Jesus is the Son of his God

[David in NJ]

Again, you are making no sense. Speak in a way that is coherent and understandable.

Thank you for highlighting my point of emphasis

 

[HealthyShape]

"sounds strange" ???

You never read this?

"Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden."

I did.... therefore? Underline the part "Scripture walked the earth" in the verse.

 

[David in NJ]

I did.... therefore? Underline the part "Scripture walked the earth" in the verse.

Open your eyes = pray to the Lord Jesus Christ = Luke 24:45

And as far as your mocking God's Lego Kit = the LORD used it many times when LOGOS became flesh and walked this earth a Second Time, this FIRST Time in the flesh, as a Man.

 

[HealthyShape]

Open your eyes = pray to the Lord Jesus Christ = Luke 24:45

And as far as your mocking God's Lego Kit = the LORD used it many times when LOGOS became flesh and walked this earth a Second Time, this FIRST Time in the flesh, as a Man.

Well, you are using quite an obscure way of communication, but I guess you think that Logos means "Scripture"? No, it does not. Scripture is graphé, not Logos.

Anyway, what was your point about the Lego, again? Try to be clear.

 

[David in NJ]

Well, you are using quite an obscure way of communication, but I guess you think that Logos means "Scripture"? No, it does not. Scripture is graphé, not Logos.

Anyway, what was your point about the Lego, again? Try to be clear.

Let's be clear then!!!

What is the formula/practice that the Scripture dictates to us that we may have clear vision and understanding from our Heavenly FATHER in His WORD.

God's Path to Truth and Understanding = Hebrews 11:1-3

Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see. This is why the ancients were commended.
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

We SEE/understand only when God sees our faith in His Word.

Peter is one example of The Way, that God wants us to know Him when Jesus asked the disciples "Who do men say I am?"

Peter's response thru faith said "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God"

Now COMPARE this to faithlessness in the Word = religion disguised as 'faith' = John ch8

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

Peter used God's Lego Kit of Faith in the Word to SEE who was Standing in front of him.
In CONTRAST, another group had the same Word standing in front of them but they could not SEE.

Can you SEE God's Lego Kit of = Faith in the Word???

 

[David in NJ]

Well, you are using quite an obscure way of communication, but I guess you think that Logos means "Scripture"? No, it does not. Scripture is graphé, not Logos.

Anyway, what was your point about the Lego, again? Try to be clear.

continued from Post 805

John 8:42 - When JESUS said to the Jewish leaders: "for I proceeded forth and came from God", had they been walking by faith in the Word, they would of used God's Lego Kit to add the Lego Block of Isaiah 9:6

"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

CLEAR as DAY

 

[HealthyShape]

Let's be clear then!!!

What is the formula/practice that the Scripture dictates to us that we may have clear vision and understanding from our Heavenly FATHER in His WORD.

God's Path to Truth and Understanding = Hebrews 11:1-3

Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see. This is why the ancients were commended.
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

We SEE/understand only when God sees our faith in His Word.

Peter is one example of The Way, that God wants us to know Him when Jesus asked the disciples "Who do men say I am?"

Peter's response thru faith said "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God"

Now COMPARE this to faithlessness in the Word = religion disguised as 'faith' = John ch8

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

Peter used God's Lego Kit of Faith in the Word to SEE who was Standing in front of him.
In CONTRAST, another group had the same Word standing in front of them but they could not SEE.

Can you SEE God's Lego Kit of = Faith in the Word???

I am not even trying to read this mess. Tell me your point in one clear sentence and without any quotes.

 

[David in NJ]

I am not even trying to read this mess. Tell me your point in one clear sentence and without any quotes.

conclusion is Post 806

 

[David in NJ]

It bears repeating -> elohim is a Hebrew word which is always, without exception, plural in form but almost never plural in meaning.

“Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, Son of the living God.” - Peter’s confession (Matthew 16:16).

Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, Son of the living elohim.

