All things written may be fulfilled

[Truth7t7]

in 2 Peter 3:10-12. He indicated that the destruction of the heavens and earth will occur upon the arrival of the day of the Lord,

Is (The Day Of The Lord) seen in Zechariah 14:1 below the very same (The Day Of The Lord) seen in 2 Peter 3:10?

Zechariah 14:1KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[grafted branch]

The blood of Christ abolished the Old Covenant forever! It doesn't matter that after the cross the Jews continued to live under the Old Covenant through material sacrifices and offerings until the city and temple were destroyed leaving them no choice but to abandon that which Christ had already made an end when He was crucified. Before Christ abolished the Old Covenant sacrificial system through His atoning blood, there was still hope in the law for those who continued to keep the law. Why? Because they had been taught the only way to find favor with God was by obedience to the Law. Those in unbelief, still without a Savior through the Holy Spirit continued to obey the Law because they did not believe the blood of Christ was the only way by which man might be saved.

Even the disciples of Christ were confused and unsure that only the blood of Christ would save them. That's why we read of Paul continuing to be as the Jews, keeping the Law in the hopes that becoming like them, some of them might be saved. Telling them the promise does not come through the law, but rather by faith of Jesus for them that believe. The law was temporary and was given to lead us to Christ, who justifies us by faith. Since faith has come we are no longer bound under the burden of the law, rather by faith in Christ Jesus we become sons/daughters of God.

Galatians 3:22-26 (KJV) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 9:20 (KJV) And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

As long as the relics of the Old Covenant continued to stand, there would be a tension/conflict between the Old and New Covenant. For this reason, God used the Roman army to utterly destroy every visible sign/symbol representing God upon the earth. By making an end of the outward symbols Jews, and Gentiles, who believed there was benefit in becoming as the Jews, were no longer torn between that which perished at the cross and the New Covenant in Christ. This through the power of the Holy Spirit in us. The time of reformation came when Christ came to earth a man, it was not delayed for another 30-40 or even perhaps 2000 years.

Hebrews 9:8-10 (KJV) The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

I’m not really disagreeing with what you’re saying but it seems to me that too many people here want to make it sound like everyone who believed in Christ just immediately abandoned the OT the next day after the cross.

You bring up an interesting verse, Hebrews 9:8-10 “The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing”. I think we all agree that the literal temple stood until 70AD, I would say then that the Holy Spirit is declaring that the new covenant isn’t fully manifest (to those who remained in temple) prior to 70AD.

The time of reformation came when Christ came to earth a man, it was not delayed for another 30-40 or even perhaps 2000 years.

Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Here we see that condition of “not yet made manifest” being imposed until the time of reformation, which seemingly points to the cross, yet that wasn’t what happened at the moment He arose. And we know from Acts 3:21 that the restoration of all things didn’t happen at the cross.

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

I would agree with you that the reformation came when Christ came but that reformation wasn’t fully completed until some point after the cross (Acts 3:21). If we say the reformation was completed at the cross and the restitution of all things takes place in the future then all the conditions after the cross remain the same, even today.
So if that’s the case then today, it seems good to the Holy Spirit to have different burdens for Jews than Gentiles, today it’s possible to have many thousands of Jews who both believe and are zealous for the Law, today when the OT is read it’s a veil to those who don’t believe, today the old covenant which decayeth and waxeth old is not yet vanished.
Are any of these things happening in your church today? Would your church allow someone who is a Jew to claim they have a different burden than the Gentiles in your church?

 

[grafted branch]

Many Jews heard the Gospel and were converted after the Cross while the physical temple was still standing. Scripture testifies that “a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith” (Acts 6:7, KJV).

Sure, what isn’t explicitly stated is whether those priests remained under a different burden than the Gentiles, which seemed good to the Holy Spirit at that time.

The Church grew rapidly and spread beyond Jerusalem into Judea, Samaria, and the Gentile world (Acts 1:8; Acts 11:19–21), all prior to the destruction of the city and temple.

Right, and there was a different burden on the Jews than the Gentiles during that time, are you deliberately trying to miss lead about what was happening during that time?

This proves that the ending of the Old Covenant did not wait for A.D. 70, but was accomplished at the Cross. Christ declared, “It is finished” (John 19:30), and by His death He “blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us… nailing it to his cross” (Colossians 2:14). Hebrews affirms that by establishing the New Covenant, God “hath made the first old,” and that it was already “ready to vanish away” while the temple still stood (Hebrews 8:13).

The old covenant became invalid at the cross but it didn’t vanish at the cross. That’s what the Bible teaches.

