We can't Earn : What is FREE

[Grailhunter]

You're on my Thread...so, you get to ask the questions. @Grailhunter .

Don't have a question.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Yes the result of Justification but justification is not eternal salvation!

we must participate in perseverance until death!

Union with God & His saints in Christ by the grace of justification by baptism with the infused supernatural virtues of faith, hope, & charity, sanctifying grace and the Holy Spirit.

Jn 3:16 Perpetual faith
mt 3:8 2 cor 7:10 fruits of repentance
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ & bear fruit
Lk 3:9 bear fruit
Lk 1:75 acts 10:35 deeds of righteousness
phil 1:11 fruits of righteousness
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
ps 23:3 leads in paths (deeds) of righteousness acts 10:35
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life
2 pet 3:18 grow in grace
heb 6:12 faith & patience
rev 2:19 faith, patience, & works
rev 14:12 commandments, patience, & faith
mt 19:17 Jn 14:21 1 cor 7:19 1Jn 3:24 1 Jn 5:2-3 rev 12:17 keep the commandments
mt 10:22 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 endure to the end in patient suffering
rev 2:10 he who overcomes I shall give the crown of life!



((endure to the end shall be saved))

mk 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

mt 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

heb 3:6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

heb 3:14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Thank you writing this. I believe we needed nothing to be saved initially but being saved initially is not the same as being saved in the end as you've demonstrated.

 

[Justified]

Thank you writing this. I believe we needed nothing to be saved initially but being saved initially is not the same as being saved in the end as you've demonstrated.

Except that it is in the sense that once one is justified, they will be sanctified, and then glorified:

Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. (ESV)

Php 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. (ESV)

 

[PeterAndroz]

Non of the is Grace.

Do you accept or reject the

Asking to put a number on good deeds misses the point entirely. If God asks you to jump, you don't ask how high or how far, you just do it.

Does not Jesus teach that we are to judge the fruit of those who claim to be prophets?

Mat 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. (ESV)

That's just one reason why works as evidence of salvation matters. Another reason is:

Mat 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
Mat 25:32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
Mat 25:33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Mat 25:35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
Mat 25:36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’
Mat 25:37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
Mat 25:38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
Mat 25:39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
Mat 25:40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
Mat 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (ESV)

Good works, or the lack thereof, speak against us at the judgement--they are evidence that one is saved, or not.

Asking "where does Paul teach we need to provide evidence of being justified," misses the point as well. It isn't a matter of needing to provide evidence, it's a matter of noticing our own works and what they are evidence of in our own lives. Here are Paul's reasons for the evidence of works:

Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
Rom 2:8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. (ESV)

That agrees with Jesus's words. But, Paul clearly teaches that justification is by faith apart from works, so he is not saying here that salvation is by our works; he is saying our works show to whom or what our heart belongs.

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! (ESV)

In addition to examining one's desires and motives, one of the easiest ways to examine oneself is to look at one's works and what they show--do one's actions truly line up with one's beliefs, and do they line up with how Scripture says believers are supposed to act?


Of course I agree with Paul. That should be very clear from what I have posted, as none of that goes against anything I have posted and I have posted several of those passages myself. But, be careful when posting such passages, as you're missing context.

You quoted Eph. 2:8-9 but not verse 10:

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (ESV)

You quoted Titus 3:5 but not verse 8:

Tit 3:8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people. (ESV)

And then there is what John says:

1Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, (ESV)

1Jn 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. (ESV)

You state --- ""Of course I agree with Paul. That should be very clear from what I have posted,
Then why are you quoting Matthew, John etc ?
They are not our Apostle or Minister, that role 'today' uniquely belongs to Paul - Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Acts 9:15

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you accept or reject the

You state --- ""Of course I agree with Paul. That should be very clear from what I have posted,
Then why are you quoting Matthew, John etc ?
They are not our Apostle or Minister, that role 'today' uniquely belongs to Paul - Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Acts 9:15

I like all the Apostles.
Just talking about Grace.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I like all the Apostles.
Just talking about Grace.

I like all the Apostles too.
All their teachings are correct for their respective audience.
Our apostle & Minister today is Paul, not them
+++
Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 >> Paul
Gal 2:7-9 the other Apostles AGREED & KNEW that.
They had their audience and Paul had his.
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28, Gal 6:15, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++++++++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Grailhunter]

All their teachings are correct for their respective audience.
Our apostle & Minister today is Paul, not them

Our lineage is Gentiles.....I agree.
And Paul and Peter did promote a different theology than the Jewish-Christians.
We are Gentile-Christians and the 1st Christian council in Acts 15 was the dividing line.
But all Apostles have something to offer.

