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Denying the divinity of Jesus to insist Jesus was a mere man certainly does imply that.
Jesus is the Son of his God
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I did not deny his divinity you said,
I responded
I certainly dont believe that
I don’t deny that Jesus is divine, nor do I believe that he is a mere man. Unbelieving Jewish monotheists do.
Have you read the works of the Gnostics?
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Luke 3:32 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said,
Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Luke 3:32 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said,
Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
“Here’s the truth. Not only was Jesus Jewish but so were his closest disciples and almost all of his first followers. In fact, the whole movement was decidedly Jewish.“
rebekahsimonpeter.com
Was Jesus a Jew or a Christian? The Historical Answer — and Why It Matters
Jesus was Jewish. - He was born Jewish, lived as a Jewish rabbi, taught from the Hebrew Scriptures, and died as a Jew. His disciples were Jewish. His earliest followers were Jewish. Christianity began as a Jewish renewal movement within first-century Judaism. - Understanding this historical...
rebekahsimonpeter.com
Jewish is ethnicity, Christian is a religion.“Here’s the truth. Not only was Jesus Jewish but so were his closest disciples and almost all of his first followers. In fact, the whole movement was decidedly Jewish.“
Was Jesus a Jew or a Christian? The Historical Answer — and Why It Matters
Jesus was Jewish. - He was born Jewish, lived as a Jewish rabbi, taught from the Hebrew Scriptures, and died as a Jew. His disciples were Jewish. His earliest followers were Jewish. Christianity began as a Jewish renewal movement within first-century Judaism. - Understanding this historical...
His first followers were Christians, of course. First of Jewish origin, but quickly the majority was of Gentile origin. And I mean quickly. In few years.
Thanks for your reply.
This isn’t difficult. Jesus is a Jew. His religion is Judaism. Christianity began as a sect within Judaism.
What Religion Was Jesus? - Jews for Jesus
Historians agree, Jesus was a first-century teacher of Judaism, a rabbi. But then what kind of Judaism did Jesus teach?
jewsforjesus.org
“Jesus is not a man” -> a distinct characteristic teaching of the Gnostics. ”He only appeared to be a man.”
Well, it seems it is difficult, because many people still repeat this nonsense. Jesus did not follow any standard definition of Judaism. And surely had nothing to do with the current Judaism which is a totally man-made religion developed after the temple was destroyed.Thanks for your reply.
This isn’t difficult. Jesus is a Jew. His religion is Judaism. Christianity began as a sect within Judaism.
What Religion Was Jesus? - Jews for Jesus
Historians agree, Jesus was a first-century teacher of Judaism, a rabbi. But then what kind of Judaism did Jesus teach?jewsforjesus.org
It’s not difficult as it seems to you and it’s not nonsense. It’s basic New Testament history.
I’ve quoted elsewhere from the New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology: Jesus made the creed of Judaism his own.
I’m talking about 1st century Judaism.
Jesus was Messiah that came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, to finish them and to bring the kingdom of God.
I do not know in which universe He could be called to just follow any kind of Judaism. He came to bring revolution and to teach His new teachings to His disciples.
The standard "Judaism" would be represented by Pharisees and by the chief priests in His time.
The sect of Judaism he founded will never end. All other sects of Judaism will end.
There is no reason to call it "a sect of Judaism". The kingdom of God is not a sect of Judaism. The Law and the Prophets were given only as a preparation for it and ended in the first century.
It is called a sect of Judaism, and acknowledged to be so by Christian and Jewish scholarship, because that is what it is.
Nope. The kingdom of God is not a part of Judaism and neither is the Son of God or even God himself. The Law and the prophets ended in the first century and anything "Jewish" after that is not related to anything else than to flesh.
Interestingly, the only two occurrences of the word "Judaism" in the New Testament are these:
For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it.
And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people...
Gal 1:13-14
This really does not support your hypothesis that Christianity is Judaism.
It’s not my hypothesis. It’s an historical fact that is well documented by Christian and Jewish scholars.
Academic categorization works in a bit different way than the theological one.
Christianity does not identify itself to be Judaism or a part of Judaism. That is why you will not find this in any historical Christian work. If anything, Christianity identified itself as being in the opposition to Judaism.
However, for modern academic purposes, they may see it as related because it has begun in the cultural background of "Judaism".. But such categorization is not relevant for us. As Paul says, Judaism was his former way of life, but his new life was in Christ.
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