What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

[Marilyn C]

Of course, as Adam said…she had to “become the mother of everyone living”. (Gen 3:20)

As ancient servants of God proved faithful and obedient, even when God asked difficult things of them….what excuse did Israel have? It wasn’t that they had no good examples….

Noah was asked to build an enormous structure by hand, with rudimentary tools to save his family and all the animal kinds that God brought to Noah for preservation. He alone was a man of faith at that time when demonic interference had ruined everything, and this made God feel regret that he had created them.
So he took care of the problem and started again….with a clean slate.

Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son, which he attempted to carry out, but God stopped him, telling him he had passed the test.

Job had to undergo trails what no human should ever have had to endure….but he passed the test and kept his faith, leaving us a model to follow. How many of us will ever have to undergo what Job did?

Moses was told to go the the leader of a world empire, seen as a god to the Egyptians, but he courageously did as God asked him to, and after ten displays of Jehovah’s mighty power, he led Israel out of slavery and eventually into the Promised Land….but it was always through disobedience and punishments that God kept them going. Even in their 40 years in the wilderness, God fed them and provided water for millions of them. Their clothing and shoes never wore out and eventually, after serving their time, they crossed the Jordan into the Promised Land…but what awaited them? More trouble which became their middle name.

God’s covenants had conditions and Israel failed them, rendering the contract null and void….only because of his promise to Abraham did God keep them in existence, until they had produced his Messiah…it was all downhill from there. After Jesus sentenced the religious leaders to “Gehenna” only a “remnant” of natural Israel were found worthy of the Kingdom.…as it was prophesied.

You have a misguided view of Israel if you think that the nation of today has any further part in God’s purpose for the future. They have much blood on their hands and alliances with nations whose worship they despise. (Isa 1:15) There is no saving natural Israel…..God chose a replacement…spiritual Israelite. (Gal 6:16)


I won’t hold my breath waiting for that….they murdered their Messiah and Jesus served the same God that they did. (Acts 4:27) To this day Jews reject Jesus as Messiah. Having encountered Jewish posters on other sites, I can tell you that many to this day have very strong negative feelings about Jesus, having denied him for so long, it is hard to imagine the whole nation now turning to him…it would be like having a love fest with Hamas.

True…the body of Christ is one united brotherhood found globally in every nation, all have “one Lord, one faith, one baptism”. The disunited church system produced by Christendom, has a dismembered body that is carved up among many denominations who do not all believe the same truth.

The body of Christ are the rulers and priests in the kingdom (Rev 20:6)….they will have earthly subjects…(Rev 21:2-4) bringing redeemed mankind back into reconciliation with their Creator, restoring God’s first purpose for the human race on this carefully, and lovingly prepared planet….and reinstating everlasting life in paradise for them. It’s a wonderful hope, no matter whether you are heaven bound or earth bound….we will love the life that God has given us.

Hi AJ,

Lots of good comments there, thank you. Good detail. Only one point - So, Israel can defeat God`s purpose for them? Of course not. Anything and everything are only fulfilled by Jesus. No man, nation, or angel can stop this or fulfill God`s purposes.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Only one point - So, Israel can defeat God`s purpose for them? Of course not. Anything and everything are only fulfilled by Jesus. No man, nation, or angel can stop this or fulfill God`s purposes.

You have ignored the choosing of a new nation to serve God’s interests on earth. “The Israel of God” spoken about by the apostle Paul (Gal 6:16) was made up of both Jewish and gentile Christians……and this was written after those gentiles were accepted into the Christian arrangement, as it was promised to Abraham hundreds of years before. It was never just about the Jews. Tell me please how many good things are written about them compared to the serious wrongs they committed? How many times did they fall into false idol worship, and how many times did God punish them for their disobedience? His patience has limits.

