PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

[David in NJ]

I am close to putting you on ignore.
Hopefully you will step up, and not keep doing what you do.
I am not here to play your games.

AGREE - i will refrain from sarcasm = Will you also?

 

[amigo de christo]

God's Math Formula that leads to Salvation: 1+1=2

God's Math Formula from the OT = Joseph

I have one . TWO FOLDS , jew and gentile , made ONE IN CHRIST .
those be the saved ones who BELEIVED IN HIM and recieve salvation .
The formula for salvation is , BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Lots of ones come next so bear with me .
ONE KINGDOM heavenly , ONE ISRAEL of GOD beleiving jews and gentiles
ONE heavenly MOUNT ZION , ONE LORD ONE GOD ONE FAITH ONE BAPTISIM
ONE SPIRIT
ONE BODY ONE WIFE ONE BRIDE OF CHRIST .
THOSE WHO BELEIEVE ON HIM .
ONE GOD AND FATHER OF US ALL my friend .
THOSE who LOVE GOD LOVE CHRIST and THOSE WHO LOVE CHRIST would have LOVED HIS SAYINGS . real simple .

 

[amigo de christo]

AGREE - i will refrain from sarcasm = Will you also?

In this world ye shall have tribulation .
He who endures to the end the same shall be saved .
and now a word from paul long ago
CONCERNING this very tribulation upon us
was writing to a church and reminding them
and told them WHY he had sent timothy and titus unto them .
TO be sure they had not been moved by perseuctions
that we are appointed unto them .
In fact we both know what he writes in his second letter to the church in thessalonica .
AND MAN it as do other places SURE DO PROVE the RETURN OF CHRIST is a ONE TIME EVENT
and that we do suffer tribulation and in fact its a righteous judgment of GOD
that we do suffer for the KINGDOM
but also that GOD would recompense wrath against those WHO DID SO
ON THE DAY OF THE LORD WHEN WE GO home and HE LAYS DOWN HIS WRATH .
IN fact
very clear it is in revelation .
WHO Does the beast come against . THE SAINTS , not the left behind aints .
THE SAINTS . The devil has LONG waged war on the church and used men to do so . HE aint been sleeping

 

[amigo de christo]

Well said. The claim by pretribs that the church on earth is not referenced at all between Revelation 4 and Revelation 19 is completely absurd.

Friend many are the deceptions within much of christendom now .
AND the big one to merge all of the decieved within christendom
with all those false decieved religoins for the idea we can have peace n safety
and that all religoins serve the same GOD , IS TAKING SO many within christendom captive to the lie .
SO many are running blindly to men for a solution
And have no idea its of anti christ to lead them to what they all beleive will usher peace n safety unto the world .
PEACE N SAFETY . promised by anti christs .
WHO darn sure have made the testimony of GOD VOID and call HIM a liar
as they reject THE TESTIMONY HE GAVE OF THE SON and holler ALL religoins serve the same GOD differently
LETS JUST LOVEY DO . well that LOVE darn sure aint of GOD
and while it hollers this is the way to PEACE N SAFETY
SUDDEN DESTRUCTION shall come upon them all and THEY WONT BE ESCAPING . it draws nigh .

 

[The Light]

You know there is such thing as spiritual redemption and that the first Christians were called "a kind of firstfruits" (James 1:18) and their souls are in heaven now and that God's throne is in heaven, don't you?

Yes, I am aware that some early Christian were called "a kind of firstfruits"

Nonsense. Where does scripture every say that we will escape temptation and testing? Never! You are directly contradicting Jesus's prayer for His people...

John 17:15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.

Oh. This tired old, misused scripture.

Would it make any sense for Jesus to pray anything else. How about something like..........Father, please rapture my apostles to heaven so no one will be around to spread the Gospel.

 

[The Light]

WHO Does the beast come against . THE SAINTS , not the left behind aints .
THE SAINTS . The devil has LONG waged war on the church and used men to do so . HE aint been sleeping

Those that get victory over the beast sing the song of Moses as they are Jews

Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

The Church is already in heaven before the seals are opened. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in blindness is removed from part of Israel.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

It is the seed of the woman, Israel, which are the 12 tribes across the earth, that keep the commandments of God and have the testimony Jesus Christ.

Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[WPM]

The Church is already in heaven before the seals are opened. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in blindness is removed from part of Israel.

And where exactly is your supposed future rapture in Revelation? You stating something means nothing.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Luke 17:26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.

That's not speaking of the 3 year reign of the anti-christ so it's not applicable to our discussion

Jesus is speaking of His second coming, not the rapture that takes place sometime after the man of sin is revealed.
The day of the Lord is when Jesus returns to setup His Kingdom on earth for 1000 years.

Big difference between the days of the Son of Man verses the 3 years the devil is running the show which are two totally different times

 

[The Light]

And where exactly is your supposed future rapture in Revelation? You stating something means nothing.

Well, it's like this:

I can show you where we are told to watch, in Revelation 3 because if we do not watch, we will not know what hour He will come.

I can show you in Revelation 3 where He says He comes quickly and don't let anyone take your crown.

I can show you where John is caught up in Revelation 4, though John is not the Church but only a member of the Church.

I can show you 24 elders with crowns in Revelation 4 that proves that Jesus has come, and His reward was with Him.

And I can show you the kings and priests that are the Church in heaven in Revelation 5, before the seals are opened.

But what I can't do is show you the exact verses where the Church is raptured. There is a reason for this. If you have wisdom, you can put all the scriptures together and come to the proper conclusion that the Church is raptured. Simple.

If God pinpointed His return as you seem to need, then it would be pretty hard to come in an hour that you think not. You would find no need to be ready. You would not be watching. There has to be 5 foolish virgins that are short of oil. It's pretty easy to figure out who they are.

Now your turn. Where is your rapture in the book of Revelation..........Chapter and verse?