Two things. One, I think maybe praying for Evolutionists might be a good thing. Two, it occurs to me that if we say "we are not going disavow the elements of Evolution that are true ("micro-evolution", "adaptation", "pressure")" then Evolutionists will have a much easier time working out the connection between their theory and their faith. I think both those things (one and two) are good.
Scripture says "in His Name, the Gentiles will trust" - what will 'Evolutionist Gentiles' trust in Jesus?
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soberxp
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Genuine science has already explained that the theory of evolution is untenable. For example, if giraffes were a product of natural selection, they could not possibly exist—they cannot happen to have a powerful heart and a valve that protects against high blood pressure just to support their extremely long necks. All these structures, when considered together, would only result in a non-viable organism that could never survive the evolutionary process. It’s just that such anecdotal, sensationalist claims remain unknown to most people.
Yes, it is God's work. Man has no idea how to "copy" God's work. The problem is, without relating to how Evolutionists 'think', Evolutionists can't reach God.
Maybe I'm crazy, but when I say "I think micro-Evolution" is true, I sort of think 'hey, Evolutionists will have a reason to consider the faith" - in reality, they just abuse anything that is not strictly their dogma - including all the nuts stuff, like giraffes having a valve, like you said.
I will always side with the Lord, but I wish I could drag Evolution with me. Personality traits such as "calm" and "curios" are crucial to the scientific endeavour - people who don't believe in God are not in awe of anything He creates, how then can they understand the difference between one species and another, for example?
It would be great if someone/anyone said something that put the idea that you can just wipe God from your mind because you believe 'x' to bed!
soberxp
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For instance, a child may resemble either the father or the mother, but with some differences. Maybe the child is taller than the parents, or perhaps shorter.
Evolutionary theory is merely a hypothesis, but God has already hidden the answer within several major biological extinctions. How did life suddenly evolve into numerous species in an explosive manner from these extinctions? People simply haven't attempted to seriously consider the entire picture.
The hard truth, that Evolutionists probably don't want to face is: God has to acknowledge you, before you can make a change to who you are.
Evolutionists want to acknowledge themselves, much less God - therefore they will never be able to change (not what matters most to their Evolution, anyway).
Me, I have peace in the fact, that I never have to think of changing, until God has acknowledged me and given me some idea of the change He expects!
Evolutionists want to acknowledge themselves, much less God - therefore they will never be able to change (not what matters most to their Evolution, anyway).
Me, I have peace in the fact, that I never have to think of changing, until God has acknowledged me and given me some idea of the change He expects!
The truth is the world should be excited about being Man under God - Jesus Christ is going to bring the biggest surge in micro-evolution the world has ever seen!
The Devil will be exhausted when he sees how much adaptation has come about!
The Devil will be exhausted when he sees how much adaptation has come about!
I have been thinking about Jesus in terms of "Evolution" and what He said when He said "I am the Door". If He says 'He is the Door to the sheepfold' but then the automatic, garage and revolving doors are all invented - has Christ evolved/because the Door has?
I mean, what would have happened if the "automatic door" had been invented before the "sheepfold door", would Christ have called Himself "the Automatic One"?
You can see why Evolutionists would be hesitant to believe in Jesus, if we haven't got this worked out (but they think they have?)?
I mean, what would have happened if the "automatic door" had been invented before the "sheepfold door", would Christ have called Himself "the Automatic One"?
You can see why Evolutionists would be hesitant to believe in Jesus, if we haven't got this worked out (but they think they have?)?
NEWS: God has established that when He considers a Man for his strengths, He considers his "adaptability" (not his progression from one species to another).
Dying to yourself, to make way for better adaptations, is more important than surviving, unless you can't follow.
I may be holding apples, but if I need the oranges to survive, I need to let the apples go - except if I can't tell how the oranges are going to help me survive, when the apples don't.
Dying to yourself, to make way for better adaptations, is more important than surviving, unless you can't follow.
I may be holding apples, but if I need the oranges to survive, I need to let the apples go - except if I can't tell how the oranges are going to help me survive, when the apples don't.
Chihuahua
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That is a good question. It is called an ecological niche.
An ecological wha? Niche? Like Nietzsche?
No silly... niche, mass extinctions
Like the dinosaurs? I thought the didn't have room on the Ark!
No no... changes to a regional environment, the Sun, even oxygen all cause rapid evolutionary change.
Even the Sun? And oxygen? But I like those. Let's learn more!
