Jesus is the Son of his God

[MonoBiblical]

I’ll simplfy it for you. The post you liked is true or the post you liked is false.

The Talmud says an old LXX says "I shall make man..."

 

[Matthias]

Lots of people might disagree with something I like, if they want to further discuss it we are here.

But as far as God and Christ go, they tell us very specifically God made Jesus both Lord and Christ

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

How can that be if Jesus is LORD and not Lord, well, because the Word was made so by the God who said, LET US (and is speaking to someone that is HID from us) and here we can see that was Jesus Christ

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Regardless of that He is adressed as God by the Father (revealing who that "LET US" is)

Heb 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
Heb 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

God is calling this one God, God THY GOD, as the head of Christ IS God, His Father is the Most High.

But when Jesus ascended he went to His God and Our God and His Father and our Father, and for us (because of God the Father has done for us by Jesus Christ) we have one God, even the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ.

Every knee shall bow every tongue confess Jesus is Lord

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Phil 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.
Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Ephes 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephes 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

What you liked is either true or false. I said what you liked is true. He said what you liked is false.

You liked and swallowed a falsehood - him

You liked and swallowed the truth - me

 

[Matthias]

So this rendering hasn't changed since Wycliffe. Interesting. I thought I could blame Willian Tyndale.

Wycliffe translated Jerome’s Vulgate (which is written in Latin) into English. If you’re looking for someone to blame, blame the trinitarian translators of the Protestant Reformation. They understood that Gk. logos = Heb. davar. The word which John was speaking about in his prologue isn’t a person who was with God and was God. The word John was speaking about in his prologue is God’s davar. It was God’s davar that was with him and was him. When God spoke the creation into existence he was expressing his davar. In other words, God was speaking into existence what he had planned in his mind. The creation of the heavens and the earth and all that was in it was by design.

Does the decision those trinitarian translators made disprove the doctrine of the Trinity? No. If it had they wouldn’t have remained trinitarians. They were and remained trinitarian to the core.

 

[Muna]

What you liked is either true or false. I said what you liked is true. He said what you liked is false.

You liked and swallowed a falsehood - him

You liked and swallowed the truth - me

Why is it such a big deal to you?

I'm always like, "So what"? Someone who might disagree with me?

Thats not a new thing.

But if @David in NJ would like to tell me his reasons for this, or show me why he might understand it differently, I am willing to listen.

I will just wait on him to do so, I'll ask now...

@David in NJ what is your understanding of The LORD said to my Lord (who I regard as the Son of God, Jesus Christ) there in the Psalm 110:1

Mentioned here

Mark 12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Mark 12:36 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

The apostles clarify this here in Acts 2:36

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Let me show the context a couple verses back here

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

That is God the Father (the LORD) and the Son (whom God made Lord and Christ See Acts 2:36)

Jesus said,

Mark 12:36 David therefore himself calleth him Lord;

The acknowledgment come by the Holy Ghost

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord

Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost

Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Of the Son of God, made Lord and Christ.

 

[Matthias]

Why is it such a big deal to you?

I'm always like, "So what"? Someone who might disagree with me?

Thats not a new thing.

But if @David in NJ would like to tell me his reasons for this, or show me why he might understand it differently, I am willing to listen.

I will just wait on him to do so, I'll ask now...

@David in NJ what is your understanding of The LORD said to my Lord (who I regard as the Son of God, Jesus Christ) there in the Psalm 110:1

Mentioned here

Mark 12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Mark 12:36 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

The apostles clarify this here in Acts 2:36

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Let me show the context a couple verses back here

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

That is God the Father (the LORD) and the Son (whom God made Lord and Christ See Acts 2:36)

Jesus said,

Mark 12:36 David therefore himself calleth him Lord;

The acknowledgment come by the Holy Ghost

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord

Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost

Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Of the Son of God, made Lord and Christ.

Why is it not a big deal to you? According to him you and I are believing a lie.

We swallow the truth, the truth is in us. We swallow a lie, the truth is not in us. That’s a big deal.

Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. A falsehood is evil.

He’s the one who swallowed the falsehood; not you. Do you not care about him? I do.

 

[Muna]

Why is it not a big deal to you? According to him you and I are believing a lie.

I have not followed every posted he posted. Do you know how many sects there are within christianity which call someone a liar because they dont understand as they do? Too many, so I certainly would not hang anyone for not fully grasping the mystery between the Father and the Son, I just wouldn't. We grow in our understanding, we should take the scriptures, let those correct us along the way. Some things are hard to be uttered, and not all (myself included) are as skilful in the word as we might desire to be, but we should be willing to hear the corrections given us in the scriptures given us in things.

