Babylon

[Jay Ross]

I'll look at that, it may be a different beast. But I know what beasts of Revelation are.

The beast in Daniel 7:19ff is, by the description, the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 acting in unison as just one beast.

At the present time there are four wicked heavenly host beasts plus the Little Horn who is also a wicked fallen heavenly host as well.

These five beasts will be judged in around 20 years' time at the beginning of the Seventh Age and they with the judged kings of the earth will be gathered together and imprisoned for many days, namely 1,000 years, to await the time of their punishment.

After the Bottomless Pit is unlocked, after the 1,000 years of their imprisonment, they will roam the face of the earth for around 24 years and at the end of this time period, the beast, the false prophet and Satan will be captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire.

After Satan is dispatched into the lake of Fire, I believe that Jesus will be seen returning on the clouds to begin judging the righteousness of all of humanity from Adam who have and will be born right up and until the end of the seventh age.

Those who are judged to be unrighteous, will be dispatched into the lake of fire, while those who are judged to be righteous will receive their inheritance of the whole earth and gain everlasting life.

During the 1,000 years that the judged heavenly hosts are in the Bottomless Pit there will be a great harvest of Soul into the Kingdom of God.

The workers for the great harvest will be drawn from both the Israelites and Christ's disciples working together to show God's Glory to all.

This is how I understand the Seventh age will unfold.

Shalom

 

[Earburner]

I'll just believe what the Holy Spirit says. Revelation is a prophetic dream that does conform with scripture however, to John, these were past, present and future events. Daniel saw future events that conform to Revelation. Without having prophetic dreams, it is hard to understand that somethings are discerned only by the revealing of the Holy Spirit. There is no way to decipher the symbols without the knowledge of the Holy Spirit. We are in the end days, and the Holy Spirit is revealing things now that in the past were not revealed.

"We are in the end days, and the Holy Spirit is revealing things now that in the past were not revealed."
I strongly agree!
My post #657 may be just that, a better understanding of how to view the 4th beast of Daniel (Roman Emp.) in its continual evolution until Jesus returns in all His Glory.

 

[Marilyn C]

"We are in the end days, and the Holy Spirit is revealing things now that in the past were not revealed."
I strongly agree!
My post #657 may be just that, a better understanding of how to view the 4th beast of Daniel (Roman Emp.) in its continual evolution until Jesus returns in all His Glory.

There will be no Roman Empire revived. God has judged it. It is finished. The EU is being taken over by Muslims as is the UK. In Texas, (USA) they are building a complete city. And they already have a `little Palestine` town under their authority.

 

[Rockerduck]

There will be no Roman Empire revived. God has judged it. It is finished. The EU is being taken over by Muslims as is the UK. In Texas, (USA) they are building a complete city. And they already have a `little Palestine` town under their authority.

The EU is the revived roman empire complete with coins depicting it. In Texas, the AG stopped that city from being built and told them sharia law is against the Federal Law. Where is the "little Palestine" at? Texans will not have it.

 

[Marilyn C]

The EU is the revived roman empire complete with coins depicting it. In Texas, the AG stopped that city from being built and told them sharia law is against the Federal Law. Where is the "little Palestine" at? Texans will not have it.

New Jersey`s First Islamic City.

The birth-rate of the Europeans in the EU is not keeping up with their replacement. However, Muslims are multiplying at a great rate. They will take over eventually.

 

[Rockerduck]

New Jersey`s First Islamic City.

The birth-rate of the Europeans in the EU is not keeping up with their replacement. However, Muslims are multiplying at a great rate. They will take over eventually.

New Jersey cannot be called Islamic because under Federal law they can't, nor can they make their own law.
And you know there is a backlash going on in the EU to fight against immigration because the crime rate went up.

 

[Triumph1300]

Muslims are not using guns to take over a country.
Seems to me they take over a country by making babies.

Crime is on the rise because young muslims are not given jobs because of lack of education and racism plays a roll as well.

Mass immigration is at an all time high in European countries.
It's causing massive problems.

 

[ewq1938]

The first beast coming out the sea. The sea is symbolism for turmoil, volatility, the 2nd beast from the earth. Earth means it came from man itself. Both beasts are a world system that symbolize something now, that is worshipped, meaning labored for, consumed by. obsessed by.

The beast from the Earth is a person, called the false prophet. This singular person is in many prophecies, called many names and titles.

 

[ewq1938]

*Note 1: Beasts are never in the feminine.

And how exactly do you know that?

 

[Rockerduck]

The beast from the Earth is a person, called the false prophet. This singular person is in many prophecies, called many names and titles.

These two beasts are world systems. and is about money, power, and sex. Both here right now and has always been. If you saw a prophecy comes true right in front of you, would you recognize it? Christians will talk about prophecy but never looked to see if any has been fulfilled. I looked and saw, for 40 yrs.

 

[Earburner]

And how exactly do you know that?

For example the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation declare many times that beasts as empires are in the masculine and not the feminine. However, Israel under the OC and Christ's church under the NC, both are spoken of in the feminine and not the masculine.

 

[Marilyn C]

For example the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation declare many times that beasts as empires are in the masculine and not the feminine. However, Israel under the OC and Christ's church under the NC, both are spoken of in the feminine and not the masculine.