Furthermore, God no longer dwells in temples made with hands (Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24). Believers themselves are now the temple of God (1 Corinthians 3:16; Ephesians 2:19–22). Therefore, the physical destruction of the Jewish temple and city was not a prerequisite for the Gospel age, the New Covenant, or the growth of the Church at ALL. The decisive covenantal judgment occurred at the Cross, not at the fall of Jerusalem whether Preterists like it or not!

I agree God didn’t dwell in the temple after the veil was torn but the reading of the Old Testament in that temple was a veil until the destruction of that temple (2 Corinthians 3:14-16). Is the reading of the Old Testament a veil today?

Deal with Biblical facts.

I am, I asked you “why did it seem good to the Holy Spirit to have different burdens on the Jews than the Gentiles after the cross in Acts 15:28?” I didn’t see your answer to that Biblical fact.

 

[grafted branch]

Dual fulfillment is standard with GOD concerning the TWO Comings/Advents of the LORD Jesus Christ
The OT gives clear evidence of such just as JESUS and the Apostles also points us to Noah and Genesis

"70AD all things fulfilled" is a BIG ERROR and LIE that everyone who names the Name of Christ should depart from = immediately.

"70AD all things fulfilled" and "satan's little season is now" is CONTRARY to the GOSPEL

Any teaching/doctrine that is contrary to the Gospel comes from the spirit of error/antichrist = man-made doctrines

If dual fulfillment is a standard with God, is it possible for there to be another Christ, or any of the things Christ fulfilled the first time to be fulfilled again?

 

[David in NJ]

If dual fulfillment is a standard with God, is it possible for there to be another Christ,

The revealing of the Antichrist comes before the Revelation of Christ in the Saints.

or any of the things Christ fulfilled the first time to be fulfilled again?

YES

#1 - the Jews brought back to the "Land"/Israel, for Judgment and Restoration = JESUS Prophecy and OT Prophecy

#2 - the Resurrection of ALL the Saints

#3 - the Judgment upon Rome/Caesar that was NOT fulfilled in 70AD

#4 - the Judgment upon the nations/plural was NOT fulfilled in 70AD as only Rome came against Jerusalem
Therefore a Dual Prophecy whereby Rome was a Preview of Zechariah 14:1

 

[rwb]

I’m not really disagreeing with what you’re saying but it seems to me that too many people here want to make it sound like everyone who believed in Christ just immediately abandoned the OT the next day after the cross.

I don't believe that's the way I made it sound.

You bring up an interesting verse, Hebrews 9:8-10 “The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing”. I think we all agree that the literal temple stood until 70AD, I would say then that the Holy Spirit is declaring that the new covenant isn’t fully manifest (to those who remained in temple) prior to 70AD.

The New Covenant was made known to Jews who believed in Him when He walked upon the earth a man. Jews of faith after the cross understood it is the blood of Christ, and not the blood of animals that make atonement for sin. As I said, there was a tension in those days because as long as the Temple of Old was still standing, even Jews of faith in the atoning blood of Christ believed they could continue to keep the Old Law while believing in Christ. It was after the Spirit was poured out upon faithful Jews at Pentecost that Jews of faith came to fully understand the Law was anathema/against/opposing the sacrificial blood of Christ. Because those of faith cannot mix the Law of the Old Covenant and the shed blood of Christ of the New Covenant. That would be akin to serving two masters.

We see this proven on the day of Pentecost when Peter preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God to devout Jews who were "Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." Their response was faith, believing the gospel Peter preached, understanding the only way man might be saved is by believing in the crucified Lord.

Acts 2:22-24 (KJV) Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Acts 2:36-39 (KJV) Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Jews of faith turned to Christ for the remission of sins, no longer believing that obedience to the Law of Old was the means of forgiveness of sins. It was only apostate Jews in unbelief that continued to keep the Law of Moses until 70 AD when the Roman army left no vestige of the Old for them to cling to.

You might say the Holy Spirit did not declare the New Covenant through Christ fully manifest before 70 AD, but as you can see, Scripture does not agree.

Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Here we see that condition of “not yet made manifest” being imposed until the time of reformation, which seemingly points to the cross, yet that wasn’t what happened at the moment He arose. And we know from Acts 3:21 that the restoration of all things didn’t happen at the cross.

The New Covenant was not made manifest only for those who remained in unbelief! Those who were indwelt with the Holy Spirit of Christ were not in darkness, but the Spirit in them instructing them of all that Christ had taught before He was crucified. The Holy Spirit was sent from Christ to be in you long before 70 AD.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The restoration or restoring of all things began with the advent of Christ coming to earth with the spiritual Kingdom of God, and has been on-going ever since, and will not be completely finished until the seventh trumpet begins to sound that time given the Church to build the Kingdom of God by preaching the gospel shall be no more.

