Judas Went to His Own Place – A Biblical Verdict of Eternal Judgment

[Origen]

Yeah,you should do more research.

I've shown that you're the one who should.

 

[Davy]

How many actually know what the word 'perdition' means? It is about perishing in the future "lake of fire" after God's Great White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20.

Has that Great White Throne Judgment event happened yet today? NO!

So why are the Biblically illiterate so ready to claim Judas Iscariot has already been judged to perdition in the future "lake of fire"? And I'm definitely not taking up for what Judas did, for it was ordained.

The matter, like Lord Jesus said in Matthew 25, the future "lake of fire" has been prepared for the devil and his angels, meaning ONLY the devil and his angels have already been judged to 'perdition' in the future "lake of fire".

Another issue is that the word "hell" in the KJV is not always the same word in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. So sometimes Jesus was speaking of the heavenly abode of the wicked more anciently known as Hades, and sometimes He was speaking of the future "lake of fire" event, which the abode of hell (hades) will eventually go into per the end of Revelation 20.

Don't forget to do your study homework brethren. It will clear up a lot of your questions. Get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and look up those Greek manuscript definitions.

 

[bdavidc]

How many actually know what the word 'perdition' means? It is about perishing in the future "lake of fire" after God's Great White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20.

Has that Great White Throne Judgment event happened yet today? NO!

So why are the Biblically illiterate so ready to claim Judas Iscariot has already been judged to perdition in the future "lake of fire"? And I'm definitely not taking up for what Judas did, for it was ordained.

The matter, like Lord Jesus said in Matthew 25, the future "lake of fire" has been prepared for the devil and his angels, meaning ONLY the devil and his angels have already been judged to 'perdition' in the future "lake of fire".

Another issue is that the word "hell" in the KJV is not always the same word in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. So sometimes Jesus was speaking of the heavenly abode of the wicked more anciently known as Hades, and sometimes He was speaking of the future "lake of fire" event, which the abode of hell (hades) will eventually go into per the end of Revelation 20.

Don't forget to do your study homework brethren. It will clear up a lot of your questions. Get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and look up those Greek manuscript definitions.

That’s not what the Bible teaches. Judas Iscariot was not only judged in time, he was identified directly by Jesus as “the son of perdition” (John 17:12). That phrase is not generic, it is specific. Perdition means destruction, ruin, and damnation. Jesus did not say Judas will be the son of perdition, He said he was. His fate was sealed not just by what he did, but by who he truly was. Acts 1:25 makes it even clearer, Judas “by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” That was not just a grave, that was a destination of judgment. No, the Great White Throne Judgment has not happened yet, but Scripture still shows that some individuals are already condemned and appointed to destruction (2 Peter 2:1, Jude 4). The lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41), but the wicked will share in it. Revelation 21:8 says, “the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars” will have their part there. The Bible does not confuse hell, Hades, Gehenna, or the lake of fire, people do. But twisting Greek word studies to water down clear warnings is dangerous. Judas was lost, and he is not an exception, he is an example. Do not follow him.

 

[bdavidc]

So why are the Biblically illiterate so ready to claim Judas Iscariot has already been judged to perdition in the future "lake of fire"? And I'm definitely not taking up for what Judas did, for it was ordained.

It’s interesting how quick some are to elevate themselves as experts just because they can quote Greek definitions or toss around theological terms, but forget the most important thing, God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6). The Bible is not a codebook for intellectuals, it is the living Word of God that reveals Christ to those who come with faith, not pride. In 1 Corinthians 1, Paul explained that God deliberately chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and the weak things to shame the strong. Most of those God uses are not noble, not mighty, not impressive in the world’s eyes, and that is by design, so no one can boast in His presence.

You say others are “biblically illiterate” for believing Judas is already judged, but Jesus Himself called him “the son of perdition” (John 17:12), and Acts 1:25 says he went “to his own place.” That is not speculation, that is Scripture. No amount of Strong’s Concordance word studies can override the plain meaning of God’s Word. The Jews in Jesus’ day wanted signs, and the Greeks wanted wisdom, but Jesus gave them one sign, the resurrection, and most still rejected it because it was not what they wanted. People like you still chase intellectual validation, but the gospel was never meant to impress the world. Paul said, “I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified” (1 Corinthians 2:2). That message is foolishness to the proud, but it is the power of God to those who believe.

You can talk down to others if you want, but God sees the heart. He uses the ones the world calls nobodies to preach a message that saves. That is how He gets the glory.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I've shown that you're the one who should.