The Body of Christ, the New Man is NEVER spoken about in the feminine.

 

[ewq1938]

For example the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation declare many times that beasts as empires are in the masculine and not the feminine.

That's weird because when I read Daniel 7 in Hebrew, beast is written in the feminine form and when I read Rev 13 in Greek, beast is in the neuter form. Neither uses the masculine form of the word beast in their respective languages.

 

[ewq1938]

These two beasts are world systems.

Nope. The second beast is a man. He is the leader of the first beast, which is a "world system".

 

[Earburner]

That's weird because when I read Daniel 7 in Hebrew, beast is written in the feminine form and when I read Rev 13 in Greek, beast is in the neuter form. Neither uses the masculine form of the word beast in their respective languages.

Except for a few Bible Accordances, the common person did not have ready access to the Hebrew and Greek scriptures until after 1970.

1. All prophetic beasts are in the masculine:
Dan. 7[17] These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
Rev. 13[1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

2. The church of the faithful, of both the OC and NC are in the feminine.
Gal. 4:21-31[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

3. The OC and NC church which have fallen from faith are in the feminine
Rev. 17
[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

 

[Earburner]

The Body of Christ, the New Man is NEVER spoken about in the feminine.

Please see my post #675.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope. The second beast is a man. He is the leader of the first beast, which is a "world system".

Why the lack of consistency? Seems like a case of you making scripture say what you want it to say. There is no basis for interpreting one prophetic beast as a world system and another as only a man. Be consistent if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1. All prophetic beasts:
Dan. 7[17] These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Are you intending to claim that all prophetic beasts are only kings? What about this...

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

 

[Rockerduck]

Nope. The second beast is a man. He is the leader of the first beast, which is a "world system".

Its all past, this isn't future. Work Revelation in reverse like I did, and you will see. The beast from the sea (of turmoil) is in place right now, today, as well as the beast from the earth. The Euphrates River is dried up, that's the 6th bowl in chapter 16.

 

[Davy]

Why is what I wrote "funny stuff", when I am agreeing with you that "Jerusalem which now is", is M,BTG the mother of harlots.

It is because of the following false statement you made, and I'll show you your error in it further below...


Earburner said:
"Maybe today WE ALL can see who "the 8th head" is, that is "carrying" her now. Rev. 17:11.
Knowing that the 8th head IS OF the 7, it is safe to conclude that the USA, who is "another [additional] beast", is of itself that 8th head."


There is NO Biblical command written that tells us to count those Heads of the beast like you are doing. Some man came up with that false idea, probably thought he could eventually sell a Christian book with it.

As per Revelation 13:1, the "seven heads" manifest ALL AT THE SAME TIME with the "ten horns" and the "ten crowns". And Revelation 17 is not separating those "seven heads" either when it is describing the 8 beast kings. The kings ARE NOT the "seven heads", nor is there even an 8th head described there!

So what that doctrine you are pushing, is an ADDING... to the Bible Scripture that is not backed up anywhere in God's Word.

Now then, I'm going to reveal to you some more info about the "seven heads" that is... written in God's Word, though you may think it is speculation.

1.
In the Revelation 12:3-4 Scripture, the "red dragon" is described as having a beast with "seven heads", "ten horns", but ONLY "seven crowns". And the time when that dragon drew a third of those stars (angels) to earth is linked with that 7 crown beast. So WHEN was that beast of Rev.12:3-4?

That was the beast kingdom that Lucifer originally rebelled against GOD with, his wanting to be God. Ezekiel 28 and 31 hint to that time when Lucifer was originally perfect in his ways, and was highly exalted, a high cedar, symbolically, in God's Garden.

So... when one starts reading the Revelation 13 Chapter, they are supposed to have already understood about that original Rev.12:3-4 beast kingdom of old that had only "seven crowns" instead of "ten crowns", and then think.

It ultimately means we CANNOT assign the "seven heads" arbitrarily like you are doing. Since that Rev.12 beast with "seven heads" existed in the old world when Satan first rebelled, that means we cannot apply that to present day world beast king history, like you did. That is something Preterists and Historicists like to do, but it does not work, and is not Biblical.

What then are the "seven heads"? They represent 7 concurrent... geographic regions of the earth. They do not represent linear historical beast kings, nor historical beast empires, since all 7 heads are to exist at the same time. And since Rev.13 tells us 1 of... the 7 heads suffered a "deadly wound", that means a certain area on earth suffered a deadly wound, with that pointing back to the "seven heads" beast of Rev.12:3-4 that Satan originally rebelled with.

That deadly wound was back when Lucifer setup the old... "seven heads" beast system that he first rebelled with. Most likely, the head that suffered the "deadly wound" back then in that old world was the very area on earth that will suffer yet another... deadly wound when Lord Jesus Christ returns. Can you guess where that might be? Can you guess where on earth God has chose to put His Name there forever, and thus Satan wants it for his own, because he wants to be God, and worshiped as God? And that part, you can... call my speculation. But the part about the old Rev.12:3-4 beast kingdom of "seven crowns" that Satan originally rebelled with in the old world, that is not speculation.