We swallow the truth, the truth is in us. We swallow a lie, the truth is not in us. That’s a big deal.

No one wants to believe in a lie, we pretty much begin there and come to the knowledge of the truth.

I missed where you corrected him or what he supposedly said, I have your word concerning this but I have yet to look over what you are blowing a gasket on over here.

Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. A falsehood is evil.

Sometimes a little grace goes a long way, sometimes we are children in our understanding, I think scripture allows for this no?

Isaiah 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

He’s the one who swallowed the falsehood. Do you not care about him?

You keep saying but havent shown me what he swallowed yet, I only have your word.

I have agreed with one of your posts and now you are making me answer for something David in NJ said which I have not sifted through.

This is kind of strange, I would like to answer for my own

 

[dak]

Echad has the same capacity of Plurality as Elohim = more then one


Echad (אֶחָד) is a Hebrew word that means "one" or "unity," often used to express the concept of a unified oneness rather than a solitary number. It is notably featured in the Shema, a central declaration of the Jewish faith, emphasizing the oneness of

Echad is the numeral 1. It doesn’t mean more than one.

Listen to the teacher count from 1-10 in Hebrew. You’ll even hear her say “One coffee, please”. You know that one coffee isn’t more than one coffee.

@Matthias, yeah, that's probably the best way to refute the nonsense. Another example would be the numbered days in the opening creation account. The first day is called Yom Echad. Does that mean some sort of secret unity or unified oneness? If so then the same should be true for the remainder of the days. The second is Yom Sheni. Does that therefore mean some sort of secret unified two-ness? Of course not. Are there other Hebrew words for the type of unified oneness in the first post I quoted above? Yes, there are, which you probably already know about.

 

[Matthias]

I have not followed every posted he posted. Do you know how many sects there are within christianity which call someone a liar because they dont understand as they do? Too many, so I certainly would not hang anyone for not fully grasping the mystery between the Father and the Son, I just wouldn't. We grow in our understanding, we should take the scriptures, let those correct us along the way. Some things are hard to be uttered, and not all (myself included) are as skilful in the word as we might desire to be, but we should be willing to hear the corrections given us in the scriptures given us in things.



No one wants to believe in a lie, we pretty much begin there and come to the knowledge of the truth.

I missed where you corrected him or what he supposedly said, I have your word concerning this but I have yet to look over what you are blowing a gasket on over here.



Sometimes a little grace goes a long way, sometimes we are children in our understanding, I think scripture allows for this no?

Isaiah 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.


You keep saying but havent shown me what he swallowed yet, I only have your word.

I have agreed with one of your posts and now you are making me answer for something David in NJ said which I have not sifted through.

This is kind of strange, I would like to answer for my own

See his posts for yourself. That’s what he wants you to do. That’s what I want you to do.

 

[Muna]

I have to make dinner, be back in a bit

 

[Muna]

See his posts for yourself. That’s what he wants you to do. That’s what I want you to do.

How far back do I have to go, I had asked earlier if someone could give me an idea of where a problem was because I was apparently missing where the contention was, and I have yet to receive anything except go look.

He should answer for himself and his own words, but I will take a look after dinner again, just tell me how far back am I supposed to go?

 

[David in NJ]

@Truly
Let's SEE what the scripture says in Acts 2:

Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

36“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

question: Who is at the Right Hand of God?
’

 

[Matthias]

How far back do I have to go, I had asked earlier if someone could give me an idea of where a problem was because I was apparently missing where the contention was, and I have yet to receive anything except go look.

He should answer for himself and his own words, but I will take a look after dinner again, just tell me how far back am I supposed to go?

You’ll have to go back to post #325. If he wants you to go back any further than that then I’m sure he’ll tell you so.

 

[Muna]

@Truly
Let's SEE what the scripture says in Acts 2:

Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

36“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

question: Who is at the Right Hand of God?
’

I posted that very verses, its Jesus whom God made Lord and Christ


Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,
sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,
despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

My wife is Jewish and my children are Jewish and i have Chabad rabbis who are my friends, one of which who my wife and i were witnessing to received JESUS as His Messiah and Savior.

This SAVED Jewish rabbi said this to me: "the rabbis are WRONG and they do not know Scripture"

Your comments about GENESIS and the jewish rabbis who hate CHRIST are on the WRONG side of TRUTH.

I don't believe a word of that.
Not one bit.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/776104/jewish/FAQ.htm

Where you showed your hand was in condemning the Jews for killing Jesus.

What you don't realize is what Christians know, is the Bible tells us Salvation is of the Jews.

