Which major Christian church in the U.S. is closest to the truth?

[David in NJ]

and now look at it . It has grown MUCH worse as the inclusive god has made great inroads into all houses
and its leaven has swollen them fuller and fu ller , till even now they add the greatest sin of all sins
UNBELIEF . JESUS is now being DENIED outright by even mouth . As
more and more join hands with a lie . A lie brakelite and their new
peace plan has denied the PEACE plan of GOD . WHICH is and was TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
thus to be reconciled to GOD and have peace WITH GOD .
SO conclusion . ONLY an anti christ and many anti christs would b ring in
this interfiath interreligious ecumiencal LIE and cliam ITS THE PEACE PLAN OF GOD .
SOUNDS to me like its A peace plan all right , BUT NOT OF GOD but rather of ..........
Who by PEACE shall DESTROY MANY . that be the dark one .

My-my how the Mother Harlot calls out to Her children to come back home to Her - and they foolishly do!!!

i was raised RCC, but many years ago the LORD Called me to "Come out of Her My people" and by His Grace i surely did.

The CHRIST filled me with the Precious Gift of the Holy Spirit and immediately upon reading the Holy Scriptures, the Spirit of Truth Unveiled my mind to SEE the counterfeits that begin with the RCC and those who follow Her ways.

 

[Grailhunter]

Okay. But I just live in reality. I know the harms that people do to others.


I’ll just continue to share where is needed and I just wanted to clarify on some things.

People read this material and they should not trust in their denominations they go to.


Trust is needed to be toward God and Yeshua… faith in them.

Church yeah it’s all cool and stuff very fancy yaya but people abuse people so I don’t really jive with that.

You are going to run into some abusive people where ever you go. How are you going to get away from that, stay away from people in general.
I am sorry if you have had some bad experiences at churches.
But still you should be active in the Christian community and go to church.
God Bless

 

[Grailhunter]

On baptism — I agree it’s important, powerful, and part of following Christ. But the New Testament never teaches that baptism itself is the source of salvation. The source is Christ, and salvation is received through faith.

Baptism is not the source of salvation.....it is the process of salvation. No scripture will say you can be saved without baptism. The scriptures I sent will prove that.

 

[MatthewG]

You are going to run into some abusive people where ever you go. How are you going to get away from that, stay away from people in general.
I am sorry if you have had some bad experiences at churches.
But still you should be active in the Christian community and go to church.
God Bless

It’s funny you say this and go directly more to this like you were gonna leave me be.

Baptism is not the source of salvation.....it is the process of salvation. No scripture will say you can be saved without baptism. The scriptures I sent will prove that.

If all you want to do is be right leave me be be right.

I understand what you’re saying, but Scripture doesn’t describe baptism as “the process of salvation.” Salvation is always tied to Christ Himself and received through faith, not through a ritual.

You said no scripture shows someone being saved without baptism, but Paul separates the two when he says, “Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel” (1 Corinthians 1:17). If baptism were the saving act, that statement wouldn’t make sense.

Jesus also said, “He who believes has eternal life” (John 6:47).
Belief is the foundation. Baptism comes afterward as part of following Him, not as the cause of salvation.

Titus 3:5 says the same thing:
“He saved us, not by works done by us in righteousness, but according to His mercy.”

And the thief on the cross is another example. Jesus told him, “Today you will be with Me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). He wasn’t baptized, yet Jesus declared his salvation.

So I’m not denying baptism is meaningful — it absolutely is. But Scripture doesn’t teach that baptism itself is the saving force. Christ is.

 

[MatthewG]

Grail, I’m going to step back from this conversation. I don’t enjoy going back and forth like this, so I’m choosing to leave it here. Take care.

Anyone reading what’s been shared can see that no denomination holds the complete truth. People will come to their own conclusions.

 

[Grailhunter]

Paul even said, “Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel” (1 Corinthians 1:17).
If baptism were the mechanism of salvation, that statement wouldn’t make sense.

Why did Paul say that?

I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not remember baptizing anyone else. For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.” 1st Corinthians 1:14-17

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Paul’s Express Reason: Guarding Against Personal Allegiance
Corinthian believers were aligning themselves with charismatic leaders—“I follow Paul… Apollos… Cephas… Christ” (1 Colossians 1:12). In a Greco-Roman patron-client culture, the administrator of a rite could become a status-granting “patron.” By minimizing the number he personally baptized, Paul removed any basis for a “Pauline party” claiming spiritual superiority through the prestige of being baptized by the apostle himself

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus also said, “He who believes has eternal life” (John 6:47).
Belief is the foundation — baptism comes afterward as part of walking with Him.

There are a lot of general statements that faith is the primary condition of salvation
But how many times are we told to be baptized.
Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46

 

[Grailhunter]

As for gathering — meeting with other believers is good, but the New Testament never makes a building or a system the requirement. The early believers met in homes, outdoors, and wherever they could. The point was fellowship, not an institution. Jesus said, “Where two or three are gathered in My name, I am there” (Matthew 18:20).

Correct, but they gathered and worshiped the Lord together.

