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[GodsGrace]

Only Jesus's Sacrifice to GOD on your Behalf, "makes you worthy to remain saved".
And that you have the incredible audacity to post that your filthy works, are equal to God's Son's perfect sacrifice for you... is a pathetic acknowlegement that your understanding of the Cross of Christ is ZERO... Totally ZERO.

Why do you preach that what JESUS taught is filthy??

JESUS said that we are to bear fruit or we would be cut off, thrown away, severed.

John 15:2
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.


See....every branch IN JESUS,,,,meaning a saved person,
that does NOT bear fruit....God will take away,,,,,
dried up and burned.


See verse 6
6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.


See...the branches that are IN CHRIST (saved believers) that do NOT produce fruit/good works,
are taken away, dried up, cast into a fire and burned.


Not only are our good works not dirty and filthy...
Jesus DEMANDS that we do them.

The foolish man DID NOT ACT on the words of Jesus and his house was taken away by the storm.

Matthew 7:26
26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.


You should stop calling the good works that Jesus demands FILTHY....
You do not teach what Jesus taught.

 

[GodsGrace]

Only Jesus's Sacrifice to GOD on your Behalf, "makes you worthy to remain saved".
And that you have the incredible audacity to post that your filthy works, are equal to God's Son's perfect sacrifice for you... is a pathetic acknowlegement that your understanding of the Cross of Christ is ZERO... Totally ZERO.

BTW,,,please show the post where I stated that my works are equal to God's Son's perfect sacrifice....

Thanks.

 

[GodsGrace]

Disagree.
The Power of God, the Seed of God, keeps A Saved man Saved.



Elaborating.
Not in Belief at time of Bodily Death…
Yes Salvation NEVER Received will be forfeited.



Disagree.
Belief iS the “cost / Worth” For the Gift of Salvation to be Given from the Lord God and Received unto the man.
Once Salvation is Received… it is Permanent.
Can not be lost / revoked.



Belief is the “Work of God” that a man can Do.

“Your works”… “a mans works”, Do Not net you Salvation or keep Salvation a man has Received.”
Works a man Does… is Rewarded with “treasures”, NOT rewarded with the Gift of Salvation.



Yep.
A man Doing “Gods Work” of Belief…
Scriptural position…
Or
A man doing “his works” ( of charity, loving, tending, etc.) your position.

Taken.
ALL our works are done by us.
Power given by the Holy Spirit.
But done BY US.

Jesus said we are to ACT on His words.

ACT ON HIS WORDS.

Everything we do after salvation is done for God.

Nothing we do after salvation is OUR work, but we work for §God.

Matthew 5:16
16 "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

 

[Taken]

Taken.
ALL our works are done by us.
Power given by the Holy Spirit.
But done BY US.

From the moment of OUR natural birth…
ALL of OUR works are done by OUR OWN FREEWILL choosing.

Jesus said we are to ACT on His words.

ACT ON HIS WORDS.

Yes. The Lords Teaching. A man Can Hear, Can Learn, Can Freely Choose To Do, or Not.

Everything we do after salvation is done for God.

Not True.

Salvation IS a Gift From God…
For A man to ESTABLISH A one on / with one Relationship BETWEEN That man AND the Lord God.
BY A mans natural Spirits Belief IN the Lord God.

Which “IS” a man DOING the WORKS of God…
Not the man Doing the Works of the Man.
Which “WITHOUT” a man DOING that ONE WORKS “of God”….
Goes the Meaning…
“Faith “WITHOUT” Works (Gods Works) … IS Dead.”
THE Mystery to some… IS:
WHAT IS the ONE WORKS “OF” God, a man MUST DO… TO BE a candidate TO RECEIVE the Lord Gods Gift Offering “of” Salvation.

Nothing we do after salvation is OUR work, …

Not True.

Matthew 5:16
16 "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

Matt 6:16 is a teaching “To let your light shine…”. A Teaching of How to “work / serve God….”
Not a teaching… THAT EVERY one (with or in) Him DOES, “let his light shine”.

A man HAVING the Lords Gift of Salvation… IS a man, PREPARED to Serve the Lord God…in a Fashion, manner HE taught.

Be Honest…
Many Humans Do have a one on Relationship WITH (some) WITH-IN the Lord God…
YET…
The Same…
Lie, cheat, steal, extort, embezzle, over indulge in drugs, sexual prowess, murder, AGAINST other manKIND…
AND…IF not actively a participant themselves…
Encourage, Excuse, Support Others WHO knowingly DO “participate” in ANY such activities.

A man HAVING the Lord Gods GIFT of Salvation…
Does Prepare that man TO Serve the Lord God…
But Does NOT “Prevent, Stop” a man from, Making Choices To “Serve himself”…

Which such Facts Paul himself addressed With frustration, “dying daily”.

A man HAVING Gods Gift of Salvation…
Is Expressly and Assuredly “cementing” his Bond WITH The Lord God, ONCE, Always and FOREVER.
That Gift DOES NOT “expressly, assuredly” BIND / cement that man … TO Every OTHER manKIND.

A man Having the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation…
Shall “BE REWARDED” ( With Treasures stored in Heaven )…
WHEN the Lord Returns.

That (same) “Rewarded man”… shall Have ALL of “his own works Burned”, (WHICH such of “his works”…) did NOT, glorify God and His Great Name.