No man, nation or angel can alter God’s arrangements except God…..and he did in this case. He chose a nation to produce his Messiah, but because these ones could never keep a covenant of any kind, once they had fulfilled their role, he abandoned them, (Matt 23:37-39) and chose a new ”Israel”…..a united spiritual body of Christians who would remain faithful to God until the second coming. They have always existed but were few in number as the devil created his “weeds” to take over the world with a false Christianity that holds to no teachings of Jesus at all. It‘s all a facade, because satan has captured the majority who claim to be “Christians”. (Matt 7:13-14) When Jesus returns as judge of all, only “few” will be found on the road to life. What does that say about the majority? (Matt 7:21-23)

New Jerusalem is “heavenly” not earthly. (Heb 12:22)

 

[Marilyn C]

You have ignored the choosing of a new nation to serve God’s interests on earth. “The Israel of God” spoken about by the apostle Paul (Gal 6:16) was made up of both Jewish and gentile Christians……and this was written after those gentiles were accepted into the Christian arrangement, as it was promised to Abraham hundreds of years before. It was never just about the Jews. Tell me please how many good things are written about them compared to the serious wrongs they committed? How many times did they fall into false idol worship, and how many times did God punish them for their disobedience? His patience has limits.

No man, nation or angel can alter God’s arrangements except God…..and he did in this case. He chose a nation to produce his Messiah, but because these ones could never keep a covenant of any kind, once they had fulfilled their role, he abandoned them, (Matt 23:37-39) and chose a new ”Israel”…..a united spiritual body of Christians who would remain faithful to God until the second coming. They have always existed but were few in number as the devil created his “weeds” to take over the world with a false Christianity that holds to no teachings of Jesus at all. It‘s all a facade, because satan has captured the majority who claim to be “Christians”. (Matt 7:13-14) When Jesus returns as judge of all, only “few” will be found on the road to life. What does that say about the majority? (Matt 7:21-23)

New Jerusalem is “heavenly” not earthly. (Heb 12:22)

God is omniscient and knew that Israel (or mankind, us included) could never be obedient to Him. Thus, Jesus fulfills all of God`s purposes and they will unfold as promised.

Matt. 23: 37 - 39 refers to the nation of Israel at the time of Jesus. The rulership of God through them was taken away and God will give it to those of Israel who look to Him at the end of the trib. (Zech. 12: 10 13: 8 Malachi 3: 16 & 17)

The Body of Christ is not the new Israel. Remember there is no Jew or Gentile. Gal. 6: 16 says -

`And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them AND upon the Israel of God.`

Separate groups there.

Now saying that Satan has captured the majority of Christians, is giving the Lord a bad report card. The Lord is well able to build and mature His Body by His Holy Spirit. The religious denominations on the other hand are going or already in error.

Your scriptures Matt. 7: 13 - 14 & 21 - 23 are to do with Israel not the Body of Christ which was not revealed until Jesus ascended and revealed it to Paul. (Eph. 3: 2 - 6)


I agree that the city the New Jerusalem is a heavenly city and will come down out of the third heaven to the Universal area and bring light to the earth. (Rev. 21: 2 & 24)

 

[Hiddenthings]

You have ignored the choosing of a new nation to serve God’s interests on earth. “The Israel of God” spoken about by the apostle Paul (Gal 6:16) was made up of both Jewish and gentile Christians……and this was written after those gentiles were accepted into the Christian arrangement, as it was promised to Abraham hundreds of years before. It was never just about the Jews. Tell me please how many good things are written about them compared to the serious wrongs they committed? How many times did they fall into false idol worship, and how many times did God punish them for their disobedience? His patience has limits.

No man, nation or angel can alter God’s arrangements except God…..and he did in this case. He chose a nation to produce his Messiah, but because these ones could never keep a covenant of any kind, once they had fulfilled their role, he abandoned them, (Matt 23:37-39) and chose a new ”Israel”…..a united spiritual body of Christians who would remain faithful to God until the second coming. They have always existed but were few in number as the devil created his “weeds” to take over the world with a false Christianity that holds to no teachings of Jesus at all. It‘s all a facade, because satan has captured the majority who claim to be “Christians”. (Matt 7:13-14) When Jesus returns as judge of all, only “few” will be found on the road to life. What does that say about the majority? (Matt 7:21-23)

New Jerusalem is “heavenly” not earthly. (Heb 12:22)

Comón Jane you know we have proven this many times and you have a lot of dead ends in your theology.

"For I say to you (disobedient Jews!), you shall see me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’” Matt 23:39

Two inferences the Lord makes

1. They will see him again!
2. They will say " ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’

The question you need to ask is when, and how?

AND WHERE?

 

[Aunty Jane]

God is omniscient and knew that Israel (or mankind, us included) could never be obedient to Him. Thus, Jesus fulfills all of God`s purposes and they will unfold as promised.