In the confession, I substituted the Hebrew word elohim, which is only and aways plural in form. Jesus isn’t the Son of the living gods.

Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, Son of the living theos.

In the confession, I substituted the Greek word theos, which is singular.

Jesus is the Son of the living God elohim / theos.

In Peter’s confession, there is no plurality in the word ”God”. It isn’t plural in English. It isn’t plural in Greek. It isn’t plural in Hebrew. It is singular in all three languages.

P.S.

Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of the Father. It is the Father who is the living God.

Jesus is the Son of God = thus making Him equal to His FATHER, who is GOD = Gospel, Acts , Apostles , Revelation

The Holy Spirit is also declared GOD in the scriptures as HE is the very Spirit of GOD = OT, Gospel and Acts

The Scriptures cannot lie = Genesis 1:26 "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"

John 14:23-24 - Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me.

 

[Matthias]

Jesus is the Son of God = thus making Him equal to His FATHER, who is GOD = Gospel, Acts , Apostles , Revelation

Yes, but only functionally equal. “The Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). The Messiah’s God is above the Messiah.

The Holy Spirit is also declared GOD in the scriptures as HE is the very Spirit of GOD = OT, Gospel and Acts

Your spirit is you. God’s Spirit is God.

The Scriptures cannot lie = Genesis 1:26 "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"

“The plural form of the verb has been the subject of much discussion through the years, and not surprisingly several suggestions have been put forward. Many Christian theologians interpret it as an early hint of plurality within the Godhead, but this view imposes later trinitarian concepts on the ancient text. Some have suggested the plural verb indicates majesty, but the plural majesty is not used with verbs. C. Westermann (Genesis, 1:145) argues for plural of ‘deliberation’ here, but his proposed examples of this use (2 Sam 24:14; Isa 6:8) do not actually support his theory. In 2 Sam 24:14 David uses the plural as representative of all Israel, and in Isa 6:8 the LORD speaks on behalf of his heavenly court. In its ancient Israelite context the plural is most naturally understood as God and his heavenly court (see 1 Kgs 22:19-22; Job 1:6-12; 2:1-6; Isa 6:1-8). (The most well-known members of this court are God’s messengers, or angels. In Gen 3:5the serpent may refer to this group as ‘gods/divine beings.’ See the note on the word ‘evil’ in 3:5). If this is the case, God invites the heavenly court to participate in the creation of humankind (perhaps in the role of offering praise, see Job 38:7) but he himself is the one who does the actual creative work (v. 27). Of course, this view does assume that the members of the heavenly court possess the divine ‘image’ in some way. Since the image is closely associated with rulership, perhaps they share the divine image in that they, together with God and under his royal authority, are the executive authority over the world.”

(NET Commentary on Genesis 1:26)

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Note that the trinitarian commentary concedes that your position is one of eisegesis - you are reading it into the text, not out of the text.

John 14:23-24 - Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, but only functionally equal. “The Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). The Messiah’s God is above the Messiah.



Your spirit is you. God’s Spirit is God.



“The plural form of the verb has been the subject of much discussion through the years, and not surprisingly several suggestions have been put forward. Many Christian theologians interpret it as an early hint of plurality within the Godhead, but this view imposes later trinitarian concepts on the ancient text. Some have suggested the plural verb indicates majesty, but the plural majesty is not used with verbs. C. Westermann (Genesis, 1:145) argues for plural of ‘deliberation’ here, but his proposed examples of this use (2 Sam 24:14; Isa 6:8) do not actually support his theory. In 2 Sam 24:14 David uses the plural as representative of all Israel, and in Isa 6:8 the LORD speaks on behalf of his heavenly court. In its ancient Israelite context the plural is most naturally understood as God and his heavenly court (see 1 Kgs 22:19-22; Job 1:6-12; 2:1-6; Isa 6:1-8). (The most well-known members of this court are God’s messengers, or angels. In Gen 3:5the serpent may refer to this group as ‘gods/divine beings.’ See the note on the word ‘evil’ in 3:5). If this is the case, God invites the heavenly court to participate in the creation of humankind (perhaps in the role of offering praise, see Job 38:7) but he himself is the one who does the actual creative work (v. 27). Of course, this view does assume that the members of the heavenly court possess the divine ‘image’ in some way. Since the image is closely associated with rulership, perhaps they share the divine image in that they, together with God and under his royal authority, are the executive authority over the world.”

