Jesus is the Son of his God

[Matthias]

So, let me get this straight - where is the "creed of Judaism" you are talking about so much? Where? In what Jewish group?

Are you interested in church history?

You should know this. It‘s part of your spiritual heritage.

”Shema Yisrael, sometimes considered the most important prayer in Judaism (‘Hear O Israel, YHWH our God, YHWH is one’) was banned, as a denial of the Trinity.”

Code of Justinian - OrthodoxWiki

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The power of the Roman government enforced the Church / Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The law legislated that it could not be recited within the borders of the empire.

The Shema is the creed of Judaism. It’s part of my spiritual heritage.

It isn’t for you. Now you know why. It’s the affirmation of the unitary monotheism of Israel; a denial of the Trinity.

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Remember the NIDNTT quote I provided in post #340? Roman law banned the creed, the fundamental confession of Judaism, which Jesus made his own.

 

[Matthias]

“Hebrew prayer was banned, the Sh’ma was condemned as being anti-trinitarian ...”

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[HealthyShape]

The Greek word monogenés (μονογενής) most certainly refers to a creation of even a human being.

It refers to a uniquely begotten human being of a singular kind. It describes a human created through a distinct process of fertilization of a human egg. It does not, and never has, meant a fictional or flawed concept of the Father God transforming Himself into a human being, complete with a human body He provided for Himself, which is the sacred term incarnation upheld by strict trinitarians.

Indeed, it signifies "only one of its kind," "unique," or a "one and only form of human creation." In the New Testament, it is commonly used to describe Jesus Christ as the "only begotten Son," or more precisely, the "one and only Son" of God, highlighting His unique creation, birth, and exclusive relationship with the Father, which clearly implies a unique type of physical begetting, of conception and fertilization for this to take place.

Also, 'Logos' is not a person.....unless one practices circular logic, and other various forms of word manipulation to enforce an agenda.

The Father is a person, The Logos is a person and the Holy Spirit is a person.

Monogenés is not about creation, but about a unique begetting.

The Son (the Logos) was begotten by the Father before being born from Mary as a human. It is not about any egg fertilization. The gospel of John does not even mention the birth of Jesus, so it is not a valid part of the context. Are you a Jehovah Witness? Or where do you come from?

 

[HealthyShape]

Are you interested in church history?

You should know this. It‘s part of your spiritual heritage.

”Shema Yisrael, sometimes considered the most important prayer in Judaism (‘Hear O Israel, YHWH our God, YHWH is one’) was banned, as a denial of the Trinity.”

Code of Justinian - OrthodoxWiki

orthodoxwiki.org

The power of the Roman government enforced the Church / Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The law legislated that it could not be recited within the borders of the empire.

The Shema is the creed of Judaism. It’s part of my spiritual heritage.

It isn’t for you. Now you know why. It’s the affirmation of the unitary monotheism of Israel; a denial of the Trinity.

***

Remember the NIDNTT quote I provided in post #340? Roman law banned the creed, the fundamental confession of Judaism, which Jesus made his own.

It is like saying that stoning Christians by Jews is a part of your spiritual heritage. We all stand and fall for ourselves, we do not inherit anything.

 

[MonoBiblical]

The gospel was the kingdom of God is near. so really?

ONE GOSPEL for ALL Nations = GENESIS chapter 3 , Isaiah 49:5-6 , John chapters 1 thru 4 , Galatians & Ephesians

One SAVIOR/Gospel for ALL Nations
5“And now the Lord says,
Who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant,
To bring Jacob back to Him,
So that Israel is gathered to Him
(For I shall be glorious in the eyes of the Lord,
And My God shall be My strength),
6Indeed He says,
‘It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob,
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My Salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

Galatians 3:8
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the Gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”
So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

This does not prove the word is singular in existence or special in Greek or Hebrew. There is good news for Abraham, and good news for the early 1st century Church.

 

[JustMe]

The Father is a person, The Logos is a person and the Holy Spirit is a person.

Monogenés is not about creation, but about a unique begetting.

The Son (the Logos) was begotten by the Father before being born from Mary as a human. It is not about any egg fertilization. The gospel of John does not even mention the birth of Jesus, so it is not a valid part of the context. Are you a Jehovah Witness? Or where do you come from?

Believe as you wish.

Begotten or Begetting begs for a beginning as in conception and birth don't you think. You were begotten of your parents I would think. And yours was unique although Christ's beginning was very special and one of a kind don't you think, of the Spirit of God.

 

[HealthyShape]

Believe as you wish.

Of course, we are on Christian forums, no surprise that I have Christian beliefs, right?

Begotten or Begetting begs for a beginning as in conception and birth don't you think. You were begotten of your parents I would think. And yours was unique although Christ's beginning was very special and one of a kind don't you think, of the Spirit of God.

I notice that you do not want to answer what is your background.

The Son (the Logos) was begotten before the time began. He was, so to speak, begotten eternally. Time is only our perception of our physical universe, nothing inherent to God.

 

[Matthias]

It is like saying that stoning Christians by Jews is a part of your spiritual heritage.

It would be if my spiritual heritage was unbelieving Jews. My spiritual heritage is believing Jews. Believing Jews didn’t stone Christians; they were the earliest Christians.

We all stand and fall for ourselves, we do not inherit anything.