 

[Justified]

You state --- ""Of course I agree with Paul. That should be very clear from what I have posted,
Then why are you quoting Matthew, John etc ?
They are not our Apostle or Minister, that role 'today' uniquely belongs to Paul - Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Acts 9:15

They all agree in what they say, which is why I quoted them and Paul. You say that “They are not our Apostle or Minister, that role 'today' uniquely belongs to Paul,” yet don’t seem to believe all that Paul says:

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

You don’t seem to understand that Paul still had a custom of speaking to Jews (Acts 13:14-48; 14:1-3; 17:1-3, 10, 17; 18:4-5; 19:8-10) and that Gentiles were converted through Peter before Paul even started, and even then he still spoke with Gentiles (Gal. 2:11-14).

To ignore what Matthew or John or any other NT writer states is to lose context and ignore God’s inspired Scriptures which are useful and beneficial to us in many ways.

All of that suggests you may not understand what is meant by Paul’s claim to be the apostle to the Gentiles. In no way whatsoever does it mean we only follow Paul’s teachings.

 

[Behold]

Thank you writing this. I believe we needed nothing to be saved initially but being saved initially is not the same as being saved in the end as you've demonstrated.

Salvation is Eternal........its not something you do........Its Jesus on The Cross.
HE is Salvation.... and you can't do that for yourself.

See, Salvation is a GIFT from God,......and you dont work for a Gift.... and you can't earn it..........you can only Receive it.. "by faith".

Now after you have received God's Gift of Salvation, who is "CHRIST IN YOU"..... then work and do all you can.....but not to try to stay saved, as if you are trying to stay saved then you have not yet understood The Cross of Christ or why the Blood of Jesus was shed for you.

 

[Behold]

But all Apostles have something to offer.

All the Apostles have something to offer, once they understood Paul's Gospel and His Doctrine.
Peter became clued in by Acts 10, and by 2nd Peter, at the end of His life He was teaching that Paul's "letters" are equal to the Torah.... they are "SCRIPTURE".
And later, Paul's letters that Peter had access to, became most of the NT Epistles and the Doctrine for the Church.

 

[Behold]

To ignore what Matthew or John or any other NT writer states is to lose context and ignore God’s inspired Scriptures

Actually @Justified, what you have to do with the other Apotle's Letters, and even Jesus's words that were written before His Cross birthed the NT Church, is .......you have to learn to "rightly divided" the Scriptures, as Paul teaches how.....so that you dont wrongly divided them, which is what causes heresy, and 45,000 "chrisitan" denominations in this world.

The Key is simple.........You always look at any verse through the LENS of The Cross.
This means...... "what has CHANGED" since the NT was created and the Body of Christ was birthed by the BLOOD ATONEMENT. ??

A.) SO VERY MUCH has changed.....

Is there anyone here on my Thread who has not yet realized that the NEW Covenant is not titled the "same" convenant"?

ITs NEW<<<<<<<<<<.

A 'NEW" Covenant"..... = new rules in place.

.so, you can't just jump into the bible and use all verses as if they are all doctrine for the Church, as they are NOT.

AA.) Heretics do not understand this fact...

So we look at a verse and we see if it FITS the NEW Covenant.....or not.......We see if it matches what God has created by the New Covenant, and if it does not.....as this is revealed by the LIGHT OF THE CROSS, then we "rightly divided" that this verse is not NT Church Doctrice....ect.

 

[Soyeong]

Actually @Justified, what you have to do with the other Apotle's Letters, and even Jesus's words that were written before His Cross birthed the NT Church, is .......you have to learn to "rightly divided" the Scriptures, as Paul teaches how.....so that you dont wrongly divided them, which is what causes heresy, and 45,000 "chrisitan" denominations in this world.

The Key is simple.........You always look at any verse through the LENS of The Cross.
This means...... "what has CHANGED" since the NT was created and the Body of Christ was birthed by the BLOOD ATONEMENT. ??

A.) SO VERY MUCH has changed.....

Is there anyone here on my Thread who has not yet realized that the NEW Covenant is not titled the "same" convenant"?

ITs NEW<<<<<<<<<<.

A 'NEW" Covenant"..... = new rules in place.

.so, you can't just jump into the bible and use all verses as if they are all doctrine for the Church, as they are NOT.

AA.) Heretics do not understand this fact...

So we look at a verse and we see if it FITS the NEW Covenant.....or not.......We see if it matches what God has created by the New Covenant, and if it does not.....as this is revealed by the LIGHT OF THE CROSS, then we "rightly divided" that this verse is not NT Church Doctrice....ect.