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netbible.org

Note that the trinitarian commentary concedes that your position is one of eisegesis - you are reading it into the text, not out of the text.

Yes, but only functionally equal. “The Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). The Messiah’s God is above the Messiah.

When Elohim/God/Logos became flesh, HE/Logos that was God in the beginning, EMPTIED Himself = Phil 2:5-8

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross.

Your spirit is you. God’s Spirit is God.

The Word/Logos that was God from the beginning was never created.
The Word/Logos, being God from the beginning, is SPIRIT and the same Eternal SPIRIT as His FATHER = Romans 8:9 , John ch17

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Note that the trinitarian commentary concedes that your position is one of eisegesis

Because the FATHER has placed me in CHRIST and given His Holy Spirit to me, i do not follow "trinitarianism" nor am i subject to religion.

God the FATHER has answered JESUS prayer from 2,000 Years ago = and HE continues to do so = John ch17

“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

 

[Matthias]

When Elohim/God/Logos became flesh, HE/Logos that was God in the beginning, EMPTIED Himself = Phil 2:5-8

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross.


The Word/Logos that was God from the beginning was never created.
The Word/Logos, being God from the beginning, is SPIRIT and the same Eternal SPIRIT as His FATHER = Romans 8:9 , John ch17

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.


Because the FATHER has placed me in CHRIST and given His Holy Spirit to me, i do not follow "trinitarianism" nor am i subject to religion.

God the FATHER has answered JESUS prayer from 2,000 Years ago = and HE continues to do so = John ch17

“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

“Christians have traditionally seen [Genesis 1:26] as adumbrating the Trinity. It is now universally admitted that this was not what the plural meant to the original author.”

(Gordon J. Wenham, Word Biblical Commentary on Genesis, Vol. 1, p. 27)

You’re reading your position into the verse. It doesn’t hold water. No one living in biblical times believed about the text what you believe about it. You wouldn’t be persuaded by eisegesis done by others but you do it yourself and expect others to believe what you believe.

 

[David in NJ]

“Christians have traditionally seen [Genesis 1:26] as adumbrating the Trinity. It is now universally admitted that this was not what the plural meant to the orininal author.”

(Gordon J. Wenham, word Biblical Commentary on Genesis, Vol. 1, p. 27)

You are speaking/quoting from a religious viewpoint.

Only God's POV is TRUTH = Elohim/Plural = "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness" = Spoken 3 Times

From Genesis to Revelation the THREE/Us Our Our, are Speaking in Unison as Echad.
This is the Holy Spirit Truth revealed to the Apostle John in his very OPEN & DIRECT Validation of the Gospel that began in Genesis 1:1

This Eternal TRUTH is also Validated by the Apostle Paul = Romans 8:9
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[Matthias]

You are speaking/quoting from a religious viewpoint.

I’m quoting trinitarian scholarship against you. It supports my position and rejects yours.

When even trinitarian scholars reject your position, how much more am I going to?

Only God's POV is TRUTH = Elohim/Plural = Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"

From Genesis to Revelation the THREE/Us Our Our, are Speaking in Unison as Echad.
This is the Holy Spirit Truth revealed to the Apostle John in his very OPEN & DIRECT Validation of the Gospel that began in Genesis 1:1

 

[David in NJ]

I’m quoting trinitarian scholarship against you. It supports my position and rejects yours.

scholarship???

Scholarships are awards for men on earth = the same place where those 'scholarships' will remain when they die = on earth.