But we have many examples in the Bible of those of God’s people who did obey their God and even under extreme circumstances….what was the point of giving Israel a law that no one could keep? It was a constant reminder of their need for a savior. Their animal sacrifices were not really anything but a poor substitute, reflecting the pernament value of Christ’s blood, compared with the temporary value of animal sacrifices.

Matt. 23: 37 - 39 refers to the nation of Israel at the time of Jesus. The rulership of God through them was taken away and God will give it to those of Israel who look to Him at the end of the trib. (Zech. 12: 10 13: 8 Malachi 3: 16 & 17)

For a fact, Israel was basically abandoned by God some 300 years before Christ came. He had not sent a prophet to his wayward people for hundreds of years because he knew that they were incorrigible. The last prophet he sent was his own son but still they showed no obedience even to him. Jesus gave a parable in Luke 20:9-18 that illustrates the point and the ultimate fate of his son’s enemies.

Now saying that Satan has captured the majority of Christians, is giving the Lord a bad report card.

It’s what the Bible says….not me. (1 John 5:19) What part of the “whole world” is untouched by him?

The Lord is well able to build and mature His Body by His Holy Spirit. The religious denominations on the other hand are going or already in error.

Which is why his elect are no part of the disunited religions of Christendom.

Your scriptures Matt. 7: 13 - 14 & 21 - 23 are to do with Israel not the Body of Christ which was not revealed until Jesus ascended and revealed it to Paul. (Eph. 3: 2 - 6)

The scriptures in Matt 7 are part of Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount and he is speaking there about the time of judgment…..a time when those who claim Jesus as their Lord will find him rejecting them as those he “never knew”. These are definitely NOT “the body of Christ” who are no part of the counterfeit “Christianity” that Jesus said would be planted by the devil. The “weeds” of Jesus’ parable have been gaining ground ever since the death of the apostles….the “wheat” are not uprooted with the weeds when the harvest is carried out.…they are separated at that time and are placed in the master’s storehouse.

I agree that the city the New Jerusalem is a heavenly city and will come down out of the third heaven to the Universal area and bring light to the earth. (Rev. 21: 2 & 24)

Yes, “heavenly Jerusalem” will rule earthly subjects, those redeemed by Christ’s sacrifice.….but there will be no geographical location, nor will there ever be an earthly Temple again…..
Jesus said that the time was coming when there would be no earthly locations for God’s worship. Since Christianity is no longer a geographically local religion, it’s rule from heaven will encompass the whole earth.

Jesus told the Samaritan woman…in John 4:21-24….
”Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

Salvation began with the Jews but it will not finish with them….you have the wrong “Israel”….

 

[Aunty Jane]

Comón Jane you know we have proven this many times and you have a lot of dead ends in your theology.

You’re funny….you have not proven a thing to me by Scripture, and your own theology to me has many dead ends as well….suggestions are not facts and this is all you offer. It’s true because you say so….sorry, that doesn't wash with me…..I believe that you are dead wrong.

"For I say to you (disobedient Jews!), you shall see me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’” Matt 23:39

Two inferences the Lord makes

1. They will see him again!
2. They will say " ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’

The question you need to ask is when, and how?

AND WHERE?

If I said to someone stubborn that they weren’t going to see me again UNTIL they did as I told them…..what if they don’t give a damn? What if “until” never comes because of a proven stubbornness?…..as it will with literal Israel.
They as a nation will NEVER “BLESS THE ONE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD” because they stopped serving that God a very long time ago.

They proved throughout their entire history that they could never do as they were told…what makes you think they will now? God gave up on them…and chose a new “Israel”….the Israel of old are gone and the Israel of today are more interested in bloodshed than they are in obeying a God they have never served in faith.

Don’t hold your breath….you are barking up the wrong tree…

 

[Hiddenthings]

You’re funny….you have not proven a thing to me by Scripture, and your own theology to me has many dead ends as well….suggestions are not facts and this is all you offer. It’s true because you say so….sorry, that doesn't wash with me…..I believe that you are dead wrong.

We've had many discussions where you have overlooked the prophets, even though you know their prophecies, as stated in Acts, will ultimately be fulfilled in the future. As Acts 3:21 says, "whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began."