God's character traits are eternal there is a reality that is true about the way to know God through embodying character traits that was true before God made any covenants with man, which has been revealed through God's covenants, and which is true regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. For example, God's righteousness is eternal (Psalm 119:142), therefore all of God's righteous laws are also eternal (Psalm 119:160), so anyone who has the goal of knowing God through embodying His righteousness will consider any instructions that God has given to be eternal and cumulatively valid regardless of which covenant they are under. For instance, being a doer of charity was a to embody God's righteousness before God made any covenants with man, so that an eternally valid way to know God. In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in 1 Kings 2:1-3, God taught how to walk in His way through the Torah.

In Deuteronomy 30, it forms the basis for the New Covenant by prophesying about a time when the Israelites would return from exile, God would circumcise their hearts, and they would return to obedience to the Torah, which is what Jeremiah 31:33 and Ezekiel 36:26-27 are in regard to, where God will put the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, and where God will take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, and send His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah. The character traits of God are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the the role of leading us to be the Torah.

New Covenants do not nullify the promises of covenants that have already been ratified, so God's covenants are eternal and cumulatively valid. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it is cumulative with it. One thing can only make another thing obsolete to the extent that it has cumulative functionality, so a computer makes a typewriter obsolete but does not make a plow obsolete, which means that if the New Covenant involved doing something different that were not cumulative with the Mosaic Covenant, then it could not make it obsolete. So the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is cumulatively based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).

The fault that God found with the Mosaic Covenant was not with His righteousness and righteous laws, but rather the fault that He found was with the people for not continuing in their covenant (Hebrews 8:7-9), so the solution to the problem was not for God to do away with His righteousness and righteous laws, but to do away with what was hindering us from obeying them. This is why the New Covenant involves God sending His Son to free us from sin so that we might be free to meet the righteous requirement of the Torah (Romans 8:3-4), God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah, and God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33).

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through is works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah, and the reason why he established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or in order to free us to become doers of what the Torah reveals to be sin, but rather the it still involves following the Torah. The way to know and to believe in the existence of the God who has the character traits that the Torah was given in order to teach how to embody is by following Christ example of obedience to it while the way to refuse to know Him and to reject His existence is forsaking the Torah (Jeremiah 9:1-13). The only way that the New Covenant could involve following a different set of laws would be if it were made with a different god with a different set of character traits, but it is made with the same God with the same character traits and therefore the same eternal and cumulatively valid instructions for how to embody them.

 

[Grailhunter]

All the Apostles have something to offer, once they understood Paul's Gospel and His Doctrine.
Peter became clued in by Acts 10, and by 2nd Peter, at the end of His life He was teaching that Paul's "letters" are equal to the Torah.... they are "SCRIPTURE".
And later, Paul's letters that Peter had access to, became most of the NT Epistles and the Doctrine for the Church.

It looks like Peter was the exception. Most of the Jewish-Christian Apostles were holding to their Jewish back ground and still going to the Temple

 

[Justified]

Actually @Justified, what you have to do with the other Apotle's Letters, and even Jesus's words that were written before His Cross birthed the NT Church, is .......you have to learn to "rightly divided" the Scriptures, as Paul teaches how.....so that you dont wrongly divided them, which is what causes heresy, and 45,000 "chrisitan" denominations in this world.

The Key is simple.........You always look at any verse through the LENS of The Cross.
This means...... "what has CHANGED" since the NT was created and the Body of Christ was birthed by the BLOOD ATONEMENT. ??

A.) SO VERY MUCH has changed.....

Is there anyone here on my Thread who has not yet realized that the NEW Covenant is not titled the "same" convenant"?

ITs NEW<<<<<<<<<<.

A 'NEW" Covenant"..... = new rules in place.

.so, you can't just jump into the bible and use all verses as if they are all doctrine for the Church, as they are NOT.

AA.) Heretics do not understand this fact...

So we look at a verse and we see if it FITS the NEW Covenant.....or not.......We see if it matches what God has created by the New Covenant, and if it does not.....as this is revealed by the LIGHT OF THE CROSS, then we "rightly divided" that this verse is not NT Church Doctrice....ect.

If you have something specific you disagree with in my post, then please point it out, as it isn’t helpful to speak in generalities.

 

[RedLetterJoe]

In my younger days I pounded the table for obedience and personal purity. "Without holiness, no one will see the Lord." Worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness." Etc.

In my later years I have come to realize that holiness is less about perfecting the flesh, much less, and more like being as a set apart virgin awaiting her bridegroom.

