What is the difference between the gospel to the Jews and the gospel to the gentiles?

[quietthinker]

Appears to be yet another gospel.
Would we evangelize someone today by telling them that through them all nations will be blessed?

However, I would agree that there seems to be a thread that ties all these gospels together. A common thread.
But what is it?

Is it repentance, as you say? Or something else? The forerunner was preaching the baptism of repentance. ???

John the forerunner is a nudging vessel......

The Jews had it set in stone that forgiveness could only be obtained by the sacrifice of a lamb at the Temple.
John came along and dispensed with the temple and a sacrificed lamb. John's message was repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of sin.
Jesus comes along and unilaterally forgives sin without sending anyone to the temple with a sacrificial lamb. He also doesn't require repentance and baptism. In fact his first interaction with the paralytic let down through the roof was, 'your sins are forgiven'. The guy didn't ask, didn't repent and wasn't baptised, yet Jesus forgave him prior to his complete healing.

There is more to be said about this, but without enquiry, I wont.

Jesus has undermined the whole Temple economy by this trajectory and John was his co labourer bringing the people half way between the Temple and Jesus.
The authorities killed them both because their message hit their pockets. This was intolerable for them. Has it changed?

Was this 'another' Gospel? I don't think so.

 

[rvmb]

I fail to see where the death, burial and resurrection is in that.
And what about repentance and baptism?
Yet another gospel. [edit]

Gal 1:11-12, Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:14, Eph 4:30 is THE Gospel for today.
What type of repent & baptism are you looking for ?
eg Rom-Philemon, Paul never teaches water baptism as a requirement for salvation and the repent that is required is turning from disbelief.

 

[rvmb]

‘Paul is telling Jews and Gentiles in Rome how to become saved.

The same believers spoken of in Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15 ?

 

[Jack]

For Everyone:

Romans 10:9-10
9 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

But Israel is still SPECIAL to God.

 

[Brakelite]

''A person doesn't need to understand the birth, death and resurrection of Christ to do this.''

Those are the core messages of the faith. The whole basis of Christianity! Christ was both man and God, He was sinless, He died in our place. People need to know all of his. Our sin put him on that cross and every Christian should know these very key truths for redemption, and forgiveness of the sins that put Christ there to begin with.
I'm sorry St. SteVen but, I have to stop reading your posts. My belief is that you are lost
I will no longer throw precious pearls your way, you trod them down. If you own a bible, you might as well throw it away...better yet, give it to someone who will appreciate it. God have mercy on you.

So you are saying that someone must have all their theology right before coming to God? That God refuses their pleas for help and salvation until they've done a Bible study, and come to all the correct conclusions?
I know that I had no understanding of the Godhead, and after 50 years as Christian, relatively no closer to understanding God than when we first met. But I knew my need. Forgiveness. Love. Acceptance. A new life. God gave all those in one night. I've spent the last 50 years learning to love Him and know Him better.

I had a Catholic understanding of Christmas and Easter before asking God into my life and making it something He can approve of. All I knew at the time was superficial ritual and fluff. So no. We don't need to fully understand the birth, death and resurrection of Christ. Just asking Him into your life and believing He's alive says everything don't you think?

 

[St. SteVen]

Was this 'another' Gospel? I don't think so.

Good post, thanks.
How do we know if a "gospel" is another gospel?

 

[Jack]

Good post, thanks.
How do we know if a "gospel" is another gospel?

Clearly you don't know.

Quoting YOU: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible".

 

[walter]

There is a biblical warning about not preaching any OTHER gospel.
But it seems that there was a gospel message to the Jews and a gospel message to the gentiles.
Because the two audiences were completely different.

- The Jews, of course were expecting a Messiah. The gentiles weren't.
- The Jews were raised under the law. The gentiles weren't.

What other key differences altered the gospel message to the Jews as opposed to the gentiles?

Are you talking about the Hebrew Matthew Gospel translated from Hebrew into English? For the Jewish Christians?

 

[St. SteVen]

Gal 1:11-12, Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:14, Eph 4:30 is THE Gospel for today.

That would be overkill for a presentation of the gospel.
Perhaps that is four gospels right there?