If I said to someone stubborn that they weren’t going to see me again UNTIL they did as I told them…..what if they don’t give a damn? What if “until” never comes because of a proven stubbornness?…..as it will with literal Israel.

Jane, it is this type of woeful reading of the Word which has you ignorant of the Mystery spoken of by Paul. It's a failure on your part to know the times and seasons in which you live. Take your above musings and now look at what is truth!

Matthew 23:39, where Jesus says: "For I say to you, you shall see me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’” (NKJV)

The crowd uttered these same words as he rode into the city!

Quoting Psalm 118:26 says: "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord; We have blessed you from the house of the Lord."

If you truly understood this, Jane, you wouldn't be able to downplay these words or events. But since you don't understand and choose not to, you remain in ignorance.

And what of Matt 21:9? yet not understanding as he prophesied they would do it again at his second coming!

Matthew 21:9 says: "Then the multitudes who went before and those who followed cried out, saying: ‘Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!’"

And again Matt 23:38 – 39

"See! Your house is left to you desolate. For I say to you, you shall see me no more until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’" (NKJV)

They said it once Jane!!
They will say it again, as prophesied!!!

They as a nation will NEVER “BLESS THE ONE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD” because they stopped serving that God a very long time ago.

Speaking from ignorance once again...this is a sign isn't of one who has not got ears to hear what the Spirit says.

They proved throughout their entire history that they could never do as they were told…what makes you think they will now? God gave up on them…and chose a new “Israel”….the Israel of old are gone and the Israel of today are more interested in bloodshed than they are in obeying a God they have never served in faith.

Don’t hold your breath….you are barking up the wrong tree…

And yet you know and not once have you spoken to Jeremiah 31 and the New Covenant which He will write on their hearts.

31:29 “When that time comes, people will no longer say, ‘The parents have eaten sour grapes, but the children’s teeth have grown numb.’ 31:30 Rather, each person will die for his own sins. The teeth of the person who eats the sour grapes will themselves grow numb. 31:31 “Indeed, a time is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. 31:32 It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I delivered them from Egypt. For they violated that covenant, even though I was like a faithful husband to them,” says the Lord. 31:33 “But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,” says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people. 31:34 “People will no longer need to teach their neighbors and relatives to know me. For all of them, from the least important to the most important, will know me,” says the Lord. “For I will forgive their sin and will no longer call to mind the wrong they have done.” Je 31:29–34.

Wow Jane, I have found your evasiveness highly interesting to watch as I know you are bound by the beliefs of a body who walked away from the Prophets teaching and took to themselves their own prophets.

Facts:

1. God will write the NC on their hearts as He has stated! Your God fails...mine does not!
2. It is not speaking to the OC!
3. These Jews will be broken in spirit and will be refined and purged of their gods and disobedience
4. Christ will be their King as promised to his father David (on earth)
5. All of them will be taught of the true Saints (Jer 3:15) who understand the true Gospel of God with Power.

Only then will you see the Israel & the Gentiles fullfill the saying in Matthew 19:30, Mark 10:31, and Luke 13:30 "But many who are first will be last, and the last first."

I know that you will witness these things fulfilled, and when you do, remember our conversations.

I know you have no answers to these Scriptures, because your body has written over them in their own hand.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Aunty Jane

You said they would never say it! I showed you the first occurrence
You will say they will never say it a second time - I have showed you they will!

Can you see the pattern?

Please do me a favor Jane.

Go and read the remaining verses of Psalms 118:26 - 29

Is this your God or not?

If yes, you have your answer...if no, you are none of His

 

[Marilyn C]

But we have many examples in the Bible of those of God’s people who did obey their God and even under extreme circumstances….what was the point of giving Israel a law that no one could keep? It was a constant reminder of their need for a savior. Their animal sacrifices were not really anything but a poor substitute, reflecting the pernament value of Christ’s blood, compared with the temporary value of animal sacrifices.

For a fact, Israel was basically abandoned by God some 300 years before Christ came. He had not sent a prophet to his wayward people for hundreds of years because he knew that they were incorrigible. The last prophet he sent was his own son but still they showed no obedience even to him. Jesus gave a parable in Luke 20:9-18 that illustrates the point and the ultimate fate of his son’s enemies.

It’s what the Bible says….not me. (1 John 5:19) What part of the “whole world” is untouched by him?

