What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

[ewq1938]

Horns are powers.

Rev uses the term kings.

The beast doesn`t have 7 mountains on it.

The beast has 7 heads and the heads are mountains, Rev 17.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes,the garden was in Eden. Satan first entered Eden to get to the garden.
So,God let Satan tempt Adam and Eve?

Yes.

 

[Marilyn C]

The nations stop people fighting or trying to build a tower to God.

Israel was necessary that the Messiah come forth.

The Body of Christ was necessary that Salvation be extended to every Man (if God did not, the nations and Israel would perish).

The Nations will have those who are saved, (Rev. 21: 24)

God could have sent Jesus anytime if that was His purpose. So, Israel has a greater purpose than that.

Yes, in the time of the Body of Christ all may come, but when we have come to maturity in Christ then Israel and the nations will be dealt with by God.

 

[Marilyn C]

Rev uses the term kings.




The beast has 7 heads and the heads are mountains, Rev 17.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

`And the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, they are seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. Abd when he comes, he must continue a short time.` (Rev. 17: 9 & 10)

God is interpreting His word. And the timing is in the first part of the tribulation.

 

[ewq1938]

Lucifer drew a third of the angels with him when he was cast out of the third heaven.

No, he drew the 3rd of stars to the Earth before the war in heaven and before he lost the war and was cast out. You present that it all happened at the same time which is not correct. See the order:

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Satan Thrown Down to Earth
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So satan did not draw the 3rd of angels "with him" as he was cast out of heaven.

 

[Marilyn C]

Yes,the garden was in Eden. Satan first entered Eden to get to the garden.
So,God let Satan tempt Adam and Eve?

Yes, because a moral character is developed over time through choices. Adam and Eve needed to develop their moral character.

 

[ewq1938]

`And the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, they are seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. Abd when he comes, he must continue a short time.` (Rev. 17: 9 & 10)

God is interpreting His word. And the timing is in the first part of the tribulation.

No, the 7 kings are different than the 7 mountains. This is a better translation:

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Verse 10 is a new subject unrelated to the 7 heads/mountains. All 7 heads exist at the same time while the 8 kings are consecutive and mostly dead and gone in history. Only the 7th nd 8th kings are left.

 

[Marilyn C]

No, he drew the 3rd of stars to the Earth before the war in heaven and before he lost the war and was cast out. You present that it all happened at the same time which is not correct. See the order:

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Satan Thrown Down to Earth
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So satan did not draw the 3rd of angels "with him" as he was cast out of heaven.

Yes, later the fallen angels were cast to the earth. (Rev. 12: 9)

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, later the fallen angels were cast to the earth. (Rev. 12: 9)

Maybe they weren't fallen angels as in not satan's angels? He rebelled long before that and angels followed him at least as far as Gen 6. Kinda seems strange that he would get 1/3 more angels at a timeframe after Christ's ascension, doesn't it?

 

[Zao is life]

In Daniel 2, Daniel wrote of a rock/stone that comes down out of Heaven untouched by human hands in our near future and will then become the largest mountain on the whole earth.

Which is another way of saying that all the kingdoms of this word have been the Kingdom of our LORD and of His Christ as in Revelation 11:15. The mountain still represents the Kingdom of Christ.

"For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people. And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established." Isaiah 7:8-9.

The head represents both the kingdom and its king in the above verses, and is specifically talking about the place of the seat of power of both kings.

There are many examples of this:

Psalm 30
7 LORD, by thy favour thou hast made my mountain to stand strong: thou didst hide thy face, and I was troubled.

Psalm 48
1 Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.

18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

Perhaps the seven mountains are seven religions upon which the woman sits.

Mountains never symbolize religions in scripture.

Perhaps your metaphor or symbolism is a tad off. Just a thought.

Ditto as to your metaphor.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Yes.

Because God pre-planned the fall.

 

[ScottA]

So, what do you think (from God`s word if you can) was God`s purpose in making -

1. The Nations.

2. Israel.

3. The Body of Christ.


If you can only comment on one group, then that is fine.

This verse answers all three:

Genesis 2:18
And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”

The biblically established fact of God's relationship with his creation of humanity, is portrayed as the relationship of a man and a woman in marriage-- "but I speak concerning Christ and the church" (Ephesians 5:32). Meaning--His purpose: It is not good that God should be alone.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

This verse answers all three:

Genesis 2:18
And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”

The biblically established fact of God's relationship with his creation of humanity, is portrayed as the relationship of a man and a woman in marriage-- "but I speak concerning Christ and the church" (Ephesians 5:32). Meaning--His purpose: It is not good that God should be alone.

That isn't a verse applicable to God.
We can't imbue God with human emotions to that degree.

God is not a man that he should lie. God is not a man that he believes himself alone.
God is a spirit. Everything that exists is of and from God.

 

[Jay Ross]

Mountains never symbolize religions in scripture.

Never use the word "never" when talking about the scriptures.

There are many examples of this:

Psalm 30
7 LORD, by thy favour thou hast made my mountain to stand strong: thou didst hide thy face, and I was troubled.

