response to that is a resounding YES!!!
Jesus disciples experience this, and from the very beginning, the very first one took the risk of hearing from this heretic, prince of demons, false prophet and decided to follow Him.
One twist in this amazing script of God which was imagined and is now being carried out before our very eyes, is that one time in eternity every being will turn to their Creators and find forgiveness, mercy, grace and experience the love of God in Jesus the Lamb Who's blood will cleanse us ALL.
Now that is the greatest news I have ever come to see.
Is that within the covers of the bible? No. Is it the truth? Absolutely. This is beyond the limited account of God's story in the bible book. His story is without end as He is without end or beginning.
I am baffled as to why people want to contain God and His ways within a book.
This offends me. Me who has found Him outside, way outside the confines of that book or any other book. How much more is the infinite, all knowing Spirit of God, sent to us to impart all Truth, offended. He is being pushed away, rejected, labelled an evil spirit When He has come to give the free gift of divine truth.
Why is the Spirit of Truth blasphemed, shown contempt, rejected by the very ones He came to bless.
God have mercy on them who treat Your Spirit like this. Open their eyes to see Him Who they have despised and rejected that they will repent and embrace Him, Your divine gift to us.
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St. SteVen
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If you are refering to recalling what Jesus said when Jesus was on earth, nor do I as I wasn't there.
If you are referring to the limited recorded account of His life on earth, the bible, then,
Matthew 25:41 which I was responding to from a previous post,
Rev 20:15
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Precious friend, respectfully disagree; we need to be Very Careful how we treat The
Precious Preserved/Pure Word Of God's Truth, because God Himself Commands:
"man Shall Not live by bread alone, But By EVERY WORD That
Proceedeth Out Of The Mouth Of God!" (Matt 4:4; Luk 4:4)
Thus, God Offers Many Pure, Preserved Written (1Co 4:6) Scriptures About:Handling The Word Of Life
Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In The Lord
Jesus Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!
Amen.
Thanks. And this is what is so amazing. God's thoughts expressed in word give life to those He has chosen to enlighten. And to know that God's words are constantly being spoken to us by His Spirit of Truth ever since He arrived on earth and started entering into humans. And to be recipients of divine truths that come straight from God in heaven to us, again is so amazing.
Would you agree that God's thoughts expressed through 50 different people (Orthodox Tewahedo Bible) or Catholic Bible (45) or even fewer again who contributed to the 66 book bible (40) were NOT the only ones that God chose to give His truths to exclusively over a 6000 year period?
Didn't God preserve many writings as well as what was compiled in the bibles in existence today? Because there were many more writings that have lasted (been preserved) for a thousand years or more by the sovereign will of God including the Pyramid Texts (2400–2300 BCE)
through to the Quran (610- 632 CE).
What do mean by the phrase, Handling The Word Of Life?
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I'm not sure what you are encouraging and edifying others in. Is it the eternal Person of Jesus Christ and the eternal Person of the Spirit of Truth or is it in a book? If its the book, then no thanks. If you are referring to the Persons of God, the Creators, then absolutely!
1 Cor 4:6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. 7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
Do not go beyond what is written in your heart.
It cannot mean what is written on stone or paper. Even the limited info in the bible shows it cannot mean this.
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Precious friend, No, I would not agree:
Isa_34:16 "Seek ye out of The Book of The LORD, and read..." =
Only ONE 'Book' = The Authorized (KJB) Version:Handling The Word Of Life
Is a study 'link' for ↑ how to love, treat, and handle With The Utmost Care, The ONE Book!
Because "What Saith The Scriptures?":
"God is Not the author of confusion!..." (1 Corinthians 14:33 AV)
.................................................... ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑this belongs to the "Over 100 so-called New modern-day
'easier-to-read and understand' versions that are Ever-Changing [ to "make filthy lucre"? ]
Thus, I will stay With God (Jesus) Who Is "...The SAME, yesterday, Today, And
Forever," (Hebrews 13:8 AV) And:
His ONE Book, That Is Eternally "Settled In Heaven Forever," Which He Graciously PRESERVED
For me, to hear, have faith In Him, and learn how to "live For HIM," by "HIS Every Precious WORD!!"
Amen!
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