I have. I follow Jesus,not a mystic.

The Poem of the Man-God, also known as "The Gospel as Revealed to Me," was placed on the Index of Prohibited Books in 1959, according to a Catholic News Agency article. This book, which Valtorta claimed was divinely dictated, was criticized by the Church for its "irreverence" towards the biblical account and for presenting Jesus and Mary in a way that deviated from traditional interpretations. The index was later abolished in 1966.

“A monument to pseudo-religiosity”: A case against The Poem of the Man-God​

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[Davy]

That’s not what the Bible teaches.

That no flesh born man has been judged and sentenced to perish at the future "lake of fire" yet IS WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES. Only Satan and his angels have been sentenced perish so far. No one else has yet. That is why Lord Jesus was careful to not DIRECTLY condemn anyone to perish in the "lake of fire" just yet, for that time of His Judgment IS NOT YET.

Any MAN that says flesh men have... already been sentenced to perish in that "lake of fire" today ARE FOLLOWING MEN, AND NOT GOD'S WRITTEN WORD.

 

[Davy]

It’s interesting how quick some are to elevate themselves as experts just because they can quote Greek definitions or toss around theological terms, but forget the most important thing, God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6).

And I continue to NEVER be amazed at the BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE who instead have to MAKE UP LIES AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD to try and make themselves 'appear'... holy, when they are not, but inside are full of HATRED AND ENVY against their fellowman.

 

[bdavidc]

That no flesh born man has been judged and sentenced to perish at the future "lake of fire" yet IS WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES. Only Satan and his angels have been sentenced perish so far. No one else has yet. That is why Lord Jesus was careful to not DIRECTLY condemn anyone to perish in the "lake of fire" just yet, for that time of His Judgment IS NOT YET.

Any MAN that says flesh men have... already been sentenced to perish in that "lake of fire" today ARE FOLLOWING MEN, AND NOT GOD'S WRITTEN WORD.

The Bible does teach that people are already condemned if they reject Jesus. John 3:18 says, “He that believeth not is condemned already.” That means judgment isn’t just in the future, it starts now for those who reject Christ.

Jesus called Judas “the son of perdition” (John 17:12). That means Judas was already marked for destruction. The word perdition means total ruin. So no, it’s not just the devil and his angels who are sentenced to perish. Judas is proof.

In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says to the wicked, “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire.” Then in verse 46, “These shall go away into everlasting punishment.” Those are people, not just demons. It’s clear.

So claiming no human has been sentenced yet is just wrong. The Bible doesn't back that up. That kind of thinking doesn’t come from Scripture, it comes from avoiding what God actually said. Judgment is coming, and it’s already declared for many. That’s why the gospel must be preached now, because time is running out.

 

[bdavidc]

And I continue to NEVER be amazed at the BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE who instead have to MAKE UP LIES AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD to try and make themselves 'appear'... holy, when they are not, but inside are full of HATRED AND ENVY against their fellowman.

Your arrogance is blinding you. You rant about biblical illiteracy while perverting the Word of God yourself. That’s not holiness, that’s hypocrisy. You accuse others of lying, but the lies are coming from your own mouth when you twist clear Scripture and slander true believers who are actually standing on the Word.

Jesus said, “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (Matthew 12:34). Your words reveal pride, not truth. Your attack is not correction, it’s bitterness dressed up as zeal. That’s not the spirit of Christ, that’s the flesh.

If you actually cared about God’s Word, you’d handle it with reverence, not with a self-righteous, condescending spirit. James 1:26 says if a man “seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.”

You’re not defending truth, you’re feeding your ego. Repent. Drop the act. Humble yourself before the God you claim to serve, because right now, you’re doing His enemy’s work.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Your arrogance is blinding you. You rant about biblical illiteracy while perverting the Word of God yourself. That’s not holiness, that’s hypocrisy. You accuse others of lying, but the lies are coming from your own mouth when you twist clear Scripture and slander true believers who are actually standing on the Word.

Jesus said, “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (Matthew 12:34). Your words reveal pride, not truth. Your attack is not correction, it’s bitterness dressed up as zeal. That’s not the spirit of Christ, that’s the flesh.

If you actually cared about God’s Word, you’d handle it with reverence, not with a self-righteous, condescending spirit. James 1:26 says if a man “seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.”

You’re not defending truth, you’re feeding your ego. Repent. Drop the act. Humble yourself before the God you claim to serve, because right now, you’re doing His enemy’s work.