Do you “KNOW” the ONE WORKS “of God” a man “having Faith” MUST Do ( and IF the man Does NOT do… his FAITH is Dead?

 

[GodsGrace]

From the moment of OUR natural birth…
ALL of OUR works are done by OUR OWN FREEWILL choosing.



Yes. The Lords Teaching. A man Can Hear, Can Learn, Can Freely Choose To Do, or Not.



Not True.

Salvation IS a Gift From God…
For A man to ESTABLISH A one on / with one Relationship BETWEEN That man AND the Lord God.
BY A mans natural Spirits Belief IN the Lord God.

Which “IS” a man DOING the WORKS of God…
Not the man Doing the Works of the Man.
Which “WITHOUT” a man DOING that ONE WORKS “of God”….
Goes the Meaning…
“Faith “WITHOUT” Works (Gods Works) … IS Dead.”
THE Mystery to some… IS:
WHAT IS the ONE WORKS “OF” God, a man MUST DO… TO BE a candidate TO RECEIVE the Lord Gods Gift Offering “of” Salvation.




Not True.



Matt 6:16 is a teaching “To let your light shine…”. A Teaching of How to “work / serve God….”
Not a teaching… THAT EVERY one (with or in) Him DOES, “let his light shine”.

A man HAVING the Lords Gift of Salvation… IS a man, PREPARED to Serve the Lord God…in a Fashion, manner HE taught.

Be Honest…
Many Humans Do have a one on Relationship WITH (some) WITH-IN the Lord God…
YET…
The Same…
Lie, cheat, steal, extort, embezzle, over indulge in drugs, sexual prowess, murder, AGAINST other manKIND…
AND…IF not actively a participant themselves…
Encourage, Excuse, Support Others WHO knowingly DO “participate” in ANY such activities.

A man HAVING the Lord Gods GIFT of Salvation…
Does Prepare that man TO Serve the Lord God…
But Does NOT “Prevent, Stop” a man from, Making Choices To “Serve himself”…

Sorry Taken,,,,I really don't know what you're saying.
Those above ARE NOT CHRISTIAN persons.

A Christian person does PREPARE to do works for God.

Jesus plainly said to let our light shine so that our good works may be seen and we give glory to God.
Matthew 5.16, as I posted.

Which such Facts Paul himself addressed With frustration, “dying daily”.

A man HAVING Gods Gift of Salvation…
Is Expressly and Assuredly “cementing” his Bond WITH The Lord God, ONCE, Always and FOREVER.
That Gift DOES NOT “expressly, assuredly” BIND / cement that man … TO Every OTHER manKIND.

A man Having the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation…
Shall “BE REWARDED” ( With Treasures stored in Heaven )…
WHEN the Lord Returns.

That (same) “Rewarded man”… shall Have ALL of “his own works Burned”, (WHICH such of “his works”…) did NOT, glorify God and His Great Name.

Do you “KNOW” the ONE WORKS “of God” a man “having Faith” MUST Do ( and IF the man Does NOT do… his FAITH is Dead?

So when YOU do a GOOD WORK,,,,
you're doing it for yourself?

So you do NOT do good works for God?
Paul explained that we do good works for God:


Titus 3:1-8
1 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed,
2 to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.

Before:

3Forwe also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.
4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

and after:

6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8 This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men.


Colossians 3:23-24
23 Whatever * you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than * for men,
24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord Christ whom you serve.

 

[Taken]

Sorry Taken,,,,I really don't know what you're saying.
Those above ARE NOT CHRISTIAN persons.

A Christian person does PREPARE to do works for God.

A person calling themselves “a Christian”…
Can be a Learner, a Follower, a Doer, Believer, Unsure, not Saved, Saved, Prepared (by God) to Serve, Serve or Not.

Jesus plainly said to let our light shine so that our good works may be seen and we give glory to God.
Matthew 5.16, as I posted.

Not news and not disputed.
Jesus said lots of things… all “Christian’s” doing everything Jesus said… plainly just doesn’t happen.

So when YOU do a GOOD WORK,,,,
you're doing it for yourself?

* Sure. I daily do things for myself …
Cook, work, eat, shower, mow, muck, clean, laundry, shop, draw, tend animals, etc.

So you do NOT do good works for God?

Sure I do.
* daily spend time with the Lord, prayer, conversations, thank, bless, study His Word.
* As well, give charity, help neighbors, share the gospel and blessing when I see others, strangers or not.
^ ^ Which is “for Gods Glory”.

Paul explained that we do good works for God:
Titus 3:1-8
1 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed,
2 to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.

Before:

3Forwe also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.
4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

and after:

6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8 This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men.


Colossians 3:23-24
23 Whatever * you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than * for men,
24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord Christ whom you serve.

Being informed / guided does not equal a person Doing.

I am content in what I do to Glorify God.

The WORK that man MUST DO, IS a WORK God DID, called a man Doing the Work OF God…
And Failure for a man TO DO SO…
“is Called… The man having Faith without Works…AKA…. dead Faith.”

Faith is a gift from God… For “Hearing” the Word of God.
A man who hears and hears and hears, BUT DOES NOT “Believe”…. Did not work the Works of God… thus the mans Faith IS Dead.

A man WHO hears, is gifted Faith….
“And IF he Believes” he has worked the work of God.

All other “works” a man does… neither gains him salvation or keeps salvation.

Jesus plainly said, answering a question posed to Him.

John 6:
[28] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.