Jesus is the Son of his God
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Good morning Matthias, how are you all? We have learned that Yeshua is the Son Of The Living GOD.
Love, Walter and Debbie
Those who are saying that Jesus isn’t a Jew and that he doesn’t have a theology are firmly committed to that belief. I seldom encounter them.
A non-Jewish Jesus who has no theology is not the Jesus whom I see in scripture. A Jewish Jesus who has a theology is not the Jesus whom they see in scripture.
Nevertheless, I think they would agree with me in recommending that everyone read the scriptures daily. That’s as generous to them as I can be.
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Matthias, we have personally taken His yoke upon ourselves and learning from Him: Matthew 11:25-30
Love, Walter
Would you agree that John’s prologue as presented in the Geneva Bible represents my theological perspective?
I do not read the Geneva Bible, but I doubt I would agree your theological perspective is in the Bible.
No reason to, we have more current translations. And I read such passages mostly in Greek.
You’ll learn something important by reading what Bible Gateway calls “a superb translation”.
So did the translators of the Geneva Bible.
Sorry, but such claims do not impress me. I am not a child to fall for marketing.
However, if you prefer the reformation works, then how do you deal with this?
John Calvin (Commentary on Matthew, 16th century), English translation: "Judaism... is altogether a shadow, and hath nothing in it but figures."
Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543), English translation: "Judaism is a stench before God and an open, manifest, and atrocious idolatry."
Pierre Bayle (Dictionnaire historique et critique, 1697), English translation: "Judaism... has been preserved by ceremonies and laws, but it is opposed to the Christian faith."
John Calvin (Commentary on Matthew, 16th century), English translation: "Judaism... is altogether a shadow, and hath nothing in it but figures."
Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543), English translation: "Judaism is a stench before God and an open, manifest, and atrocious idolatry."
Pierre Bayle (Dictionnaire historique et critique, 1697), English translation: "Judaism... has been preserved by ceremonies and laws, but it is opposed to the Christian faith."
How can you make a decision one way or the other when you haven’t read it yourself?
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I would deal with it by pointing out that they aren’t speaking about the Messiah’s sect of Judaism.
I am not interested. There are more modern translations and I like to read such passages directly in Greek. I do not need the Geneva Bible for anything.
Christianity? Or some other one?
They did not consider Christianity to be a part of Judaism, obviously. And neither did Paul, actually. And neither do Jews. Etc.
I’m very interested in the history of Bible translations.
You need it if you want to see the answer to your question for yourself. I posted a link to it for you but I can’t force you to read it.
Christianity.
That’s right. Christianity and Judaism went their separate ways late in the 1st century.
I’ve already dealt with that.
Most Jews in the 1st century didn’t. (Many did.) Most Jews today still don’t.
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There is a sect that teaches Jesus was a mere man whom God used to channel his power and perform miracles. And those believers insist Jesus was a Jewish man of that purpose.
Then there is the Bible that tells us Jesus was God incarnate. The Word made flesh.
That's not a mere man. That's what early Greeks would call a demigod. Part mortal,part God.
The idea that God is a Jew is Sophistry.
Jesus was God on Earth. Calling all people to himself through fulfillment of the prophecy in Hebrew scrolls that promised a Messiah. A Messiah is a saviour or liberator of a group of people.
He was born into a Jewish culture. However,God was not ,since Jesus was God here, and is not a Jew.
There are those who insist that's not true.
Their ideology isn't God's.
Romans 2:28 For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. 29 No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people.
What would I be considered? I believe the Word (Who was with God in the beginning) and who was God was made flesh (and so made a man) as a man made (or "born" if you must) of a woman made under the law (Who would prophetically spring out of Judah) and to whom were given words for us by God (His Father) .
The Word having been made flesh is now the man Jesus (Who God/ The LORD, His Father has made both Lord and Christ). Having been made a man did live by God (His Father's) power, and by Whom Jesus (the Word made flesh) did his works. Who spoke as the Father taught him, and by commandment and did nothing of himself (being emptied of his former power), living by His Father's.
That the Word (who was made a man) was not alone, but the Father was with Him.
In otherwords, the Word (which WAS God) made flesh (a man) but was still with God (The Most high, even the Father himself) while in this world, but the Word (alone) was made flesh, while it pleased the Father the His fulness did indwell him.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell
Luke 3:32 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said,
Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
2 Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God:
for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
Again,
Many good works have I shewed you from my Father
2 Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ
This is also how I understand Thomas here as well
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Acts 10:38... for God was with him.
That is how I see it, I hate using my own words for a thing, but thats the jist, I think I stayed close to how it is worded in scripture.
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