 

[David Lamb]

Salvation is Eternal........its not something you do........Its Jesus on The Cross.
HE is Salvation.... and you can't do that for yourself.

See, Salvation is a GIFT from God,......and you dont work for a Gift.... and you can't earn it..........you can only Receive it.. "by faith".

Now after you have received God's Gift of Salvation, who is "CHRIST IN YOU"..... then work and do all you can.....but not to try to stay saved, as if you are trying to stay saved then you have not yet understood The Cross of Christ or why the Blood of Jesus was shed for you.

I agree. If "staying saved" relied on our works, we would never have assurance, and Scripture tells Christians that they can have assurance. For example:

(1Jn 5:13) These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

 

[PeterAndroz]

They all agree in what they say, which is why I quoted them and Paul. You say that “They are not our Apostle or Minister, that role 'today' uniquely belongs to Paul,” yet don’t seem to believe all that Paul says:

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

You don’t seem to understand that Paul still had a custom of speaking to Jews (Acts 13:14-48; 14:1-3; 17:1-3, 10, 17; 18:4-5; 19:8-10) and that Gentiles were converted through Peter before Paul even started, and even then he still spoke with Gentiles (Gal. 2:11-14).

To ignore what Matthew or John or any other NT writer states is to lose context and ignore God’s inspired Scriptures which are useful and beneficial to us in many ways.

All of that suggests you may not understand what is meant by Paul’s claim to be the apostle to the Gentiles. In no way whatsoever does it mean we only follow Paul’s teachings.

Good to see you quoting 2 Tim :)
2 Tim 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Rightly divide -- correctly apply what applies to who.
eg, do we do animal sacrifices today for the remission of sin ?
If not why not if all Scripture applies to us ?

 

[faithhopecharity]

Of course I believe it. It is also another verse that proves your claim, "eternal life is not eternal salvation," to be incorrect. As I posted previously:

Mat 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (ESV)

Do you disagree with Jesus? Was he wrong to use "eternal life" when he clearly means "eternal salvation"?


What about them? I fully agree with those. Why do you want me to respond to those verses when you're not willing to respond to the ones I've posted?

As I stated previously:

Salvation is spoken of in Scripture using three terms: justification (a one-time, past event); sanctification (both a one-time, past event and ongoing process); glorification (at death or after the final judgement). Justification leads to sanctification, which leads to glorification. (HERE)

Justification as it relates to the one-time event, the first step of salvation, is found in definitions 1 and 3. Once a person is justified, they are saved--they have eternal life and eternal salvation. (HERE)


No. A person who is truly saved follows and obeys Jesus because he commanded they do it and because they love him.


I have never heard anyone preach that, although it sounds likely, given the amount of false doctrine and heresy that has been accepted for decades in American Evangelicalism.

the same word in scripture can have more than one meaning

mk 10:30 eternal life

in this sense eternal life refers to eternal salvation

worship has two different meanings in scripture

Lk 4:8 implies adoration due to God alone

Lk 14:10 implies honor
as rom 13:7

both say worship!

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Of course I believe it. It is also another verse that proves your claim, "eternal life is not eternal salvation," to be incorrect. As I posted previously:

Mat 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (ESV)

Do you disagree with Jesus? Was he wrong to use "eternal life" when he clearly means "eternal salvation"?


What about them? I fully agree with those. Why do you want me to respond to those verses when you're not willing to respond to the ones I've posted?

As I stated previously:

Salvation is spoken of in Scripture using three terms: justification (a one-time, past event); sanctification (both a one-time, past event and ongoing process); glorification (at death or after the final judgement). Justification leads to sanctification, which leads to glorification. (HERE)

Justification as it relates to the one-time event, the first step of salvation, is found in definitions 1 and 3. Once a person is justified, they are saved--they have eternal life and eternal salvation. (HERE)


No. A person who is truly saved follows and obeys Jesus because he commanded they do it and because they love him.


I have never heard anyone preach that, although it sounds likely, given the amount of false doctrine and heresy that has been accepted for decades in American Evangelicalism.

why does scripture warn of sin that causes the loss of souls?

(( will never inherit the kingdom of God or attain to eternal salvation ))

mt 25:30
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

(what if they walk after the flesh?)


Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

thks

 

[Justified]

why does scripture warn of sin that causes the loss of souls?

(( will never inherit the kingdom of God or attain to eternal salvation ))

mt 25:30
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

(what if they walk after the flesh?)


Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

thks

Again, what about them? I fully agree with those. Why do you want me to respond to those verses when you're not willing to respond to the ones I've posted?