Ecological niche - Wikipedia
"In ecology, a niche is the match of a species to a specific environmental condition.[ It describes how an organism or population responds to the distribution of resources and competitors (for example, by growing when resources are abundant, and when predators, parasites and pathogens are scarce) and how it, in turn, alters those same factors (for example, limiting access to resources by other organisms, acting as a food source for predators and a consumer of prey). "The type and number of variables comprising the dimensions of an environmental niche vary from one species to another [and] the relative importance of particular environmental variables for a species may vary according to the geographic and biotic contexts"
Nature when everything is all balanced reaches homeostasis
HOMO what?
Homeostasis. It is when everything is in balance.
Well, the last parade...
I'll stop you right there. It means that the environment is all settled.
Things change in an environment. Certain animals are better adapted for this change, like mammals (after the dinosaurs) EXPLODED.
An easy to understand situation are the introduction of non-native species bringing chaos to an environment. Wolves hunted deer, they had predators to keep them in check, now they are destroying the environment, along with feral pigs.
Early life produced H2S, said hello to the Sun, made H2O into O and everything went wackadoodle. Producing the great oxidation event. Everything nearly dieded.
Chihuahua
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BTW- Evolution is a theory, not a hypothesis. It cannot become a law. Laws are not superior to theories. Laws predict outcome. Theories explain how or why. Creationism is not a hypothesis, law, or theory. Creationism is a religious belief based on, arguably, misusing a text at a time when an audience was searching for meaning and not secrets of the universe.
Chihuahua
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No, the giraffe evolves over time and the longer the neck and the better the circulatory system, the more leaves they eat and the more babies they have.
Breakthrough! No matter what species you are, there is always a species you have blind spot to. Elephants panic at mice; mice are afraid of cats and so on and so on. When the Devil promises Evolution, he does not understand that being more or less blind by design determines how much pressure you feel to change.
I think the foundational fact for Evolution is: if you had that power (to change species), you would relax (but Evolutionists aren't relaxing!)
I'm not sure if this is a distraction from the debate, but it occurred to me: if you have a lot for for a long time, you don't need everything in the end (selah)
In other words, Evolution overshoots the mark: you don't always need to evolve (if you have micro-evolved enough)
In other words, Evolution overshoots the mark: you don't always need to evolve (if you have micro-evolved enough)
I have come to discover, that some Evolutionists differ in mindset from others. Some are progressive: they wonder about what they are anticipating, what they will hand on. Some are regressive: they are clinging to what their Evolution has given them and are in a state of panic that they might lose it. This confirms the word of the Lord that "those who are exalted will be humbled, and those who are humbled will be exalted" (gospels, from memory).
Something I know someone has seen develop, is that unbelievers (Evolutionists basically) are tempted to think they know Jesus' evolution, better than He did.
Jesus adapted religion, but He never claimed that He could change Himself or God.
I'm not sure how that strikes you?
Jesus adapted religion, but He never claimed that He could change Himself or God.
I'm not sure how that strikes you?
A key concept I have learned is that "you can help Evolutionists, without claiming Evolution was the reason you did so"
In other words, Evolutionists will come to trust, that we did not ask them to evolve in ways that were impossible, but that we helped them get ahead - with whatever they wanted their goal to be.
Our Creation, will aid us in life, more than any of things that Evolution teaches which are wrong and we will still be able to reach out a helping hand.
In other words, Evolutionists will come to trust, that we did not ask them to evolve in ways that were impossible, but that we helped them get ahead - with whatever they wanted their goal to be.
Our Creation, will aid us in life, more than any of things that Evolution teaches which are wrong and we will still be able to reach out a helping hand.
I think the thing is that adaptations are - before God - prepared for; command over adaptations, is exercised - in Jesus' direction (selah)!
The Barbarian
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Darwin's points were very a very basic outline of the way evolution works in God's creation. We are still learning more and more about it. One surprising fact is that engineers are now using evolutionary processes to solve engineering problems that are too complex to be solved by design.
An Introduction to Genetic Algorithms: The Concept of Biological Evolution in Optimization | Towards Data Science
Genetic algorithms are a powerful concept used in optimization, where knowing how to design evolutionary operators is essential.
towardsdatascience.com
As usual, God knows best.
RepentingChristian
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Mainstream Christianity teaches that Jesus is incapable of persuading all beings to follow him and so Jesus gives up on them and then tortures them forever in Hell.