That's a lot of hubris for one who won't concede when they're wrong.

 

[shepherdsword]

If anyone wants to know where I stand on hell and eternal punishment, I don’t base my view on feelings, opinions, or tradition. I believe what the Bible clearly says. These verses speak for themselves:


Matthew 25:46 – “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Mark 9:43–48 – “It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out… where ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’”
2 Thessalonians 1:8–9 – “He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”
Revelation 20:10 – “The devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur… They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
Revelation 14:11 – “The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever. There will be no rest day or night…”

So yes, I believe in eternal punishment, not because it’s easy to accept, but because the Bible says it clearly. Denying it doesn’t erase it. God doesn’t lie.

I really hope that you and I are wrong and the annihilation people right. However, like you, I see that the scripture declares otherwise.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Our roots are in Judaism. What did it teach us first?

 

[Origen]

I have.

But not well, which is why I corrected you three times thus far, thereby showing that you need to research more.

The Poem of the Man-God, also known as "The Gospel as Revealed to Me," was placed on the Index of Prohibited Books in 1959, according to a Catholic News Agency article. The index was later abolished in 1966.

Again, the first edition of The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V, was placed on the Index because it lacked an imprimatur, but it shouldn't have been placed on it in the first place, because it had received verbal approval to be published by Pope Pius XII. Since 1959, subsequent editions, and Maria Valtorta's other writings, have received an imprimatur, and have been published in multiple languages, all over the world.

This book, which Valtorta claimed was divinely dictated, was criticized by the Church for its "irreverence" towards the biblical account and for presenting Jesus and Mary in a way that deviated from traditional interpretations.

You're referring to an anonymous article posted in the L'Osservatore Romano ("The Roman Observer") on January 6, 1960. Have you even read it in it's entirety? Probably not. You should read the English translation and the responses to it here.

Additionally, for your knowledge, the L'Osservatore Romano ("The Roman Observer") is the Vatican’s newspaper, which was founded in 1861 for apologetic reasons, and, according to the Vatican website, to be "deliberatly polemical and propagandist". In 1929, the newspaper relocated to within the premises of the Vatican, yet still operates as an independent entity. Strictly speaking, the newspaper is not authoritative in and of itself. Any authority it contains is dependent on whether it accurately reports information/events within the Roman Curia. While its purpose is objective reporting, it is nonetheless subject to the same dynamic as any lay run organization, which may or may not be influenced by the politics of the time.

“A monument to pseudo-religiosity”: A case against The Poem of the Man-God​

Why in all these years have so few readers of The Poem of the Man-God, by Maria Valtorta, noticed it blatant and offensive defects?
September 14, 2021

Have you also read The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V? Considering it's over four-thousand pages, and you learned about it yesterday, and posted that article not even 12 hours ago, you probably didn't, much less just the parts your source referenced. Well, I have read them, and more than once over the past decade. I'm prepared to defend the Work, but you aren't prepared to defend any opposing arguments against it, because you haven't even read it, and thus can't verify any of your own sources...

Therefore, I highly recommend that you first read the book, as well as the arguments by Maria Valtorta's supporters, not just her critics, if you want to discuss it and be taken seriously by others who have. You can read the following for free online:

• The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V
• A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work. See the chapters on proofs in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

But not well, which is why I corrected you three times thus far, thereby showing that you need to research more.



Again, the first edition of The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V, was placed on the Index because it lacked an imprimatur, but it shouldn't have been placed on it in the first place, because it had received verbal approval to be published by Pope Pius XII. Since 1959, subsequent editions, and Maria Valtorta's other writings, have received an imprimatur, and have been published in multiple languages, all over the world.



You're referring to an anonymous article posted in the L'Osservatore Romano ("The Roman Observer") on January 6, 1960. Have you even read it in it's entirety? Probably not. You should read the English translation and the responses to it here.

Additionally, for your knowledge, the L'Osservatore Romano ("The Roman Observer") is the Vatican’s newspaper, which was founded in 1861 for apologetic reasons, and, according to the Vatican website, to be "deliberatly polemical and propagandist". In 1929, the newspaper relocated to within the premises of the Vatican, yet still operates as an independent entity. Strictly speaking, the newspaper is not authoritative in and of itself. Any authority it contains is dependent on whether it accurately reports information/events within the Roman Curia. While its purpose is objective reporting, it is nonetheless subject to the same dynamic as any lay run organization, which may or may not be influenced by the politics of the time.