 

[MatthewG]

Correct, but they gathered and worshiped the Lord together.

Good bye. I’m done. Yeah I been saying that stuff over and over and over again. You just kept denying me the right to have opinions. Or whatever. Leave me be.

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct, but they gathered and worshiped the Lord together.

They worshipped WHO together . THE LORD .
And now a word
What did GOD tell even the jews that could sing praises like king david could
YET embraced their sin , other gods
who walked in the depths of their own depravity
And yet would come together , gather as His people and in HIS temple
and yet DID NOT the things HE said and they did evil .
THIS people honors me with their lips but their heart is far from me .
Yes its time again to warn all to get out of the houses
and buildings of christendom that have cast out the words of GOD and of Truth
and embrace a love that never came of GOD but of the world .
The time to flee the inclusive god is now . It has led some to the lie already
and soon many more will e mbrace its lie of the interreligous interfatih dialgoue .
IT will not correct sins , it says THAT is judgy , that is mean
And it allows their sins to remain upon them and now even UNBLEIEF to remain .
And it calls that love and loving . OH but it is a liar and the father of all lies that inclusive love god is my friend .
TO many they simply see it as love , they cling to the teets of its harlots milk
and suckle down deep the milk of her fornication that has led them to rebellion to GOD .
And they wipe their mouths and say , WE HAVE DONE NO WRONG
we are delivered to DO these things . Get e very man woman and child out and far away
from her ecumenical call . And let none ever once look back .

 

[Grailhunter]

I understand what you’re saying, but Scripture doesn’t describe baptism as “the process of salvation.” Salvation is always tied to Christ Himself and received through faith, not through a ritual.

Again, how many times are we told to be baptized. The scriptures define the process.

Matthew 3:13-16 ESV / 91 helpful votes​

Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;

Acts 19:2 ESV / 86 helpful votes​

And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”

Acts 19:1-6 ESV / 86 helpful votes​

And it happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the inland country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples. And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.” And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. ...

Hebrews 6:1 ESV / 85 helpful votes​

Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,

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Continued.....​

 

[Grailhunter]

Romans 6:3-5 ESV / 85 helpful votes​

Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.

Luke 7:29 ESV / 85 helpful votes​

(When all the people heard this, and the tax collectors too, they declared God just, having been baptized with the baptism of John,

Acts 19:3 ESV / 84 helpful votes​

And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.”

John 10:40 ESV / 84 helpful votes​

He went away again across the Jordan to the place where John had been baptizing at first, and there he remained.

John 4:1-2 ESV / 84 helpful votes​

Now when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John (although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only his disciples),

Mark 1:8-10 ESV / 84 helpful votes​

I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove.

Romans 6:1-6 ESV / 83 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.

 

[Grailhunter]

Good bye. I’m done. Yeah I been saying that stuff over and over and over again. You just kept denying me the right to have opinions. Or whatever. Leave me be.

God Bless

 

[amigo de christo]

There are a lot of general statements that faith is the primary condition of salvation
But how many times are we told to be baptized.
Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46

Why do you call ME LORD LORD and do NOT do what i say .
And now a word .
Interrelgious dialgoue and its so called christendom leaders
Said aloud to all false religoins and christains
HEY we all come to God in different ways , the GOD of the christian is no better than your god .
IT denied
THESE WORDS . I told you that ye shall DIE IN YOUR SINS , FOR IF YOU BELIEVE NOT that I AM HE
then YOU SHALL DIE in your sins .
ANY GUESSES on who said that . JESUS DID . now get every man woman , child , donkey , pets
outta anything ecumiencal . That house is coming down ON JESUS day .

 

[MatthewG]

it’s more than just a little bit of wording

When it comes to baptism.

Abiding in Jesus is the whole process of building up the spiritual person inside. It’s not about outward rituals. It’s about staying connected to the Vine so the Father can prune, cut back, and shape us into the image of Christ. Jesus said, “Without Me you can do nothing” (John 15:5). That’s the foundation.

And the cutting back — the pruning — only happens when we remain in Him. “Every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit” (John 15:2). That’s the spiritual growth process, not water baptism.

The only baptism that produces new life is the baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire, and that only comes when a person truly believes that Jesus died, was buried, and rose again. Scripture says, “He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11).

When someone believes the resurrection, they spiritually die with Him, are buried with Him, and rise again with Him. Romans 6:3–4 says we are “baptized into His death” and “raised to walk in newness of life.” That’s the real transformation — the inward resurrection life of the Spirit.

And none of this happens apart from abiding in Christ and walking by the Spirit. “If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit” (Galatians 5:25). Everything flows from that.

 

[MatthewG]

it’s more than just a little bit of wording

When it comes to baptism.

Abiding in Jesus is the whole process of building up the spiritual person inside. It’s not about outward rituals. It’s about staying connected to the Vine so the Father can prune, cut back, and shape us into the image of Christ. Jesus said, “Without Me you can do nothing” (John 15:5). That’s the foundation.

And the cutting back — the pruning — only happens when we remain in Him. “Every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit” (John 15:2). That’s the spiritual growth process, not water baptism.