So if that’s the case then today, it seems good to the Holy Spirit to have different burdens for Jews than Gentiles, today it’s possible to have many thousands of Jews who both believe and are zealous for the Law, today when the OT is read it’s a veil to those who don’t believe, today the old covenant which decayeth and waxeth old is not yet vanished.

The same burden lies upon all of mankind! "Ye must be born again" to both know (see) and enter the Kingdom of God that is not now of this earth, and is not visibly seen because the Kingdom of God is within you. This gospel of the Kingdom of God is the only way for mankind, both Jew and Gentile alike to be saved. The Old is gone FOREVER, never to return again!

 

[grafted branch]

YES

#1 - the Jews brought back to the "Land"/Israel, for Judgment and Restoration = JESUS Prophecy and OT Prophecy

Ok, so are you saying this was fulfilled once and will be fulfilled a second time?

 

[grafted branch]

It was after the Spirit was poured out upon faithful Jews at Pentecost that Jews of faith came to fully understand the Law was anathema/against/opposing the sacrificial blood of Christ. Because those of faith cannot mix the Law of the Old Covenant and the shed blood of Christ of the New Covenant. That would be akin to serving two masters.

But the very Spirit that was poured out at Pentecost also agreed with different burdens in Acts 15:28, which occurred about 48AD to 49AD according to Biblehub. That was long after Pentecost in 30AD.

Would you conclude that the Jews both fully understood that the Law of the Old Covenant and the shed blood of Christ of the New Covenant can’t mix because it would be akin to serving two masters, yet at the same time the Holy Spirit agrees with them about having a different burden than the Gentiles? That appears to be a contradiction to me, especially since there were many thousands of Jews who both believed and were zealous for the law in Acts 21:20, about 59AD.

The New Covenant was not made manifest only for those who remained in unbelief! Those who were indwelt with the Holy Spirit of Christ were not in darkness, but the Spirit in them instructing them of all that Christ had taught before He was crucified. The Holy Spirit was sent from Christ to be in you long before 70 AD.

Yes, but that very same Spirit agrees with different burdens for Jews than Gentiles. Why was that? I would think that could qualify as the new covenant not being fully manifested at that time, to those Jews.

This gospel of the Kingdom of God is the only way for mankind, both Jew and Gentile alike to be saved. The Old is gone FOREVER, never to return again!

I agree, the new covenant gospel is the only way anyone can be saved but if the old covenant was gone FOREVER just after the cross then why aren’t we putting different burdens on folks in the churches today, depending on if they are Jew or Gentile? That’s what they were doing in 48AD - 49AD in the early church, which seemed good to the Holy Spirit, shouldn’t that be our example?

 

[David in NJ]

Ok, so are you saying this was fulfilled once and will be fulfilled a second time?

It was never fulfilled according to Zechariah chapters 13 and 14 as well as JESUS Prophecy in the Gospel/Matt 23:37-39 and the Apostles writing.

What was fulfilled was JESUS Prophecy of the destruction of the temple as given in Matthew 24:1-2
That destruction required the use of the Romans to carry out God's Judgment upon it.

 

[David in NJ]

Ok, so are you saying this was fulfilled once and will be fulfilled a second time?

YES = Jews brought back to the Land = YES

 

[grafted branch]

It was never fulfilled according to Zechariah chapters 13 and 14 as well as JESUS Prophecy in the Gospel/Matt 23:37-39 and the Apostles writing.

What was fulfilled was JESUS Prophecy of the destruction of the temple as given in Matthew 24:1-2
That destruction required the use of the Romans to carry out God's Judgment upon it.

If it was never fulfilled according to Zechariah 13-14 and it still hasn’t been fulfilled, then it doesn’t really qualify as a dual fulfillment. A dual fulfillment is generally seen as one fulfillment of a prophecy serving as a precursor to another fulfillment of the same prophesied event.

For instance in Ezekiel 37:15-23 we have the prophecy of the two sticks being joined together, if this were to happen more than once, meaning the two sticks are joined, then are separated again, then joined a second time, that would qualify as a dual fulfillment. Someone who believes in dual fulfillment might say the sticks were joined short term with the final fulfillment being a long term fulfillment.

Do you see any dual fulfillment’s based on the above definition?