“Heritage: a person’s racial, ethnic, religious or cultural background.”

heritage

1. features belonging to the culture of a particular society, such as…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Everyone has a heritage. Your religious heritage is trinitarianism. You didn’t develop it yourself; the church did, over a period of several hundred years. It’s been with us since the 4th century. You stand in that long line of history.

You aren’t the first trinitarian. You won’t be the last trinitarian.

Trinitarianism stands against the Shema.

Do you affirm the Nicene Creed?

Do you support the “one gods” teaching that was introduced in the thread yesterday?

 

[Matthias]

Are you interested in church history?

You should know this. It‘s part of your spiritual heritage.

”Shema Yisrael, sometimes considered the most important prayer in Judaism (‘Hear O Israel, YHWH our God, YHWH is one’) was banned, as a denial of the Trinity.”

Code of Justinian - OrthodoxWiki

orthodoxwiki.org

The power of the Roman government enforced the Church / Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The law legislated that it could not be recited within the borders of the empire.

The Shema is the creed of Judaism. It’s part of my spiritual heritage.

It isn’t for you. Now you know why. It’s the affirmation of the unitary monotheism of Israel; a denial of the Trinity.

***

Remember the NIDNTT quote I provided in post #340? Roman law banned the creed, the fundamental confession of Judaism, which Jesus made his own.

Do you see the similarity between the Roman Empire and the “Christians Only” forums @HealthyShape? “Other Faith” members don’t have the privilege of speaking there. These are segregated forums.

 

[David in NJ]

This does not prove the word is singular in existence or special in Greek or Hebrew. There is good news for Abraham, and good news for the early 1st century Church.

Sure it does - and - Abraham is another evidence of this!!!

Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.
Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My Day, and he saw it and was glad.”

SHALOM in "My Day"

 

[Matthias]

Sure it does - and - Abraham is another evidence of this!!!

Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.
Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My Day, and he saw it and was glad.”

SHALOM in "My Day"

The Messiah’s day comes long after Abraham’s day, and yet Abraham saw it. How did Abraham see the Messiah’s day? William Barclay did a masterful job explaining how he did.

Post in thread 'John 8:56-59'
John 8:56-59

 

[David in NJ]

The Messiah’s day comes long after Abraham’s day, and yet Abraham saw it. How did Abraham see the Messiah’s day? William Barclay did a masterful job explaining how he did.

Post in thread 'John 8:56-59'
John 8:56-59

i do not know who 'Barclay' is but i Know HIM who teaches me His Truth.

i KNOW how Abraham saw JESUS Day = and so should you

 

[Matthias]

i do not know who 'Barclay' is …

Trinitarian minister. Church of Scotland. He wrote a Commentary on the New Testament. I quoted from his Commentary on John in the thread which I gave you the link for.

William Barclay (theologian) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[David in NJ]

Trinitarian minister. Church of Scotland. He wrote a Commentary on the New Testament. I quoted from his Commentary on John in the thread which I gave you the link for.

William Barclay (theologian) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No need = but thank you

Abraham saw/WITNESSED JESUS DAY = so simple and easy to SEE in Genesis

i love my Heavenly FATHER's Word = it's like a children's coloring book and a connect the dots

 

[David in NJ]

No need = but thank you

Abraham saw/WITNESSED JESUS DAY = so simple and easy to SEE in Genesis

i love my Heavenly FATHER's Word = it's like a children's coloring book and a connect the dots

JESUS Day is all been laid out for us to SEE

Problem is our minds were darkened against the Holy Scriptures.

SomeONE came to CLEAR things UP for us to SEE

 

[David in NJ]

Trinitarian minister. Church of Scotland. He wrote a Commentary on the New Testament. I quoted from his Commentary on John in the thread which I gave you the link for.

William Barclay (theologian) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

JESUS Day is all been laid out for us to SEE

Problem is our minds were darkened against the Holy Scriptures.

SomeONE came to CLEAR things UP for us to SEE

 

[Matthias]

No need = but thank you

You’re welcome. Others might find it insightful.

Abraham saw/WITNESSED JESUS DAY = so simple and easy to SEE in Genesis

The Messiah’s day is prophesied in Genesis. Abraham saw into the future.

i love my Heavenly FATHER's Word = it's like a children's coloring book and a connect the dots

The ancient rabbis called it “stringing pearls”.

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[JustMe]

Of course, we are on Christian forums, no surprise that I have Christian beliefs, right?


I notice that you do not want to answer what is your background.

The Son (the Logos) was begotten before the time began. He was, so to speak, begotten eternally. Time is only our perception of our physical universe, nothing inherent to God.

Is there any scriptural evidence for a unique eternal begetting of anyone? Scripture refers only to human begetting, which includes Jesus, the Christ. Begetting means more than just a special Father-Son relationship; it signifies new life that is received or gained.

You have been misled into thinking that the common and traditional term 'begotten' as applied to Jesus cannot be a human concept. This word has been appropriated and given a dual meaning—one for Jesus and the traditional sense for everyone else. This change is solely because it does not align with the doctrine of the Trinity. It is yet another instance of human religious ideas modifying scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

Is there any scriptural evidence for a unique eternal begetting of anyone? Scripture refers only to human begetting, which includes Jesus, the Christ.

JESUS had a earthly father that impregnated Mary???

Did Joseph impregnate Mary???

 

[JustMe]

JESUS had a earthly father that impregnated Mary???

Did Joseph impregnate Mary???

Did you get a knock on the head or not enough sleep last night as I will not rely to you again on something you already should have read. See my comment at #446. I would recommend you think about things more before writing, or just comment less.