You can quote whoever you like = it does not matter before our Heavenly FATHER!!!
God's Word is TRUTH = PERIOD = you either believe the words of God or you don't

If you seek approval of men you will miss out on all that the FATHER desires to reveal to you.

When was the last time you believed JESUS at His word in this which HE emphasized to us??? = Matt 18:1-5
At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

Everyday is an opportunity for us to walk in our Heavenly FATHER's Kingdom in Christ as a "little child" that trusts ABBA.

 

[Matthias]

scholarship???

Scholarships are awards for men on earth = the same place where those 'scholarships' will remain when they die = on earth.

You can quote whoever you like = it does not matter before our Heavenly FATHER!!!
God's Word is TRUTH = PERIOD = you either believe the words of God or you don't

If you seek approval of men you will miss out on all that the FATHER desires to reveal to you.

When was the last time you believed JESUS at His word in this which HE emphasized to us??? = Matt 18:1-5
At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

Everyday is an opportunity for us to walk in our Heavenly FATHER's Kingdom in Christ as a "little child" that trusts ABBA.

I’m listening to them, not you. I know as well as they do that you’re reading your theology into the text, not out of it. It’s impossible for me to be persuaded by that.

Trinitarians vs. you. I’m going with the educated trinitarians.

If you can’t persuade them, you have no chance of persuading me.

 

[David in NJ]

I’m listening to them, not you. I know as well as they do that you’re reading your theology into the text, not out of it. It’s impossible for me to be persuaded by that.

Trinitarians vs. you. I’m going with the educated trinitarians.

If you can’t persuade them, you have no chance of persuading me.

The Path of Life is to listen to and believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God = Matt 4:4

The path of men are to seek one another's approval.

The Path of Life is to seek God's approval.

For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

Good Night

 

[Matthias]

The Path of Life is to listen to and believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God = Matt 4:4

The path of men are to seek one another's approval.

The Path of Life is to seek God's approval.

For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

Good Night

I’m not persuaded by you, man. I’ve told you why.

Even your own theologians don’t believe - aren’t persuaded by - what you’re asking me to believe.

I believe what the people who lived in those days believed. That’s solid ground.

I’m not seeking your approval. (You don’t and won’t have mine as long as you persist with a bad argument.) I have my God’s approval.

Good night.

P.S.

I haven’t heard anything yet from the moderators about your report. They might still be trying to wade through it and figure it out, but it looks to me like they aren’t going to act on it.

 

[David in NJ]

I’m not persuaded by you, man. I’ve told you why.

Even your own theologians don’t believe - aren’t persuaded by - what you’re asking me to believe.

I believe what the people who lived in those days believed. That’s solid ground.

I’m not seeking your approval. (You don’t and won’t have mine as long as you persist with a bad argument.) I have my God’s approval.

Good night.

P.S.

I haven’t heard anything yet from the moderators about your report. They might still be trying to wade through it and figure it out, but it looks to me like they aren’t going to act on it.

Nobody told you to seek my approval = you were told to seek God's approval.

You have flesh and blood theologians that you trust.

My "theologian" is the Holy Spirit = the Spirit of Truth, whom those who do not believe cannot receive.

Many of the moderators on these 'christian' forums are main stream pre-trib advocates as well as advocates of ecumenicalism.

Therefore they will go after those who speak by the authority of the Holy Spirit.

They will be on your side.

 

[Matthias]

Nobody told you to seek my approval = you were told to seek God's approval.

You have flesh and blood theologians that you trust.

My "theologian" is the Holy Spirit = the Spirit of Truth, whom those who do not believe cannot receive.

I’ve never sought your approval. The theologians I’ve quoted are trinitarians, not Jewish monotheists. I trust their arguments against you because they are sound and strong.

Many of the moderators on these 'christian' forums are main stream pre-trib advocates as well as advocats of ecumenicalism

Therefore they will go after those who speak by the authority of the Holy Spirit.

They aren’t going after you. With your reasoning, that should tell you something.

They will be on your side.

Only if and as long as I abide by the Board rules and policies.