Psalm 48
1 Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.

18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

Thanks for providing evidence that proves what I have posted.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

 

[ScottA]

That isn't a verse applicable to God.
We can't imbue God with human emotions to that degree.

God is not a man that he should lie. God is not a man that he believes himself alone.
God is a spirit. Everything that exists is of and from God.

That is why I added Paul's Ephesians 5 "mystery" verse.

It is a mistake to think that words of man do not reveal things of God--it takes away the key of knowledge (Luke 11:52). An example would be David's own words of suffering applying prophetically to Christ.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

That is why I added Paul's Ephesians 5 "mystery" verse.

It is a mistake to think that words of man do not reveal things of God--it takes away the key of knowledge (Luke 11:52). An example would be David's own words of suffering applying prophetically to Christ.

Christ was God made flesh.

 

[Taken]

So, what do you think (from God`s word if you can) was God`s purpose in making -

1. The Nations.

2. Israel.

3. The Body of Christ.


If you can only comment on one group, then that is fine.

Gad created and made manKind for His Pleasure.

Making the Nations?
Introduction of a man Submitting to a Higher Authority.

Making of Israel?
Introduction of man Submitting to a Higher Authority/ Power Above All other Powers.

The Body of Jesus?
An Revealing of Gods Grace, Giving manKind an Example and Sacrifice Offered to manKind, to Take. .

The Christ?
An Example of Gods Power for men to See, Experience and Trust.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Aunty Jane]

So, what do you think (from God`s word if you can) was God`s purpose in making -

1. The Nations.

I don’t believe that God ever intended the world to be divided into “nations”……there was only one “race” in the beginning and nothing in God’s plans for “the human race” implied otherwise.

As was mentioned, all “races” descended from Noah’s sons…..still one genetically related group, who spoke one language, but who were divided when the language was confused at Babel. This division is what created the nations who spoke those different languages. That wasn’t in the first plan. It was the means to foil rebellion after the flood, from descending into wickedness again too quickly.

2. Israel.

God was going to bring his Messiah into the world by means of an earthly woman, so in order to facilitate that, God made sure that his Messiah had ‘credentials’……i.e. several means to support who he was and where he came from, all prophesied long before it took place.

There was no need for God to identify any “people” as his own originally, because all humanity were going to be his “people”, but because of the division of the nations, he had to single out one nation, and one tribe, and a single location, for his Christ to come into the world. This among many other prophesies would prove that he was no mere human.
Because God had to bring his son into the world through a human mother, he wanted to make sure that the parents he chose were God fearing and would give his son the best spiritual upbringing.
Singling out Abraham as the father of that nation was more about the faith of the man himself, than anything his descendants did, because we know that Jesus was brought into the world into a nation that was far removed from the faith of Abraham…..but they were the only people on earth who were ruled by the laws of their God, set down through another faithful servant, Moses….yet their record of faithful obedience was appalling.

We actually learn more about God from how he responded to their errors, than anything they did right.

So as a nation, they served their purpose and produced the Messiah…and gave us all a record of how God deals with humans as a national collective……but due to their intractable nature, they lost their place in God’s arrangement, replaced by a spiritual nation who would faithfully do as God instructed.
The “Israel of God” we’re now made up of both Jewish and gentile Christians. (Gal 6:16)

3. The Body of Christ.

The “body of Christ” is a specially chosen group who will rule with Christ in heaven…..it’s not a group that one can volunteer for, or to claim without knowledge of what it means to be selected by God for a “heavenly calling”…..(Heb 3:1) They know what that calling means, and why they are chosen to assist Jesus as fellow “kings and priests” in bringing the human race back into reconciliation with God during “the thousand years” that are allotted for the process. (Rev 20:6)

Rev 21:2-4 tells us what the end result will be……a restoration of all things, so that with the rule of God’s Kingdom, God’s will can “be done on earth as it is in heaven”…..this is what Jesus taught us to pray for, in a prayer that is often parroted off without much thought as to what it means….

God’s purpose for the earth and mankind upon it, never went away. The Kingdom is how we get back what Adam lost for all his children. That is the basic story from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[Marilyn C]

This verse answers all three:

Genesis 2:18
And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”

The biblically established fact of God's relationship with his creation of humanity, is portrayed as the relationship of a man and a woman in marriage-- "but I speak concerning Christ and the church" (Ephesians 5:32). Meaning--His purpose: It is not good that God should be alone.

Hi Scott,

God is not alone, the Godhead has three persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. (which I`m sure you know.)

As to the church, Body of Christ, the New Man, it is not female, the wife and bride. God`s word tells us that His relationship to Israel is as a husband, master, and Israel as a nation is the wife. (Isa. 54: 5 & 6 Hos. 2: 19 & 20)

Then in the New heavens and New Earth, the city the New Jerusalem is described as a bride, because of the glory of God upon it. (Rev. 21: 9 - 11)
The New Jerusalem is thus the administrative center for God`s rulership through Israel over the earth. It is also the means whereby God connects and interlocks the spiritual and physical realms. The symbol of this is the `Bride,` representing this connecting and interlocking.