 

[Truth7t7]

then why aren’t we putting different burdens on folks in the churches today, depending on if they are Jew or Gentile? That’s what they were doing in 48AD - 49AD in the early church, which seemed good to the Holy Spirit, shouldn’t that be our example?

I Disagree, Paul corrected the error of the Jew/Gentile problem in the early Church, The Holy Ghost was never good with it as you falsely claim

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[grafted branch]

I Disagree, Paul corrected the error of the Jew/Gentile problem in the early Church, The Holy Ghost was never good with it as you falsely claim

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

 

[Truth7t7]

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit to lead those into righteous living, abstain from idol worship meats, animal blood slaughtered improperly, fornication

Paul brought correction to pagan practices

 

[David in NJ]

If it was never fulfilled according to Zechariah 13-14 and it still hasn’t been fulfilled, then it doesn’t really qualify as a dual fulfillment. A dual fulfillment is generally seen as one fulfillment of a prophecy serving as a precursor to another fulfillment of the same prophesied event.

For instance in Ezekiel 37:15-23 we have the prophecy of the two sticks being joined together, if this were to happen more than once, meaning the two sticks are joined, then are separated again, then joined a second time, that would qualify as a dual fulfillment. Someone who believes in dual fulfillment might say the sticks were joined short term with the final fulfillment being a long term fulfillment.

Do you see any dual fulfillment’s based on the above definition?

Dual fulfillment does not require exact same occurrences

The temple was destroyed once before by Babylon

#1 - The abomination of pig sacrifice by the Romans in the Temple in Jerusalem

#2 - Maybe = To be fulfilled when the "man of sin" stands in the temple declaring himself as savior/messiah/deliverer

#3 - Definite = Future = to be fulfilled when people take the MoB = man was created to be the temple of God

 

[grafted branch]

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit to lead those into righteous living, abstain from idol worship meats, animal blood slaughtered improperly, fornication

Paul brought correction to pagan practices

Acts 15 was the discussion they had, better known as the council at Jerusalem, where they made decisions on several issues. One of those issues was whether Gentiles needed to keep the same burden as the Jews. I’m not trying to say the believing Jews were actively making animal sacrifices but they were definitely keeping some parts of the law, in which it was decided that the Gentiles didn’t need to keep.

Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Galatians 2 has the council at Jerusalem also. In Galatians 2:9 it was decided that James, Peter, and John would go to the Jews while Paul and Barnabas to the Gentiles. This agreement was never rescinded, which is why we see James questioning Paul in Acts 21:21 about teaching the Jews which were among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, particularly about circumcision.

We should be able to see that the believing Jews were under the direct leadership of James, Peter, and John, not Paul and it appears that the believing Jews continued to keep parts of the law that Paul preached to the Gentiles about not keeping. I would say that was the reality happening in the early church, I don’t like it but that’s the way it was. It doesn’t prove or disprove any end time views but I’ll tell you this, some of those who dislike preterist will disagree vehemently try to argue that everyone was following Paul’s preaching, which wasn’t the case, people making these kind of arguments only harm themselves because they’re arguing against the reality that the Bible says happened in the first century.

 

[grafted branch]

Dual fulfillment does not require exact same occurrences

The temple was destroyed once before by Babylon

#1 - The abomination of pig sacrifice by the Romans in the Temple in Jerusalem

#2 - Maybe = To be fulfilled when the "man of sin" stands in the temple declaring himself as savior/messiah/deliverer

#3 - Definite = Future = to be fulfilled when people take the MoB = man was created to be the temple of God

Well you can define dual fulfillment however you want. When it comes to the OP, if someone wants to argue that Luke 21 got fulfilled in 70AD and it’s also going to be fulfilled at a future coming of Christ, then they could claim a dual fulfillment in which the same exact prophecy gets fulfilled twice albeit not exactly in the same manner. No one has made that argument yet unless you are trying to make it.

 

[David in NJ]

Well you can define dual fulfillment however you want. When it comes to the OP, if someone wants to argue that Luke 21 got fulfilled in 70AD and it’s also going to be fulfilled at a future coming of Christ, then they could claim a dual fulfillment in which the same exact prophecy gets fulfilled twice albeit not exactly in the same manner. No one has made that argument yet unless you are trying to make it.

GOD made it TRUTH = by His Word

a.) Matthew 24:1-2 - JESUS Prophesied the destruction of the Temple(DoT) = Fulfilled in 70AD

B.) Matthew 24:3-31 - JESUS Prophesied of the Abomination spoken by Daniel(AoD) = Unfulfilled = FUTURE

C.) Daniel 12:1-3 - Resurrection of the Saints after the Great Tribulation = Unfulfilled = FUTURE

D.) John 6:30-45 - Resurrection of the Saints after the Great Tribulation = Unfulfilled = FUTURE

 

[rwb]

But the very Spirit that was poured out at Pentecost also agreed with different burdens in Acts 15:28, which occurred about 48AD to 49AD according to Biblehub. That was long after Pentecost in 30AD.