Which is why his elect are no part of the disunited religions of Christendom.

The scriptures in Matt 7 are part of Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount and he is speaking there about the time of judgment…..a time when those who claim Jesus as their Lord will find him rejecting them as those he “never knew”. These are definitely NOT “the body of Christ” who are no part of the counterfeit “Christianity” that Jesus said would be planted by the devil. The “weeds” of Jesus’ parable have been gaining ground ever since the death of the apostles….the “wheat” are not uprooted with the weeds when the harvest is carried out.…they are separated at that time and are placed in the master’s storehouse.

Yes, “heavenly Jerusalem” will rule earthly subjects, those redeemed by Christ’s sacrifice.….but there will be no geographical location, nor will there ever be an earthly Temple again…..
Jesus said that the time was coming when there would be no earthly locations for God’s worship. Since Christianity is no longer a geographically local religion, it’s rule from heaven will encompass the whole earth.

Jesus told the Samaritan woman…in John 4:21-24….
”Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

Salvation began with the Jews but it will not finish with them….you have the wrong “Israel”….

The whole Tabernacle & Temple with its furnishing and rituals show in great detail Christ`s character and His Mediatorial work as High Priest. The Laws were to reveal to Israel their inadequacy and was the schoolmaster to lead them to Christ.

Luke 20: 9 - 18 reveal the blindness of that generation that was when Jesus was on earth.

I agree as to man`s denominations - man made.

Jesus` sermon on the Mount was to the Jews. There was no Body of Christ then and no knowledge of such a group.

I believe God is not stopped by man, Israel, religious denominations or angels. God is supreme and will accomplish all He has purposed for the Nations, for Israel and for the Body of Christ all through Jesus.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Marilyn C

Interesting that they professed this blessing (Ps 118) upon Christ "from" a desolate house. (Matthew 21:9)

"See! Your house is left to you desolate. For I say to you, you shall see me no more until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’" (NKJV)

God was no longer present in their house because it was made no longer His!

However!

"See! Your house is left to you desolate. For I say to you, you shall see me no more until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’" (NKJV)

They will fulfill Psalm 118's blessing when they profess it from God's House and will be pronounced through Christ in the Lord’s temple! Ps 118:26.

@Aunty Jane doesn't realize the prophecy hasn't been fulfilled yet - she can't because her God has cast off His people and her temple is in Heaven.

How terrible would it be to have Jane's faith and hope only to find the body you belonged to discard all the important prophecies for their own?

It's a stern warning for any religious community who seeks to make Gods Word / house their own!

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Aunty Jane @Marilyn C

Save us, we pray, O Lord! O Lord, we pray, give us success! Ps 118:25.

you shall see me no more until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’" Matt 23:38

It’s impossible to ignore that the Lord is revealing something to them that they don’t yet understand, but He certainly does!

There will come a time in the future when they will cry out for salvation, and God will send His Son back to the Earth with His Saints. When they finally realise who it was that saved them, what a revelation that will be!

As it’s written in Zechariah 12:10: “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”

The stage is set even now. Israel is again engaged in war, attempting to secure peace through their own might. But when peace does come, and it will, it will be preceded by an attack from the enemy, and many will tragically be lost.

They will cry out, they will one day say those words and mean them to their core!

The one they pierced will be in their midst and he will be their King.

 

[Aunty Jane]

They will cry out, they will one day say those words and mean them to their core!

The one they pierced will be in their midst and he will be their King.

What does God’s word say?
Hebrews 11 is a testimony to men and women of faith in pre-Christian times……what made these ones outstanding, and by contrast made the nation of Israel look like spoiled brats? Disobedient, complaining, tantrum throwing spiritual babies…..whom it seems we’re not interested in growing up. They just relied on their lineage to Abraham as if that was the only important thing…….it wasn’t.

What was John B’s response to the religious leaders in the period leading up to Jesus’ baptism?

Here it is again….just in case you missed it….
Matt 3:7-10…ESV….
”But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”

Here are Paul’s words again to the Romans….
Rom 9:6-8….ESV…
”But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.”

There is the new spiritual “Israel”……Do you get it yet?
Don’t believe me, but please believe Paul…..he knows what he is talking about…
The axe fell and the tree was cut down, as useless to God as a fruit tree with no fruit.