The only baptism that produces new life is the baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire, and that only comes when a person truly believes that Jesus died, was buried, and rose again. Scripture says, “He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11).

When someone believes the resurrection, they spiritually die with Him, are buried with Him, and rise again with Him. Romans 6:3–4 says we are “baptized into His death” and “raised to walk in newness of life.” That’s the real transformation — the inward resurrection life of the Spirit.

And none of this happens apart from abiding in Christ and walking by the Spirit. “If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit” (Galatians 5:25). Everything flows from that.

So going to church and being put under water doesn’t mean anything to a heart that hasn’t been changed. Jesus said the Pharisees honored God with their lips while their hearts were far from Him (Matthew 15:8). That’s what empty religion looks like.

A person isn’t saved just because they did the outward things. Salvation is the inward work of God through faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Romans 10:9 says it plainly: believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead.

You’re not once‑saved‑always‑saved just because you went through the motions. Jesus said only the one who “abides in Me” bears fruit (John 15:5). And He warned that branches that do not remain in Him are cut off (John 15:6). That’s not automatic security — that’s a relationship that must be lived out.

Real salvation produces a new heart, a new Spirit, and a new walk. Ezekiel 36:26–27 says God gives a new heart and puts His Spirit within us so we can walk in His ways. That’s the evidence.

Water doesn’t change you. A building doesn’t change you. The Spirit of God changes you when you believe the gospel and die and rise with Christ (Romans 6:3–4).

 

[amigo de christo]

God Bless

let us look again , WHY DO YOU CALL ME LORD and yet DO NOT do the things which i command .
GO YE INTO ALL the world and preach the gospel to all ,
he who BELEIVES and is baptized shall be s aved but he who BELEIVES NOT shall be damned .
Yoo hoo
THAT AINT the gospel i seen interfaith interreligious dialgoue preach to all the false religoins
nor even to christendom .
IT LIED to them all . LIED , i say , LIED to them all . ONLY an anti christ would have done such a thing .
And it is WHY all must flee from anything ecumeincal now .
They lead this people and the false religoins to THE LIE that all serve the SAME GOD
and that we must now b e one for world peace .
ANY peace plan that DENIES the dire need to beleive on JESUS , lies to all who came to hear this talk ,
OH IT AINT coming of GOD . It cometh of another who by this inclusive god
will lead them all to the day of their own destruction and perdtion of ungodly men and of all who made and loved A LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

HE who recieves HIS testimony has set to HIS seal that GOD IS TRUE .
He who believes not the testimony that GOD gave of the SON , CALLS GOD A LIAR .
reader , do take note that did not say OH THEY SERVING GOD IN DIVERSE WAYS . IT SAID THEY CALL HIM A LIAR .
interfaith is LYING to them all now and will leade them to the LIE .
And NO LIE is of the TRUTH .
And here is TRUTH .
FOR this reason was i born and for this cause came i in to the world
to TESTIFY of THE TRUTH , all who are of THE TRUTH come TO ME . not budda or any other false religon .
I AM the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE , no man comes to THE FATHER but by ME .
HE who beleives that JESUS is the Christ , the son of GOD has life
but he who beleives not has not life but the wrath of GOD abides on him .
Get everyone outta the UNITY UNITY lets be one ecumeincal intefaith realm NOW . and let none look back .

 

[MatthewG]

If the question is “Which major Christian church in the U.S. is closest to the truth?”, the honest answer is:

None of them hold the truth perfectly, and none of them own it.
The truth is not a brand, a building, or a denomination — it’s the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Every major denomination in the U.S. teaches:

• some things that are biblical
• some things that are traditional
• some things that developed centuries after the apostles


So the real question isn’t “Which church is closest to the truth?”
It’s “Which churches stay closest to Scripture without adding requirements God never gave?”

What Scripture actually points to

Jesus never said:

• “Join the right denomination”
• “Find the perfect church structure”
• “Follow the institution that gets the most doctrines right”


He said:

• Follow Me
• Keep My commandments
• Love one another
• Abide in My word


And He said:

“Where two or three are gathered in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”

That’s not a denomination.
That’s discipleship.

So what is “closest to the truth”?

Any group — large or small — that:

• teaches Christ crucified and risen
• preaches repentance and new life
• holds Scripture as the final authority
• avoids adding man‑made requirements
• walks in the Spirit
• loves God and neighbor
• keeps Jesus’ teachings


That’s the closest thing to the truth.

Some churches get certain doctrines right.
Others get certain practices right.
But no major U.S. denomination matches the simplicity and purity of first‑century Christianity.

The truth is not a system.
It’s the Good Shepherd.

 

[Brakelite]

No major U.S. denomination is “closest to the truth.” The truth isn’t found in a church brand — it’s found in Christ and in the teachings He gave through the apostles. Every denomination has some truth and some tradition mixed in. The closest thing to the truth is any group of believers who follow Scripture itself without adding man‑made requirements.

You are correct, the Truth is found in Christ. He is the Truth. And Christ is in His people. Where are His people?