Have you also read The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V? Considering it's over four-thousand pages, and you learned about it yesterday, and posted that article not even 12 hours ago, you probably didn't, much less just the parts your source referenced. Well, I have read them, and more than once over the past decade. I'm prepared to defend the Work, but you aren't prepared to defend any opposing arguments against it, because you haven't even read it, and thus can't verify any of your own sources...

Therefore, I highly recommend that you first read the book, as well as the arguments by Maria Valtorta's supporters, not just her critics, if you want to discuss it and be taken seriously by others who have. You can read the following for free online:

• The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V
• A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work. See the chapters on proofs in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.

You've not corrected me in the least. Your intention is to put a mystic even the church, RCC, denies as credible, as coequal in "revelations" with Christ.

You not only need to research more. You need to repent.

Btw,you don't know? Origen was considered a heretic.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Bible warns that many will say “Lord, Lord” and still be cast away (Matthew 7:21–23).

Yes, the Lord tells us that once saved always saved is not something He accepts.

Too bad so many have chosen to not pay attention to what the Lord said.

 

[Origen]

You've not corrected me in the least.

I've publicly corrected you multiple times. So, to deny it is asinine.

[...] a mystic even the church, RCC, denies as credible, [...]

Again, in February 2025, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith put out a statement giving their opinion about Maria Valtorta's writings, stating that "it cannot be considered having a supernatural origin" (and they didn't even explain why) but they've been wrong before. You should read the following article: Response to the Vatican's 2025 Press Release on Maria Valtorta. You should also read A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on proofs in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.

You not only need to research more. You need to repent.

No, you need to research this more and better. And, you're citing sources and arguments against a book that you haven't even read, which means that you can't even verify your own sources...

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I've publicly corrected you multiple times. So, to deny it is asinine.



Again, in February 2025, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith put out a statement giving their opinion about Maria Valtorta's writings, stating that "it cannot be considered having a supernatural origin" (and they didn't even explain why) but they've been wrong before. You should read the following article: Response to the Vatican's 2025 Press Release on Maria Valtorta. You should also read A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on proofs in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.



No, you need to research this more and better. And, you're citing sources and arguments against a book that you haven't even read, which means that you can't even verify your own sources...

This is an Internet forum. Everything here is public. You've publicly insisted a mystic is credible when posted articles show otherwise. Big difference to the claim you've corrected me . Asinine is holding faith in a 19th century mystic.

You're lost in thinking you need more than God's word to guide you.

That fraud female you revere is telling you Jesus has more to say than when he was here as The Word God made flesh.

Implying anyone who reads her filler to Jesus' messages are skeptics of the New Testament. Because they think they need to hear more from Jesus through a woman the church never deemed credible on her capacity.
Claim that's not true about the church's not deeming her words divinely inspired and you are not a truth teller.

She was a damned fool then and is damned forever now that she's long dead without repentance.

Wake up!

I'm done entertaining a skeptic.

 

[shepherdsword]

This is an Internet forum. Everything here is public. You've publicly insisted a mystic is credible when posted articles show otherwise. Big difference to the claim you've corrected me . Asinine is holding faith in a 19th century mystic.

You're lost in thinking you need more than God's word to guide you.

That fraud female you revere is telling you Jesus has more to say than when he was here as The Word God made flesh.

Implying anyone who reads her filler to Jesus' messages are skeptics of the New Testament. Because they think they need to hear more from Jesus through a woman the church never deemed credible on her capacity.
Claim that's not true about the church's not deeming her words divinely inspired and you are not a truth teller.

She was a damned fool then and is damned forever now that she's long dead without repentance.

Wake up!

I'm done entertaining a skeptic.

This guy copy and pastes the same old diatribe about "Maria Valtorta" in numerous threads. It's all garbage.

 

[Origen]

This is an Internet forum. Everything here is public.

No, not everything here is public, because there's a private message option on this forum. That's why I said I've publicly corrected you multiple times.

You've publicly insisted a mystic is credible when posted articles show otherwise.

You can't even verify your sources because you haven't even read the subject matter which is The Poem of the Man-God. I have read it though, all four-thousand plus pages, and more than once. So, I'm prepared to continue to address any source you throw at me.

You're lost in thinking you need more than God's word to guide you.

You limit a living Being's thoughts and words to between the covers of one book. I don't do that. I want to listen to what God says wherever His words are found.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

This guy copy and pastes the same old diatribe about "Maria Valtorta" in numerous threads. It's all garbage.

I didn't know he was doing that.
I do agree her work is garbage.