Would you conclude that the Jews both fully understood that the Law of the Old Covenant and the shed blood of Christ of the New Covenant can’t mix because it would be akin to serving two masters, yet at the same time the Holy Spirit agrees with them about having a different burden than the Gentiles? That appears to be a contradiction to me, especially since there were many thousands of Jews who both believed and were zealous for the law in Acts 21:20, about 59AD.

Yes, but that very same Spirit agrees with different burdens for Jews than Gentiles. Why was that? I would think that could qualify as the new covenant not being fully manifested at that time, to those Jews.

I agree, the new covenant gospel is the only way anyone can be saved but if the old covenant was gone FOREVER just after the cross then why aren’t we putting different burdens on folks in the churches today, depending on if they are Jew or Gentile? That’s what they were doing in 48AD - 49AD in the early church, which seemed good to the Holy Spirit, shouldn’t that be our example?

There weren't different burdens upon Jew and Gentile regarding the Law of Moses. What was happening in the early church was what both Christ and Paul warned the Church to be ready for. There were false prophets among the saints, Judaizers coming from the sect of the Pharisees. They professed to believe, but they were enemies of the gospel, teaching not only Jews but new Gentile converts to Christ that one cannot be saved if not circumcised according to the law of Moses. A letter from the apostles, elders and whole Church was sent to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia informing them of no such law, or commandment given. Say, " We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

Through the Spirit in them True disciples and Apostles of Christ understood the law of Moses had become anathema against the gospel of Christ. But those Jews why said they believed in continuing to keep the law of Moses sought to bring division between Jewish and Gentile Christians. The Spirit through them instructed the Church not according to the law of Moses, but telling only "That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

From meats offered to idols. This explains what is meant by "pollutions of idols," Ac 15:20.

Matthew 7:15 (KJV) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 24:5 (KJV) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Acts 20:29-30 (KJV) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Acts 15:1-2 (KJV) And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Acts 15:3-5 (KJV) And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:6-11 (KJV) And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Acts 15:22-26 (KJV) Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 15:27-32 (KJV) We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation. And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.

 

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There weren't different burdens upon Jew and Gentile regarding the Law of Moses. What was happening in the early church was what both Christ and Paul warned the Church to be ready for. There were false prophets among the saints, Judaizers coming from the sect of the Pharisees. They professed to believe, but they were enemies of the gospel, teaching not only Jews but new Gentile converts to Christ that one cannot be saved if not circumcised according to the law of Moses. A letter from the apostles, elders and whole Church was sent to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia informing them of no such law, or commandment given. Say, " We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

Through the Spirit in them True disciples and Apostles of Christ understood the law of Moses had become anathema against the gospel of Christ. But those Jews why said they believed in continuing to keep the law of Moses sought to bring division between Jewish and Gentile Christians. The Spirit through them instructed the Church not according to the law of Moses, but telling only "That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

From meats offered to idols. This explains what is meant by "pollutions of idols," Ac 15:20.

Matthew 7:15 (KJV) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 24:5 (KJV) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Acts 20:29-30 (KJV) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Acts 15:1-2 (KJV) And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Acts 15:3-5 (KJV) And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:6-11 (KJV) And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Acts 15:22-26 (KJV) Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 15:27-32 (KJV) We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation. And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.

The council at Jerusalem decided that believing Gentiles didn’t have the same burden as believing Jews, they all agreed on that. That was what was decided, not that believing Jews were relieved of any burdens, that wasn’t discussed. We don’t have a list of exactly what burdens a believing Jew had after the cross, only a list of what the Gentiles burdens were.

We can surmise from Acts 21:21-22 that circumcision was a burden that the Jews had after the cross, because James calls out Paul on the issue in 59AD, 29 years after the cross.

Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

Whether we agree or disagree with the burdens of the Jews and what was happening during that time, we should at least admit it was taking place. We can say James should’ve told the Jews they weren’t under the burden of circumcision but instead he called out Paul’s preaching to the Jews about it, but we shouldn’t try to make it sound like these things never happened.

Now, did Hebrews 9:8 apply to James, at least in the aspect of circumcision, while the earthly temple at Jerusalem still stood? I would think that was a definite possibility unless you can come up with another reason as to why James called out Paul about circumcision.

Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: