Unity of the faith - at what cost?

[face2face]

and what do whores riding beasts do? they sell their services for political gain!....and so we have the unholy trinity; the dragon, the beast and the whore ....which is also referenced as the false prophet

So not a trinity then! It's incredible the length some will go to apply knowledgeable.

 

[quietthinker]

So not a trinity then! It's incredible the length some will go to apply knowledgeable.

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[face2face]

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should read "appear" knowledgeable.

Do you know what those symbols mean?

Dragon -
Beast -
Whore -
False Prophet -

Start with the whore as she is the easiest - also include her daughters!

F2F

 

[quietthinker]

should read "appear" knowledgeable.

Do you know what those symbols mean?

Dragon -
Beast -
Whore -
False Prophet -

Start with the whore as she is the easiest - also include her daughters!

F2F

Oh dear, F2F.....you assume the role of teacher as if you know and others don't, in this case me. You speak condescendingly and are oblivious to it. Why would I even engage when this attitude permeates your approach and displayed with such confidence?

 

[face2face]

Oh dear, F2F.....you assume the role of teacher as if you know and others don't, in this case me. You speak condescendingly and are oblivious to it. Why would I even engage when this attitude permeates your approach and displayed with such confidence?

It was a credit check! Your "unholy trinity" comment didn't sit well for a number of reasons. Not sure why you went down the whole teacher route! If you don't know or reluctant to answer no-one is going to force you lol.

 

[St. SteVen]

Oh dear, F2F.....you assume the role of teacher as if you know and others don't, in this case me. You speak condescendingly and are oblivious to it. Why would I even engage when this attitude permeates your approach and displayed with such confidence?

Exactly!
Spot on, my friend. Well said.

 

[MatthewG]

I guess your life on a cross. To seek unity wuth any person. Individually who comes to ge your neighbor in agape love? Most christians believe in the dbr. Some people need encouragement. Some will hate you. Some will be fond of you. Some will reject you. Prayer and non-hatred towards them could change them around or/and you may never see them again. Love is the most important; sharing and doing good are things thst pleases God, without faith its impossible to please him.

 

[St. SteVen]

From the OP.

The call for doctrinal unity has gone out across the centuries.
Are we there yet? (not by a long shot)

Where is the problem?
Perhaps it is in the assumption that the unity of the faith is doctrinal unity.

- Can there be unity of the faith that overlooks doctrinal differences?
- Does the Body of Christ have room for differing views on doctrine?
- What would the church look like if we didn't label differing views as BAD or FALSE doctrines?
- Is a differing view unbiblical simply because it doesn't agree with our own biblical position?
- Can two opposing views BOTH be biblical, if there is biblical evidence to support each view is given?

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[Gottservant]

In response to the OP (again):

Interestingly, I cultivated a division of my own, for Christianity and I wondered what the value of it was to the Lord - so I asked!

The Lord basically said to me "What do you do?" that is, what do I do in the name of the division I have created.

I think it comes down to what He said "If you know what to do, blessed are you if you do it" (Gospels, from memory) - people need to identify, but more than that, they need to be clothed, fed and nurtured!

 

[David in NJ]

From the OP.

The call for doctrinal unity has gone out across the centuries.
Are we there yet? (not by a long shot)

Where is the problem?
Perhaps it is in the assumption that the unity of the faith is doctrinal unity.

- Can there be unity of the faith that overlooks doctrinal differences?
- Does the Body of Christ have room for differing views on doctrine?
- What would the church look like if we didn't label differing views as BAD or FALSE doctrines?
- Is a differing view unbiblical simply because it doesn't agree with our own biblical position?
- Can two opposing views BOTH be biblical, if there is biblical evidence to support each view is given?

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TRUE Doctrine is ESSENTIAL for Salvation

And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

The Path to Doctrinal Unity is submitting oneself to Christ, without changing His words = Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[St. SteVen]

In response to the OP (again):

Interestingly, I cultivated a division of my own, for Christianity and I wondered what the value of it was to the Lord - so I asked!

The Lord basically said to me "What do you do?" that is, what do I do in the name of the division I have created.

I think it comes down to what He said "If you know what to do, blessed are you if you do it" (Gospels, from memory) - people need to identify, but more than that, they need to be clothed, fed and nurtured!

Good points.
Divisions aren't bad. God does these things to create specialties in the church.

God bless.

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[amigo de christo]

From the OP.

The call for doctrinal unity has gone out across the centuries.
Are we there yet? (not by a long shot)

Where is the problem?
Perhaps it is in the assumption that the unity of the faith is doctrinal unity.

- Can there be unity of the faith that overlooks doctrinal differences?
- Does the Body of Christ have room for differing views on doctrine?
- What would the church look like if we didn't label differing views as BAD or FALSE doctrines?
- Is a differing view unbiblical simply because it doesn't agree with our own biblical position?
- Can two opposing views BOTH be biblical, if there is biblical evidence to support each view is given?

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NO that is not the problem . even paul spoke of marking those who caused offences CONTRARY to the DOCTRINE
they had learned . The problem is not assuming that unity of the faith is doctrinal unity .
LEST YE SPEAK OF MENS own doctrines which THEY ADDED errenously . THAT doctrine WONT be heeded by this lamb .
And beware lest that come upon you which has come upon many
wherein its all about a sensual love which gathers all and OMITS TRUE DOCTRINE for sake of this fake sorry unity .
UNITY UNDER CHRIST is what the lambs shall do . Unity under and by means of interfaith , NO LAMB gonna partake of that junkpile lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

TRUE Doctrine is ESSENTIAL for Salvation

And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

The Path to Doctrinal Unity is submitting oneself to Christ, without changing His words = Proverbs 30:5-6

Yes indeed my friend . any unity that omits the pure doctrine of Christ , IS NO UNITY i want any part of at all .
YET its the unity we see today that most embrace . THEY trod HIM under foot
to attain a unity they all believe will usher in world peace n safety . ONLY i must remind us
the devil is a liar and knows how to make his cause for their so called unity seem to be for the good of man
WHEN actually ITS ONLY gonna lead them to SUDDEN DESTRUCTION on the DAY of the LORD
whom they DENIED to attain this false unity . satan is a liar . OH he sure makes it seem
as though he is for man and his ways are for the good of man , BUT HE IS A LIAR .
and the flesh of man , the carnal mind of man sure seems to love a lie . But , JESUS HAS THE SHEEP
and they wont be heeding the voice of the stranger . JESUS keeps HIS SHEEP and unto HE do they heed and follow
True lambs LOVE the PURE and HOLY DOCTRINE of the LORD . THEY know that every word of GOD be true
that GOD be TRUE . They let GOD be true but every man a liar . By grace they know and do learn well
THAT NO LIE is of the truth . We got a major battle wherein a massive delusion has arisen
to take captive the hearts and minds of all who rejected THE CHRIST . and david
its gathering many right to the lie of anti christ and HIS HARLOT who has sold her cup of fornication unto the world .

 

[Marvelloustime]

NO that is not the problem . even paul spoke of marking those who caused offences CONTRARY to the DOCTRINE
they had learned . The problem is not assuming that unity of the faith is doctrinal unity .
LEST YE SPEAK OF MENS own doctrines which THEY ADDED errenously . THAT doctrine WONT be heeded by this lamb .
And beware lest that come upon you which has come upon many
wherein its all about a sensual love which gathers all and OMITS TRUE DOCTRINE for sake of this fake sorry unity .
UNITY UNDER CHRIST is what the lambs shall do . Unity under and by means of interfaith , NO LAMB gonna partake of that junkpile lie .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

TRUE Doctrine is ESSENTIAL for Salvation

And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

The Path to Doctrinal Unity is submitting oneself to Christ, without changing His words = Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yes indeed my friend . any unity that omits the pure doctrine of Christ , IS NO UNITY i want any part of at all .
YET its the unity we see today that most embrace . THEY trod HIM under foot
to attain a unity they all believe will usher in world peace n safety . ONLY i must remind us
the devil is a liar and knows how to make his cause for their so called unity seem to be for the good of man
WHEN actually ITS ONLY gonna lead them to SUDDEN DESTRUCTION on the DAY of the LORD
whom they DENIED to attain this false unity . satan is a liar . OH he sure makes it seem
as though he is for man and his ways are for the good of man , BUT HE IS A LIAR .
and the flesh of man , the carnal mind of man sure seems to love a lie . But , JESUS HAS THE SHEEP
and they wont be heeding the voice of the stranger . JESUS keeps HIS SHEEP and unto HE do they heed and follow
True lambs LOVE the PURE and HOLY DOCTRINE of the LORD . THEY know that every word of GOD be true
that GOD be TRUE . They let GOD be true but every man a liar . By grace they know and do learn well
THAT NO LIE is of the truth . We got a major battle wherein a massive delusion has arisen
to take captive the hearts and minds of all who rejected THE CHRIST . and david
its gathering many right to the lie of anti christ and HIS HARLOT who has sold her cup of fornication unto the world .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

From the OP.

The call for doctrinal unity has gone out across the centuries.
Are we there yet? (not by a long shot)

Where is the problem?
Perhaps it is in the assumption that the unity of the faith is doctrinal unity.

- Can there be unity of the faith that overlooks doctrinal differences?
- Does the Body of Christ have room for differing views on doctrine?
- What would the church look like if we didn't label differing views as BAD or FALSE doctrines?
- Is a differing view unbiblical simply because it doesn't agree with our own biblical position?
- Can two opposing views BOTH be biblical, if there is biblical evidence to support each view is given?

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take heed that says to save those WHO BELIEVE . might wanna tell that to pope francis and his interfaith men .
cause all other religoins DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST and yet the HARLOT
wants us all to come together . You , whether knowingly or unknowingly are serving the agenda
of men gone wrong and doing all to lead the people to the WRONG unity friend .
Confusion is of darkness . I have watched these leaders decieve this people for years .
ANd both sides have no idea that they both are being decieved by the same GOAL and agenda
in different ways . Bess we all return to the bible for ourselves to learn and to grow .

 

[Behold]

Where is the problem?
Perhaps it is in the assumption that the unity of the faith is doctrinal unity.

You are confusing heresy... such as Calvinism, and Universalism, and Mormonism, and JW....

See those?
Those are not "doctrines'". those are HERESIES... and when those are treated as if they are CHRISTIANITY, then those who believe this, are deceived.
So, its not a "doctrine" problem, its a Deception problem, whereby false theology has captured billions, since the Cross was raised.

 

[St. SteVen]

Those are not "doctrines'". those are HERESIES...

Was Jesus Heretical? - Why did they crucify Him?

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[Behold]

Was Jesus Heretical? - Why did they crucify Him?

Because they ENVIED Him....and Because Jesus said...>> "You are of YOUR FATHER the DEVIL".

And also because Jesus stated that He is Equal to God.......>"Before Abraham was, I AM"

"I AM" is the Name God gave to Moses, when Moses asked Him...>>"what is your name"..

So, these religious prided filled Pharisees, heard Jesus say.........>"I AM" regarding Himself.

So, ALL of of that, and more, is why they wanted Him Dead.