Jesus told Judas to go and do what he must do. And later Judas was condemned as having betrayed Jesus.

Had it not been for the Roman Pilate, and the Jews, and Judas, Jesus would not have died on the cross. He would not have taken the Sins of the world upon himself there.

The Jews you condemn and imply are liars are the people of the book. Their Bible carried the prophecy of Messiah. And Jesus was him.

The Jews you imply are Christ killers were Gods chosen agents to insure Gods plan of Salvation was fulfilled.

And you claim to be Christian, married to a Jew and your children are Jews? With all the slurs you throw against the Jews?

No.

Dear God,how many posers are on this site?
God haters pretending to be one of us so to slander everything held dear in faith.


I would say,damn them. But God knows,they already are.

 

[Muna]

Right hand of God here, all things put under Christ

Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself,
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Acts 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

1 Cr 15:27 For he (God) hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him (Jesus), it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Jesus)

Heb 10:12 But this man (Jesus), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

 

[Muna]

Jewish monotheism is based on Torah/Holy Scriptures/5 Books = Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy

Jewish montheism claim the SHEMA speaks only of one/yachid God

HOWEVER, they do so in unbelief and in rebellion against Moses and the prophets for the SHEMA uses two plural words:
a.) Elohim (Gods)
b.) ECHAD = more then one that are act/unified as one

GENESIS Declares that Elohim is THREE = and the GOSPEL Declares Elohim is THREE = REVELATION Declares Elohim is THREE

Love you @Matthias

Do you mean for example, like the following

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

And coming in at that through what is written here?

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Color coded these to make the distinction between them

 

[dak]

How far back do I have to go, I had asked earlier if someone could give me an idea of where a problem was because I was apparently missing where the contention was, and I have yet to receive anything except go look.

He should answer for himself and his own words, but I will take a look after dinner again, just tell me how far back am I supposed to go?

I found it here: (Reply #383)

Sure it is = it's in english with incorrect words being substituted

Echad Elohim = if we were to correctly translate this to english it would be "as one gods"

Since we cannot fully grasp this, JESUS came and demostrated the FATHER the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT to us.

Jesus is the Son of his God

Post #340 isn’t false advertising. The quote from NIDNTT (a trinitarian source) is the scriptural documentation of who the one God is in scripture. Post 379 UPdated

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Muna]

I found it here: (Reply #383)

Jesus is the Son of his God

Post #340 isn’t false advertising. The quote from NIDNTT (a trinitarian source) is the scriptural documentation of who the one God is in scripture. Post 379 UPdated

www.christianityboard.com

For us there is one God, even the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ

Even though God the Father adresses the Son as God here

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Seeing the Word is God which was also with God. I cannot tell if he just acknowledging that the Word is God and the Father is God and the Holy Ghost is also God and adding that S makes him hellbound, we can pray for his soul.

 

[David in NJ]

I don't believe a word of that.
Not one bit.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/776104/jewish/FAQ.htm

Where you showed your hand was in condemning the Jews for killing Jesus.

What you don't realize is what Christians know, is the Bible tells us Salvation is of the Jews.

Jesus told Judas to go and do what he must do. And later Judas was condemned as having betrayed Jesus.

Had it not been for the Roman Pilate, and the Jews, and Judas, Jesus would not have died on the cross. He would not have taken the Sins of the world upon himself there.

The Jews you condemn and imply are liars are the people of the book. Their Bible carried the prophecy of Messiah. And Jesus was him.

The Jews you imply are Christ killers were Gods chosen agents to insure Gods plan of Salvation was fulfilled.

And you claim to be Christian, married to a Jew and your children are Jews? With all the slurs you throw against the Jews?

No.

Dear God,how many posers are on this site?
God haters pretending to be one of us so to slander everything held dear in faith.


I would say,damn them. But God knows,they already are.

You dare condemn the Lord Jesus Christ for His slurs against the Jews who betrayed Him?

Then Pilate said to Him, “Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?”

Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”

You dare condemn the Apostle Paul and the Saints? - 1 Thess 2:14-15
For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the Judeans, who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.


In your ignorance of the Scriptures you dare condemn Stephen? - Read Acts 6:8 thru ch7

“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One,
of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it.”

@ProverbsInPink do you now side with those who condemned Stephen who was filled with the Holy Spirit?

 

[David in NJ]

Do you mean for example, like the following

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

And coming in at that through what is written here?

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Color coded these to make the distinction between them

Scripture interprets scripture

According to the Holy Scriptures which cannot lie, Who is at the Right Hand of God?

34“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

36“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”