What type of repent & baptism are you looking for ?

The type that aligns with the Abrahamic covenant as gospel.

eg Rom-Philemon, Paul never teaches water baptism as a requirement for salvation and the repent that is required is turning from disbelief.

When Paul was in Ephesus he baptized the disciples there in Jesus' name, who had only John's baptism. Then he laid hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jack]

Why is STV in a Christian forum? He won't answer.

 

[quietthinker]

Good post, thanks.
How do we know if a "gospel" is another gospel?

Its focus is on anything except Jesus and his objective which is to reveal the character/ nature of his Father. Focus brings in detail.

It is the popular 'other gospel' which focuses on the self. It is epitomised by giving advice ie, what one has to do before God approves. Its concealment is in what is deemed 'pious activity' such as believing certain theological constructs or holding certain political views or practicing certain prescribed behaviours. Included is association with certain groups.

It takes many forms and is instantly recognisable by its overflowing desire to give unsolicited advice. The hoops one must jump through are continuous and the desire to control is inbuilt.

 

[rvmb]

That would be overkill for a presentation of the gospel.
Perhaps that is four gospels right there?


The type that aligns with the Abrahamic covenant as gospel.


When Paul was in Ephesus he baptized the disciples there in Jesus' name, who had only John's baptism. Then he laid hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit.

""Then he laid hands on them"" Not today.
Rom- Philemon, what is required to receive HS >>> Eph 1:13
""The type that aligns with the Abrahamic covenant as gospel.""
Really ? Then explain how Abraham was saved by the Gospel Christ taught Paul - Gal 1:11-12.
""Perhaps that is four gospels right there?""
What verses teach that ?

 

[Jack]

Its focus is on anything except Jesus and his objective which is to reveal the character/ nature of his Father. Focus brings in detail.

It is the popular 'other gospel' which focuses on the self. It is epitomised by giving advice ie, what one has to do before God approves. Its concealment is in what is deemed 'pious activity' such as believing certain theological constructs or holding certain political views or practicing certain prescribed behaviours. Included is association with certain groups.

It takes many forms and is instantly recognisable by its overflowing desire to give unsolicited advice. The hoops one must jump through are continuous and the desire to control is inbuilt.

But you said you know more than Jesus.

 

[St. SteVen]

""Then he laid hands on them"" Not today.
Rom- Philemon, what is required to receive HS >>> Eph 1:13
""The type that aligns with the Abrahamic covenant as gospel.""
Really ? Then explain how Abraham was saved by the Gospel Christ taught Paul - Gal 1:11-12.
""Perhaps that is four gospels right there?""
What verses teach that ?

I think you need to follow the plot here starting at post #178

 

[Jack]

I think you need to follow the plot here starting at post #178

Why are you in a Christian Forum STV? Don't have a clue?

 

[Brakelite]

Appears to be yet another gospel.
Would we evangelize someone today by telling them that through them all nations will be blessed?

Like I said. Same gospel, just nuanced to meet the various needs of the group, the individual, and the time in which they lived. I quoted Revelation 14:6-12 earlier. A gospel for those living in the last days with warnings pertinent to the times.

What is the essence that connects all these gospel messages?

Grace.

 

[Brakelite]

Good post, thanks.
How do we know if a "gospel" is another gospel?

When it isn't by grace through faith.

 

[GodsGrace]

it was the one same gospel they all preached .

Yes sir.
There is ONE Body of Christ....
not two.

 

[GodsGrace]

When it isn't by grace through faith.

Brakelite...
OK,,,but I believe that another gospel does not only include
GRACE
and
FAITH
which it would certainly have to....

I believe that teaching a different Jesus is teaching a different gospel.

For instance:
Is Jesus eternal or created?
Did He die for our sins?
Do we choose to be saved by Him?
Was He resurrected?

There's probably more I can't think of right now...
that would be, at least, the basics.

 

[GodsGrace]

Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I was referring to the conversion experience, not the ongoing life of the believer.
A person need not have all their doctrine figured out to receive the Lord.
That will come in time.

What if understanding doctrine never happens??
Is the person still saved??