When have Israel not caused grief to the God who called them for a special purpose?…..they disqualified themselves…..no one did that to them….they have no one else to blame.

 

[Hiddenthings]

What does God’s word say?
Hebrews 11 is a testimony to men and women of faith in pre-Christian times……what made these ones outstanding, and by contrast made the nation of Israel look like spoiled brats? Disobedient, complaining, tantrum throwing spiritual babies…..whom it seems we’re not interested in growing up. They just relied on their lineage to Abraham as if that was the only important thing…….it wasn’t.

What was John B’s response to the religious leaders in the period leading up to Jesus’ baptism?

Here it is again….just in case you missed it….
Matt 3:7-10…ESV….
”But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”

Wow Jane, can you see what you have just shown everyone reading this?

John was baptising at the “house of fords (crossing)” and it was Joshua who arranged a heap of stones which were lifted from the murky floor of the Jordan River Josh 4:37

Do you know what the stones represented Jane?

The twelve stones represented the true Israel of God which is made up of Jew & Gentile.

Do you think God has cast of the Jews?

You have missed the entire point of John B's teachings - God has brought over the river purged and refined Israel once before and He plans to do it again as foretold!

How many men were chosen to carry the stones? Answer: 12
How many washed stones were carried? Answer 12

What is the future promise of Christ to his Apostles?

"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones (12), judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

You did this Jane, you directed me to how God can create children of Abraham from stones.
You guided me to Josh 4 which is where John B's mind was at when rebuking his listeners
You guided me to Matt 19:28 and to this future work of Christ and the Saints

Did you know Joshua 4 was a prophecy to be fulfilled when Matt 19:28 is seen in the earth?
Also, Christ is not yet sitting on Davids throne.

God has just used you to manifest His Will with His People and you continue to reject it?

Surely not!

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Who else but Satan will literally fall from heaven?

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Who else but Satan could ascend into heaven like he did in Job?


Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Paul wrote that the Antichrist will also seek to do this and whether the AC is Satan or a Satan possessed man it still is a reference to Satan.


Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Exactly what Rev 20 depicts happening to Satan!

Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Satan bound for a thousand years and I can easily imagine people saying this about him!

That's far too many coincidences to just be about some old king of Babylon as all of it exactly pertains to Satan and what is going to happen to him and what he tries to accomplish.

The serpent was in the garden of Eden.
Lucifer was in the garden of Eden.
Satan was the serpent in the garden of Eden.

Satan fell from heaven.
Lucifer fell from heaven.

Satan will be cast into a pit.
Lucifer will be cast into a pit.

So how exactly is Lucifer not Satan?

Your thoughts please. Others invited to reply as well .

What do you say to those who insist Lucifer fell from Heaven after Jesus was crucified.

 

[Marilyn C]

Your thoughts please. Others invited to reply as well .

What do you say to those who insist Lucifer fell from Heaven after Jesus was crucified.

I would say that God cast Lucifer from the third heaven to the Universal realm of principalities and powers where he will fight with Michael and his angels and then be cast to the earth. Limited to being on the earth till the Lord deals with him at the end of the trib.

He couldn`t have been in the highest heaven for he was in the garden deceiving Eve. God would not have evil pollute His thronal realm.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I would say that God cast Lucifer from the third heaven to the Universal realm of principalities and powers where he will fight with Michael and his angels and then be cast to the earth. Limited to being on the earth till the Lord deals with him at the end of the trib.

He couldn`t have been in the highest heaven for he was in the garden deceiving Eve. God would not have evil pollute His thronal realm.

Thank you for your reply .
For context and my better understanding,did the cast into the universal realms happen already? Or is that future?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Your thoughts please. Others invited to reply as well .

What do you say to those who insist Lucifer fell from Heaven after Jesus was crucified.

I would say they should cease whatever medication they are on immediately.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I would say they should cease whatever medication they are on immediately.

When did Lucifer fall?

 

[Marilyn C]

Thank you for your reply .
For context and my better understanding,did the cast into the universal realms happen already? Or is that future?

The cast happened before God made the physical heavens and earth. God made the invisible heavens first - His throne and the Principalities and powers realm. (Col. 1: 16)

 

[ewq1938]

Your thoughts please. Others invited to reply as well .

What do you say to those who insist Lucifer fell from Heaven after Jesus was crucified.

Define what you mean by fell from heaven.