Not the Christ of scripture, If the True Christ has died for one they are saved and converted by Him, the christ you are witnessing of is a false christ that cannot save a sinner
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The christ that died for everyone is a false christ, the True Christ died only for His Sheep and saved them from their sins.
Eternally Grateful
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Well yeah
But I still do not give men credit.
God wrote the bible. God said his word would be preserved. I do praise men for Keeping Gods word pure. I praise God.
Eternally Grateful
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Your wrong
He died for everyone
Whoever believes is not condemned
Whoever does not believe is condemned already, because they have not believed
Hell is filled with non believers..Because they did not believe, not because they sinned
And hence we have the error of calvanism (fatalism)
Jesus said he died for THE WORLD (everyone) so that WHOEVER (in that world) Believes will not perish, but live forever.
He also used moses and the serpent as the example. Moses lifted the serpent so that EVERYONE could be saved. But only those who BELIEVED (looked) were saved.
The ones who did not believe were condemned to death by the poison in their bodies as being bitten by snakes..
That serpent on the pole COULD have saved them also. But they did not believe.
John 3 is easy to understand, Sadly people can;t get away from their doctrines to let the word speak to them.
I am well up on the teachings of today's Calvinists and Reform Theologists on salvation.
To understand your misguided interpretation of John 3:16 we have to change the meaning of the word "whosoever" to something that agrees with your misguided understanding of Bible doctrines and its interpretations.
There is nothing about the word "whosoever" that projects your interpretation of John 3:16. It makes perfect sense as it stands. It just messes up your soteriology completely to leave as it is.
Who do I think His people are? It think John 3:16 and so many others tell us who his people are. John 3:16 says they are whosoever believes in Jesus Christ.
The real question here is. "Who do you think the elect are?" Again, the elect are whosoever believes in Jesus Christ.
You are correct that "in these forums that many professing Christians do not know nor understand Bible doctrines and it's interpretations". You are one of those.
Who are the elect of God?
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Simply put, the “elect of God” are those whom God has predestined to salvation. They are called the “elect” because that word denotes “determining beforehand,” “ordaining,” “deciding ahead of time.” Every four years in the U.S., we “elect” a President—i.e., we choose who will serve in that office. The same goes for God and those who will be saved; God chooses those who will be saved. These are the elect of God.
As it stands, the concept of God electing those who will be saved (predestination) isn’t controversial. It is a biblical truth (John 6:44, Romans 8:28-30, Ephesians 1:4-5). What is controversial is how and in what manner God chooses those who will be saved. Throughout church history, there have been two main views on the doctrine of election. One view, which we will call the prescient or foreknowledge view, teaches that God, through His omniscience, knows those who will in the course of time choose of their own free will to place their faith and trust in Jesus Christ for their salvation. On the basis of this divine foreknowledge, God elects these individuals “before the foundation of the world” (Ephesians 1:4).
Of course it is. If you think it isn't, then you are not well-read in theology at all. The Calvinist/Reformed Theologist view of God's election is in direct conflict with nearly every other view in Christendom.
Eternally Grateful
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No they are not.
You can say it a million times, it is not true
They are condemned because of unbelief. period.
Eternally Grateful
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Wrong on so many levels
God is a God of love. The god you worship is not a god of Love..
Im afraid the christ you believe in is a false christ, not the Jesus that shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21
That is just wrong. You would blame condemnation those people on Jesus. Their condemnation has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus. You are wrong. People are condemned because they sin.
That is an absolutely sick view of God and Jesus. You blame God for the sins of mankind.
No its correct, all the elect who Christ died for are Justified, never condemned.
Why you think they are believing ? Its because God so loved them and gave Christ for them and then gives them the Gift of Believing on Him.
Eternally Grateful
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Thats not what the word says
John 3: but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
2 Thessalonians 2:12
that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Why do you want to make Jesus a liar?
Eternally Grateful
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He did save his people from there sins.
And you are bearing false witness. are you a false teacher that needs to resort to untruths?
Eternally Grateful
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Sorry bud
they are justified by faith..
without faith in Jesus no one is justified
but as many as have received him, to THEM he gave the right to become children of God.
fail to receive him, You condemn yourself.
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